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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Well thats great news, thanks! I'll check the website. Roger
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Update on my Bucker. Started applying graphics this week and I am very happy with the choice. I couldnt decide whether to paint or use vinyl. As this is the beginning of my third winter on this project I finally opted for vinyl and it is working out great. All surface detail is captured well under the vinyl. It gives me hope that I will indeed start the GA tiger moth this year! I will post some pics when I get the bucker wrapped up.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Looking forward to the photos.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Question about Documentation.

    I am just starting the build of a 29% Bucker Jungmeister. Will reduce the 33% Gary Allen plans as the 33% size is a bit large for me.

    Was wondering what source you used for the 3-Views and any detailed pictures and such of the airframe over and above what is in this great thread. Was there any particular web sites that you found useful? Were there any books that supplied useful info.?

    Have used Bobs Aircraft Documentation 3 Views and walkarounds in the past and have been pleased.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Ray, here is a 3-view. I didn't need it because I built from Gary's planes. I googled Bucker Jungmeister and got a lot of hits. I found a guy in California with a beautiful restored Jungmeister. He sent me a lot of photos that I used to build mine. I was not looking for scale documentation because I do not compete in scale. I just fly for fun.

    Here is a photo of his new Siemens spare engine for the Jungie.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Thanks for the feedback and info.

    Nice picture of the engine.

    I am looking forward to the build.

    Cheers

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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Here are some photos of Roger's completed Jungmeister.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Thats a beautiful airplane. Be nice to hear how it flies. I am starting to install the wings on mine, maybe it will be done in a couple of years. Things are kind of slow now being as I don't work on it when the shop temp is less than 40 which is not uncommon around here. Hope to have the wing install and rigging done by spring.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Thanks for posting those Ken, thanks for the compliment Charlie. I will post up when I maiden it this spring. Still need to get the all up weight and run in the engine, check CG and such before maiden. This was a great build. Thanks all.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Happy Holidays Guys !!

    It's been two years since I cut my kit and I can't believe how the time has passed.

    I'm getting back to it this winter and have a few questions for Roger and his Liesel Bach scheme.

    I was specifically interested in which covering was used, as well as the type of paint and colors/paint codes that were used.

    Additionally, I was interested in your graphics source as I don't recall reading it in the forum. I think you mentioned a vinyl application instead of paint. Who produced the graphics and how were they applied?

    And finally, I believe you went with the G62 as Ken did initially? I was toying with the idea of the Zenoah twin 80, although may go with the G62 as has been discussed on this forum.

    Hope to hear from you shortly in this regard.

    All the best.

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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Gorden, here are the latest photos that Roger sent for me to post. That is one outstanding Jungie.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Thanks again Ken for posting those for me. And thanks for the compliment.

    Gordon, I used Sig Koverall with three coats of Polycrylic satin as a dope to seal the weave. It has one coat of Krylon grey primer then Krylon semi-gloss white coated to cover. I have used the Koverall/Polycrylic for the past 5 years now and its my standard for WWI and golden age/civilian models. The Krylon worked well and was very easy to apply on the model. Just watch out for the bugs of July!!! The nose panels were done with the primer over chart-pac tapes method then I used Krylon dark grey for all the metal panels. I dont know how authentic the grey color is as some of my documentation seemed to show clear laquered panels but like most I dont compete and I do my own thing. The vinyl and artwork was done by a fellow club member friend of mine. He has a graphic design program and a vinyl graphics/mask cutter that allowed him to develope the art work for my documentation which required some creative license on my part with what I could find but I think I got it pretty close. The vinyl is .3 mm and went down over the rib stitching and other surface details very well. I am indebted to my friend and owe him the cut parts for Gary's 30% moth when I cut my own. I have a stockG62 in the model now. I checked the CG before taking the wings off and I am right on where the plans suggest so I am very happy not to be adding lead to the bird. Best of luck on yours. This thread has been a tremendous help with mine not to mention some good motivation over a lengthy build. Imagine, Ken built two of the things! Roger
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Roger VERRRRRRRRY NICE JUG!! Is this a scale paint scheme on your plane?
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    Thanks StefanP, as far as I know it is as scale as I could get it. Google Liesel Bach to see what I worked off of. A buddy of mine sent me a link to a German site where another guy just finished one the same way.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Hi Roger,

    Thanks for the follow up on the graphics... The color scheme is striking and very well done, as is the rest of the plane...I was asking about the graphics in the event they were commercially available. I will have a look around at other color schemes, alhough Ken's classic yellow is very nice indeed....

    I'll be in touch as I progress slowly through my build although time is tight with an 18 month old.....as respects the Tiger, I may follow your lead and order a copy of that plan as I've always admired the Tiger myself....

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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Gordon, this is still one of my favorite Jungie color schemes. The plane is part of the collection at the Duxford Museum in Duxford England.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    LG1 is a great looking jungie for sure. You dont really realize how small this AC is until you see someone sitting in the cockpit with the door down. YR-PAX was my other choice when I was building mine.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    I need to introduce myself. I'm 62 years old and have been building models since control line at age 11. I started R/C in 1972 after a bad motorcycle accident. Built my first kit then, a Sr. Falcon. As an aviation buff my R/C has been pretty much scale oriented. Not for contests but for flying. I have drifted in and out of R/C over the years and I now find myself drifting back in. All the while I have been pretty immersed in GA aircraft since getting my pilots license in 1975. I have over 3,000 hours nearly all of which have been in classic taildraggers. The exception is about 500 hours in Lake Amphibians. I've owned 28 airplanes and my current plane is a 1953 Cessna 180, the 19th one built! I have a commercial license single engine land and sea with instrument privileges. I also hold an A&P mechanic certificate wiith Inspection Authorization. I tell you this not for bragging but as background for what follows.

