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Is there an ARF of this?
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I enjoyed your pictures very much. You are doing a terrific job. Keep us posted with the progress.
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Beautiful Job on the YMF. Makes my 1/5th scale look puny by comparison. I am building a 1/4 scale version based on the Pica kit (blown up) this winter. Looks as though I'm going to need to look into the Barth version instead. Keep up the good work.
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I've got one of Peter's 1/4 scale YMF which is similar in construction to your 1/3 scale. It's about 3 days away from being ready to fly, but it won't fly until spring unless we get some warm weather in Minnesota. There is another thread that SoCalSal started on the 1/3 scale. Steve's been extremely helpful answering question for me.
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ORIGINAL: dick Hanson Is there an ARF of this? Nope...... |
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ORIGINAL: dick Hanson Is there an ARF of this? Dick, I have the Genesis version sold by RCShowcase. It is a much faster build but not as detailed. Once finished it is hard to find the differences. Harry |
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Hi Redcesar,
Thanks you read my mind. just bought this kit on ebay and it arrived last week. Please post or send me as many photos as you will take. I will be happy to give you my private email. I would be interested in a few questions. I have still to do my basic research before I can begin to build. Which Waco will you copy and where diod yopu get some detailing info (or a real one to look at !) What wmotor ill you put at the business end and what decisions have you made about control surfaces, servos and linkages. 1/3 scale is a bit bigger than I am used to although I have built many kits up to 1/4 scale. Any help would be very gratefully received and by the way your build looks first class, thanks, Phil (Barlingbomber) |
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Phil,
If you want some pictures of a full size one, I can send you some of the one I got to ride in last winter. Just PM me your email address. Chuck |
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LOOKS GREAT, did you change the tail feather mounting system? I have built the same kit and I noticed some changes in your construction of the rear area. Anyhow you are doing a great job on it. Wait till you fly it, so easy to fly and a crowd stopper as well.
I flew mine at a local Veterans Day Fly in and took the "Peoples Choice Award" . This was the first contest I have entered in ever. A viedo (kind of poor) is posted on this web-site of that days flying. I was trying to do some 3D flying with it but the Waco is not to good at this and either am I. Keep up the good work, it is worth it. Steve:D |
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Hallo Steve,
Yes i now about your "Peoples Choice Award", i have seen the pics from a good friend and flying mate of mine "Kris" he lives a few blocks away from me.. He show me your pics and video and i must say it works verry stimulating to finisch the Waco before spring. I have also your pics in a dir. and used them a lot for help me out. And for the tail, yes it was not transport freindly so a make some mods, i send them also to Peter Barth and he give me some advice and points of taking care. Oke Steve i will s.o.'s best regards to Kris. Cesar |
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ORIGINAL: Barlingbomber Hi Redcesar, Thanks you read my mind. just bought this kit on ebay and it arrived last week. Please post or send me as many photos as you will take. I will be happy to give you my private email. I would be interested in a few questions. I have still to do my basic research before I can begin to build. Which Waco will you copy and where diod yopu get some detailing info (or a real one to look at !) What wmotor ill you put at the business end and what decisions have you made about control surfaces, servos and linkages. 1/3 scale is a bit bigger than I am used to although I have built many kits up to 1/4 scale. Any help would be very gratefully received and by the way your build looks first class, thanks, Phil (Barlingbomber) Okee i wil keep up with pictures, at the moment not so much because i am sanding all the parts i have build so far. I will make mine like this one....see pic I wil put at every control surface a high torque servo directly with a short pushrot. For the the elevator i will build them behind the fairing in the tail. Also in the wings for each ailleron a servo. Only for the rudder i wil take a big scale servo HS-755HB for example with a close loop wirring system. If you have questions mail me [email protected] or ask here. Try this link for the originals http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...nct_entry=true Regards Cesar. |
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Hi Cesar,
That's a lot of sanding! Thanks very much fôr the info. I see another builder has the ailerons hooked up to a high torque servo in the lower wing only. What are your thoughts on that since you have chosen to put one on each? You may be aware but Peter Barth now puts a plan for your tail mod in the instructions althoug he has a disclaimer on its reliability since he has never built or flown the mod. Looks solid though and probably makes transport easier. He suggests another mod for removable undercarriage too, I might try that one so the model fits in the back of the station wagon, best regards and keep me posted, Phil |
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Hi redcesar.................Nice work of your Waco build. I have built the Pica version but in the 1/6th scale. But I'm anxious to build the 1/5th. although I don't have that kit yet. It was quite a challange and enjoyable to build. I test flown the Waco in 2005, and it flew quite nicely with no bad habits. I did'nt build it as a full scale. I ommited the wheel pants and had the power plant mounted vertical. This was my first Waco so I was not spending the time to build it as scale, it would be a shame to auger in something like this.
