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Old 12-09-2013, 06:31 PM
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BTW: One of these days I am going to get you to try a fabric covering job. I think you would nail it your 1st time out.
Later!!
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Old 12-09-2013, 06:40 PM
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Do you have an airfoil profile(s) for a sanding guide?
Old 12-09-2013, 10:16 PM
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Vince I know you are good and the profile will be as good as the rest of it but I'm curious why you wouldn't just make quater ribs for both sides and cover with 1/16" balsa skins like the wings. Just picking your brain which is full of good ideas and you picked the hard way.

Love watching you work.

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Old 12-09-2013, 10:41 PM
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I have to add something, I have done what you are doing and while you may know how to go about it I'm going to add this anyway. With a root and tip profile pattern your good to go but a flat bar only sands flat spots and are only good to rough in the shape, Then I use a shorter bar (6") and mark radial lines 3 different places and sand the rest radially gradually moving down the foil. you will see the lines start to go away and when they are all gone you are nearly done. You can find the high spots with a straight edge mark them and finish it up with 220 grit on the long bar sanding in the same manner. Heck you probably got it done by now, maybe someone will get something from this.

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Old 12-10-2013, 03:51 AM
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Jim, the roll of sandpaper that you can see in the photos comes in 3 different grits (80, 150, 220), and they all have the adhesive already applied to them. You simply unroll to the length needed and stick right on your sanding bar. The width of each roll is slighly wider than the bar and will need to be trimmed to fit. Very convienient and quick...

Anthony, one of these planes I will try it, but not on this one as I am trying to keep the weight down to a minimum. UltraCote (gasp) will be used on the wings and all control surfaces. The fuse, tail fin and flat stabilizer will get glassed and painted.

As far as the profile on the flat stabilizer goes, I am not using any type of template, I am doing it by eye and am trying to follow the profile as indicated in the plans. Because of the way this is constructed I could make a tip template but not one for the root. Leroy, I had considered doing what you had suggested, but that would have required me to re-size the wood used to make this stabilizer. I can't say that I have ever done it this way before, and that exactly the reason that I decided I would go ahead and pull the trigger and do it this way. It is a lot of work, but I have the leading edges up to the chord completed and I am happy with how it came out.

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Old 12-10-2013, 05:50 PM
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Oh Look at you. Almost done why we're all flapping our jowls. Blah blah blah... you may continue to wow us now
Old 12-15-2013, 12:33 PM
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Well my plans were to spend the entire day in the workshop, but mother nature had different plans for me. Spent half of the day either on one end of a snow shovel or snow blower...

I did manage to build the two elevator halves as you can see. I decided to skin them with 1/16" balsa for added strength. 1/2 oz. lead weight was epoxied in each counterbalance tip. As soon as the epoxy sets I will be able to skin the opposite side of the elevator. Once that is completed I can continue the sanding of the airfoil on the trailing edge of the stabilizer...
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Old 12-15-2013, 01:08 PM
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Looks good VJ!

Hey, I know what you mean about the weather getting in the way. I had to ride my bike today it was so nice. Suppose to be 63°!
Old 12-15-2013, 02:47 PM
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Vincent this may be a stupid question but do you hinge those and balance for neutral at level?
Old 12-15-2013, 03:21 PM
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Not stupid Robert. Theoretically, you are correct. The amount of weight that you add should bring the control surface to the neutral position when hinged, however the weight that I have added is per the spec on the plans. These don't however get the elevators neutral, more weight is needed which I am not adding...

You're an evil man there David!
Old 12-15-2013, 03:36 PM
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Buah-ha-ha-ha-ha! Sorry, couldn't help myself!

BTW, suppose to be near 70° on Tuesday! Ouch!

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Old 12-16-2013, 07:37 AM
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I for one am ready for some skiing. Thats my first love. We only ended up with 6in here so it was a quick cleanup, but it sure looks pretty right now.
Old 12-16-2013, 01:14 PM
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I put the skis on my super decathlon and had a blast. I, for one, don't mind the snow all that much.
Old 12-16-2013, 01:42 PM
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Where did you find the weights that fit so nicley or did you make them?
Outstanding job VJ.
Old 12-16-2013, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by VincentJ
Not stupid Robert. Theoretically, you are correct. The amount of weight that you add should bring the control surface to the neutral position when hinged, however the weight that I have added is per the spec on the plans. These don't however get the elevators neutral, more weight is needed which I am not adding...

You're an evil man there David!

I bought 1/2 pound of #7 lead shot several years ago to solve problems like I see others having balancing control surfaces and to stop eating planes to flutter.

What I would do, since we already know the surface is 'tail heavy' is leave a 1/8" slot open on the counterbalance beam to be filled in after the rest of the sheeting and sanding is done. Then put the hinges in temporarily and fix the hole with more weight and seal it. To do that, mix up some epoxy and dribble it in and then put shoot into the slot until the surface was level. Oh, another 'trick' is to estimate the needed weight before you start by testing.

The issue here is that the lower the 'out of balance' the less the chance for servo destroying flutter to set in. I really really hate it when flutter eats something I have spent hours building, and it HAS happened! For some nasty reason it always seems to bite me on the elevator circuit. One lasted a couple of months and another really good scale job went in on the maiden for flutter...everyone there heard it.
Old 12-17-2013, 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by maekju
Where did you find the weights that fit so nicley or did you make them?
Outstanding job VJ.
Maekju, the weight that I used are standard stick-on lead wheel weights that I use to balance tires in my shop. Since the space in the counterbalance was so narrow, I took a a single edge razor blade and split them in half and stacked them to get the required 1/2 ounce. Before placing them in location, I did remove the double sided tape on the weights and epoxied them into place.

Jim, nice tip on your method of controlling flutter. I like the idea of leaving a slot open!
Old 12-18-2013, 07:55 AM
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Thought you guys may be interested in seeing this... http://vimeo.com/34480178
Old 12-18-2013, 04:40 PM
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Awful quiet here, you guys still with me?

Much work has been done to the horizontal stabilizer, specifically the airfoil shaping of it. I pretty much have it where I want it give or take 1/32". The elevator halves have been sheeted and are awaiting sanding ,hinging and for the 45 degree angle to be shaped into the leading edges.

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I am here checking in several times a day. Just don't want to clutter up the thread with at-a-boys everytime. While I'm typing, fantastic work there Vincent.
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And by the way, to an experienced eye the first photo shows everything. LOL!
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Thanks Robert, not looking for the praise, just like the visit... you know what I mean!

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Old 12-18-2013, 04:58 PM
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I'm with ya! At-a-boy VJ!
Old 12-18-2013, 07:11 PM
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Well I guess that video puts an end to the argument that 3d flying isn't real flying. Are you going to have smoke?
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No smoke Cliff.
Old 12-19-2013, 06:58 AM
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but it's so cool. Oh well you can always add it later. Your project is looking good, I have been in a bit of a slump with my stuff right now, I hope to get back it and finish it after all the Christmas rush is over. All this early cold weather and snow has my heating bill going into overdrive

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