    I've always been a Bucker enthusiast. I was lucky enough to live near a Jungman owner who was restoring one of those that were imported in the 70's. I stumbled upon am 8/10ths scale Bucker Jungmeister homebuilt called a Jungster at one point and was lucky enough to have bought it. Imagine the finest craftsmanship on a scale plan and that's what I bought. It weighed 500 lbs empty and had a 150 hp Lycoming in it. No starter or electrical system to keep it light. It was very powerful. The first flight in that airplane had to be solo. What a scary thought that was. But then I had a friend with a 2 place Eagle who gave me some time and I also had time in a Great Lakes so all turned out well. But the feeling of pushing that throttle forward the first time is one I'll never forget! My son flies A-10's so I know he knows. The Jungster was the finest flying airplane I've ever flown. I swear you could just think about what you wanted to do and it would do it with a feather touch. Not touchy but just a perfect light feel on the stick. Someday I'll dig out a photo of the Jungster and scan it to insert here if you like. But now back to models.

    In the mid-80's I built a Platt Jungmeister 1/4 scale. I flew it a bit, I think with an OS91 2-stroke but when we moved to AZ I was in 3000 ft elevation and noticed the lack of lift. Also the wings were twisting so it wasn't a clean airplane to fly. I hung it up but have always wanted to get back to it and fix it right. Then I came across a Pica Jungmeister kit and started that instead. ( I couldn't bear to pull the beautiful cover off the Platt ). I made the airfoil a little thicker for the Pica and added 3/16" to the cord. At that point my enthsiasm waned so I put it aside. Meanwhile I built a Goldberg Extra, 1/4 scale Supercu tow airplane, some Gliders, a Hog Bipe (by far the nicest kit I've ever assembled) and a few others.

    The years seem to go by fast but getting back into R/C and reading this thread I want to get going on the Pica Bucker again. I have dreams of building a mold for the fuselage along the way. I think it would be easy to make them out of glass and maybe even lighter than the balsa.. I already have molds for both cowls. Then, since it's not for contests I'm thinking of foam cored wings. I know, it wouldn't look right. An alternate is to have a kit cutter package wing kits for it. All this would come after I get the wood fuse out of the mold and finish the Pica kit. All these great ambitions...

    There is a great book "Die Buckers" by Erwin Konig ( ISBN 3-9800388-0-5 1979) Mine is the original German version but I'm sure it was also published in english. At over 400 pages and a ton of photos it offers a lot of alternatives for scale documentation. Also there is The Profile Issue 222 by Profile Publications Ltd all about the Jungmann.

    My Platt model shown here on the rocks at my home in AZ is in the trim Scheme of Count Aresti from back in the 60's I believe. It doesn't show but the top of the upper wing is red and white sunburst. Wild but attractive don't you think? Coverite and paint. I don't use film.

    Sorry if I rambled on too much!

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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Dave, I'm so impressed.

    Nice looking Jungmeister also.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Hey Ken
    My copy of the latest IMAA magazine came in yesterday.
    That has to be your "Meister" on page 57 in the report on the Bomber Field 2008 event.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Hi Kevin,

    Yes it is and that is my Super Decathlon beside it. How is your Jungie coming along?

    My new 42% SD is now in the covering stage. You can see the thread here.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Ken

    I have started the build of a Gary Allen 33% reduced to 29%. Cutting all the parts myself. Working on the fuselage and about ready to join the two halfs together. My question is concerning the Cabane.

    I have looked thru your build of the Bucker as well as the thread on the WACO YNF-5 . For the Bucker you used the 1/8" x 0.5" Aluminum per the plans and on the WACO bent 5/32" music wire for the Cabanes. I assume that on the WACO you later faired in the music wire with balsa and glassed it. On my previous 1/4 scale Jim Pepino Albatros DVA I used GTM struts for the Landing gear and 5/32 wire for the cabanes with balsa fairing and glassed it.

    What I was thinking of for the BUCKER is building the top wing in one piece and using GTM #2001 strut material for the Cabanes and the struts. The lower ends of the Cabanes would plug into brass tubing in the fuselage, see picture below from my Albatros, and on the top would use a short piece of 5/32" wire and solder on a wing support similar to the Albatros and attached the top wing with with metal socket head screws. It does mean more work I suppose setting it up at the field.

    My question is that using the GTM #2001 strut material for the Cabanes I suspect I should reinforce it internally with 1/8" 6060 aluminum.

    I also purchased some of the 6061 1/16" Aluminum forthe fittings.

    Would be interested in your opinion.

    Preview does not seem to work so not sure the pictures came thru.


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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Hi Ray,

    I'm having a little problem trying to understand why you would want to change such a simple and straight forward installation on the cabane struts. On the full scale Jungie the struts don't seem to be streamlined but have a small amount of rounding on the front and back edge. See photos. I used the GTM 2001 for the N struts on my Pepino Waco. They would be plenty stout without reinforcement for your cabane struts. However, I think they would split if you should flatten the end and bend them. I realize that you didn't mention that.

    The way the 1/8" x 1/2" aluminum mounts is well thought out with the upper wing pockets and fuselage recesses. Since you have reduced the plans it seems that the 2001 with it's front to back dimension of 0.69" would look a little large.

    If you are trying to achieve true scale with this plane then you have to address the issue of using bell cranks on the top and bottom ailerons with pull-pull cables between them.

    Good luck with what ever you choose.
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    RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister

    Thanks Ken

    Looking at the plans again and the pictures you provided it will look more scale having the cabanes recessed into the fuselage using the 1/8 " x 1/2" aluminum. Likely stronger also. Why go looking for trouble. :-)

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