I have some difficulties getting the "WACO CLASSIC" decals for the tail. I have searched around without luck. I would like to have some made in vynal if that is the best way to go. Do you know of any source that supplies Waco Classic decals ? The 1/6 is the baby compared to the one you are building. It is a very enjoyable flyer. It has a Saito .91 4 stroke. The covering is 21st century fabric. Charles. |
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Hi Charles,
Nice to hear that your model is flying without any bad habits and good luck with the building of the 1/5 scale Waco. I was thinking if you have the layout of the decal in jpg or cdr format maybe you can send it to a printer that can print it on sticker material, i have done that before. Cesar. |
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Cesar,
I wish I would have put the servos in the tail, I had to add 18oz to the tail to balance out the G62. I haven't maidened mine yet, and won't now until spring. Two weeks were spent trying to identify the source of interference which now looks like it was the electronic ignition going out. Should have the engine back this week. Phil, I used separate servos on each aileron for reliability. While I was building the plane, I had a connection come apart on a servo on another biplane that also had four aileron servos. If that plane only had two servos, the plane probably wouldn't still be alive. Garthwood Attached is a picture of the Waco Classic decal that came with the Peter Barth kit. I would think you could get someone to make a decal from the picture. I can email you a higher resolution picture if you want. Just PM me with your email address if you are interested. |
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Hi Phil,
ORIGINAL: Barlingbomber I see another builder has the ailerons hooked up to a high torque servo in the lower wing only. What are your thoughts on that since you have chosen to put one on each? Peter Barth give you two choices, with two servo's in the lower wing you must instal contra weight attached to the four ailerons. And with a strong servo for each aileron is that not necessary. ORIGINAL: Barlingbomber You may be aware but Peter Barth now puts a plan for your tail mod in the instructions althoug he has a disclaimer on its reliability since he has never built or flown the mod. The mod that you mean in the manual is not the mod i have done, so as Barth suggest is it one peace with the elevator and rudder in one, that is 110 cm wide. I have made, so as you can see on the pictures, only the two elevators removable, the vertical rudder stays on the fuselage. Regards, Cesar |
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Hi Chuck,
ORIGINAL: Chuck Wish I would have put the servos in the tail, I had to add 18oz to the tail to balance out the G62. Have you build also the waco 33% from Barth? If so than i am amazed that you with the use of a Zenoah 62 must put weight in the tail. 18 OZ that is 510 Gr. extra in the tail that is a lot. Is it the 33% Waco from Barth? Cesar |
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Cesar,
I built the 1/4 scale Barth Waco. The G62 was converted to EI otherwise there would have been more weight in the tail. To accommodate the weight, I built a platform under the turtle deck that the 18oz weight was attached to. I used buckshot and epoxy to make a rectangular shape, and screwed it to the platform. (In case you don't know buckshot are small lead pellets used in shotgun shells.) Chuck |
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Chuck.............Thanks for your help. I have sent you a PM with my email address, would like to have the decal in better resolution.
Thanks again. Cesar ..........Thanks for your suggestion, I'll probably do that. Chuck is kind enough to send me a decal to work with. I will continue to watch this thread regarding your Waco building. I've noticed that you modified the stab, you are using aluminum tubes to attach the stab. Can you explain how you you were able to keep the stab incidence constant ?. I am not familiar with the Peter Barth's Waco plans. Charles. |
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Cesar,
Thank you for posting all the photo's. I am really enjoying your build, and I can't wait to get started on my larger WACO. Here is mine (based on Pica's 1/5 scale). Hope my bigger one turns out as nice as yours. Bill, AMA 4720 WACO Brotherhood #1 |
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ORIGINAL: Garthwood I've noticed that you modified the stab, you are using aluminum tubes to attach the stab. Can you explain how you you were able to keep the stab incidence constant ?. I am not familiar with the Peter Barth's Waco plans. Charles. Cesar. |
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Today i have build in the 4 aileron servo's. Pics of the underside of the wing.
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Cesar...............thanks for the explanation in pictures, I really like that modification. I have seen the YAK with stab tubes and using bolts to secure both stabs. Your stab looks better secured, then what I've seen in large aircrafts. Big engines have more vibrations.
Nice pictures. Charles. |
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Cesar,
thanks for the info ad quite right about the mod. I didn't take the time to study your pictures yet. Looks probably better than the tail removal. are you you considering making the undercariage removable too? I agree on your analysis of the aileron and I like the point about survivability in case of an aileron failure. That seems to be the way to go. thanks, Phil |
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ORIGINAL: Barlingbomber Cesar, Are you you considering making the undercariage removable too? I agree on your analysis of the aileron and I like the point about survivability in case of an aileron failure. That seems to be the way to go. No i don't make the landing gear removable because it's not necessary for me to transport, it is also not so easy to build such a construction. Cesar. |
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Well, I finally finished my quarter scale Waco today. Ran the engine for a while and only had one screw come loose, but this is after chasing a severe RF problem for three weeks that turned out to be the ignition on the G62 going out. I'm just posting the picture to tickle a few of you who are building one right now or are thinking of building one.
Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Chuck |
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Hallo Chuck,
That's a nice model you have there, looking verry good. I wil make mine in the same colours as yours, how have you done the litle painting on the cowl? Will you place a detail picture for me? I have recieved the engine and exaust cannisters and i am going to build it to the fuse this weekend, after finishing i will post some pics of it. Also a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Cesar. |
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Very.very nice Chuck. Nice job you did.
Merry Christmas to you too. Charles. |
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Cesar,
The emblems on the cowl were not painted, they are vinyl decals that I had made in the town I live in. Another person who built the quarter scale Waco was kind enough to send me an AutoCad file of the graphics you see on my plane. I don't want to share the file without his permission, so if you can wait a few days, I will get back to you. I already sent him an email asking if it is ok to share it. The process of getting the decals made was went very well and is a very common practice. There should be someone in the Netherlands that does that sort of thing. Chuck |
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Hallo Chuck,
I will be verry pleased if you can send me the .dwg file than i can scale it to the size i need. I have already locate a sticker cutter that will do the job for me. Cesar |
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Gezzzzz............. I can't belive the effort that ChuckI, Redcezar and everyone else who are building this plane. I feel we in the U.S. need to travel to Holland and spy on those Dutchmen builders. They are VERY good. My friend Kris from Rotterdam and Redcezar are just a couple of great builders Kris is a machine when it comes to quality of build, He has helped me every single time I asked for it. Even contacted some parts suppliers in Germany for me to see if he could get them to step up the pace on shipping some parts I needed.
I have to say, The European's have a leg up on the U.S. Hobby shops as they seem to carry many more items of higher quailty than the U.S. stores do. I mean this towards the scale end of the model spectrum. Redcezar, I'm going to try to get over to Rotterdam this year time and money premitting, I have got to meet Kris in person as I feel he is the brother I somehow never had. We have talked on the phone. But if I get over there I will make sure we meet as well. Maybe even have a beer or twelve. Steve |
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Cesar,
PM me your email address and I'll email the file. I have permission to pass them on. Any one else who wants the file, PM me with you email address also. Chuck |
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Chuck,
I have send you with pm my e-mail, thank you for the dwg file. And steve, Oke Kris will contact me if you are in town.... and i hope twelfe beer each ha ha. I fasten today the engine to the first bulkhead. I have used M6 steel thread with thick solid alu tubes and alu U profile to make a solid base for the MVVS 116. Have some one of you maybe experience with the new ICU-P ignition? You can set differend curves and 2 differend exhaust systems, hase somone experience in practice? Cesar. |
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Today i fit the landinggear with the spring to the underside of the fuselage.
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Hi, I have built the 33% version of the Barth Waco. I used 1 servo only in the bottom wing on each side to operate the aleirons. I used a HiTec 5955 digital that puts out 333oz @ 6 volts. I have never had a problem with any type of flutter even at full throws and very high speed dives with a very strong pull out on the bottom of the loops. These servos are very reliable and strong. Cost is about $96 U.S. each.
If you have any questions , please let me know and I will try to help. Steve |
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Thank you for your support Steve.
For the ailerons i wil use for each a servo, I have done that with all my biplanes and works fine for me. Today i have worked on the panels on the front off the fuselage, it is a hell off a job to get the different plates fit to each other but oke with a litle filler its oke. I get started with the landing gear to fit the fairings etc. Cesar. |
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ORIGINAL: redcesar Thank you for your support Steve. For the ailerons i wil use for each a servo, I have done that with all my biplanes and works fine for me. Today i have worked on the panels on the front off the fuselage, it is a hell off a job to get the different plates fit to each other but oke with a litle filler its oke. I get started with the landing gear to fit the fairings etc. Cesar. |
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Hi Cesar.
Thanks for keeping posting the Pictures. the build looks fantastic and the pictures are going top help a lot with my build I'm sure. Can you tell me why you chose the MVVS Twin and if you considered any other engine? thanks, phil |
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Hi Phil,
Last week i have build the landing gear and now i'am busy with the fairings around the lower wings. I chose the MVVS 116 because of its low vibration and the power of this engine, its turns a 30x10 Menz with 6200 rpm and a 3 blade 27x12 carbon super sillent from Engel with 5800 rpm. For the Waco i am going to use after the engine is broken in the 30x10 from 3W that prop is a litle bit more haevier and wil put the rpm to a nice 5800 rpm. I have the same engine in a 48% Pitts from Weiershauser 15 a 16 KG see http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_44...tm.htm#4498075 and the vertical perfomance is unlimited, so i thought this wil be enough for the Waco with its weight of 18 KG. And i wil fly the Waco a litle bit more scale like. A different advantage is that i can use the engine in a lot other models. Maybe if i ever win the lottery i buy the MOKI 215 that's the engine for the Waco. A one cilinder is no option because the vibration is to much. Greeting, Cesar. |
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