Edd Spidell

Hey Al,

I'll bring up the picture issue (King Kong vs Transall) with the kids in the Digital Media lab. They gave me a full head of hair for the faculty photo section during last year's graduation - the result of a lost bet....so I know they can pull this one off to! No more bets though...
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So, any flying with the C-160 lately? Much too cold here, just getting out of the 20's now.

Regards,

Edd

algutkin

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Edd,

Every weekend for the past two weeks has been Santa Ana winds, no flying RC.

Al

gman

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Yes, I know a couple of prop guys that are like that but that's another story......Ahh, I'm a turbine flyer, have a Pilots cert./Multi/Sea plane rated also but I ant't no snute when it comes to electrics or any type model aircraft cause I love them all. Comes with the insanity. Raised on a airport. Love anything that flys, birds included. I am particularly fond of the Birds of Prey and the Humming Birds .

Yes I saw Jet Hangars new Corsairs and they are beautiful. ( lets see, If I don't get the wife a birthday gift....Naw) that's right,just remembered. I was at a Widow's swap meet the other day and picked up a Nitro Planes BAE Hawk(Red) NIB for $150. ( I STOLE IT). Plan to make it Elec., maybe the new JHH Elec.Turbine set up. My wife may be a widow sooner than I think if I don't get a cure....then she'll have a sell....ARF, ARF

Just received the Spektrum DX-7 yesterday. Nice system. You guys need to read up on the Specktrum if you haven't already. Really going to be a wise investment to protect the other investments and a big safety plus. I'm sure they will be coming out with a lot of added telemetry(bells and whistles) soon like air speed, altitude, ect. located on the Tx. and with voice so one does not have to look down......I can hear it now,..... Pull up!, Pull up!

Just finished the Nitro Planes Bobcat 50 Pusher jet with a Super Tigre 91. Haven't flown it yet ( this coming week end) but feel this will make a good economical Turbine Wavier qualification Bird for those wanting to suck and blow,.. fire that is.

100 inches x 4.....ARF, ARF

From the land of eternal spring..and unauthorized Aliens

bigbobed

Wasn't trying to hijack the thread. Probably should've sent Charlie a pm. Up until I moved a month ago, I belonged to the same club and like to yank his chain once in a while.
The video was an electric ducted fan, so no conversion needed. It seems to be cost competitive with the C130.
As a side note, my move put me about 25 miles from Pope AFB. This am, on the way to the hardware store, three C130's crossed in front of me at a low 500'. I also see A10 Warthogs flying pretty low from time to time.

algutkin

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Gman,

You stole my resume. 5,000 hrs. multi engine instrument, land and sea, with 100 hours in my own At-6, actually Navy SNJ-5. However, my RC resume leaves alot to be desired, the FAA and AMA are still investigating some of my RC mishaps. I hate when RC guys tell me that my full scale history doesn't matter with RC. I need excuses, I need to gain respect, I need to prove myself, so, I pass out my resume at all RC meets. Then I watch the faces of everyone else trying to conceal the laughing.

Al

gman

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Yeah, I know. When I first started RC I told my RC instructor I flew full scale and he sez THAT'S NICE, AND WHAT RADIO WERE YOU USING? Since then I mentioned that I flew RC airplanes to my CFI on a check ride and all he sez' was THAT'S NICE. Ok, I got it now, Who cares right? The stories we could tell. But this ain't tha' place. This is RC'n,....... an' , for us, thats where it's at!!

Well, finally got all the XMAS lites up ( Honey Do Due ). Wife, (house keeper anyway), said if I would let go of the planes long enough to put lights around the outside of the Tee Pee I might get something this year for Xmas. I told her she could chew my moccasins to make them softer. I put the lights up anyway. All this meaning that I told Tomas I will be starting the VQ P-61 this Friday. Hope to have it ready before the C-130 gets here.......ARF

algutkin

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Gman, I hear ya,

The P61 ends up being a pain in the butt to put together and it very difficult to make minor adjustments. In additon, I used two 7 chan. receivers in mine, not enough chans, really need 8 or more so each side can be adjusted with the transmitter. Harmony is the name of the game with a twin boom airplane.

C-130 might never arrive, I check daily, nobody knows nothing.

RE: C-160,

Rober Stinson shows up out of knowhere and shows us all up with his Transall. He builds nice airplanes. I"m going to track him down in San Diego and ask him to build for me. That way I can just BS the game and never touch a JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) screw again. When you start the 61 you will know what I mean.

I married a house cleaner and cook, nothing changes and sexy is a new kitchen gadget. If I could get the old days back, I'd have a hair transplant and no airplane adventures. Now that I'm older I learned to count the money toward myself and daydream of yesterday. Don't cry for me, I'm laughing at all this crap that I am typing.

Al

gman

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http://www.flyrc.com/articles/spektrum_dx7.shtml

algutkin

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Gman,

You still need two recivers to handle more than 7 chans. I have the new 12 z Futaba, same features, more chans, however, I didn't want to put two 225.00 recivers in an airplane. The negative with these new transmitters is that you can't just turn them off and on quickly and have things work. They have to initialize and establish contact with the receiver. This is a major pain in the butt when you have to do things quickly.

Me, I'm quick to react but slow on the uptake, whatever that means.

Al

Edd Spidell

Al,

Did you end up getting another C-160 off Ebay? The auction prices have been in the $100.00 range plus shipping, still a deal. Not the C-130 that you are getting, but still a quick build.

It was 60*F today, with snow again in the morning...

Regards,

Edd

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EDD,

No, I didn't even try to get another one, talked about it, but, just didn't do it. I'm fresh out of space. I budgeted 1 month to build this VQwarbird's P61, it's going to take the month, then the replacement B25 arrived, that's another month. Tax season is arriving, which is my busy time, so, I'm getting depressed, but, I am getting older and that is good.

My right hand assistant keeps telling me, on a daily basis, that my work attitude should change, stop screwing around with the computer, stop the hobby diversions, get my head on right, so that I will have a good personality while preparing tax returns this season. My answer is, "perhaps it's time to get a new assistant you are acting just like my wife". What ever happened to the good ole days, when business comes second to personal. Years ago I had my office phone forwarded to my cell phone while we sat at Rubin's Restaurant where we both drank and had fun in the afternoon. She answered the phone there and nobody knew the difference. Ah, those good ole days. Age breeds responsibility and that sucks.

Al

Edd Spidell

Al,

I just got through reading the P-61 build thread - wow, a lot work and money going into that one, and the 2nd B-25...you do more than okay with the tax business, but I'm sure it really is Hell on Earth when the season starts. Oh,and then there is the C-130....

As I have told my wife, my kids, and my other kids (my students), this hobby brings a kinds of folks together for a lot of good reasons, and it provides me with what I need from time to time - "ExLax for the Mind". I have been helping Robert (Stinson) with his C-160 work on RC Groups - I see you have been there too!

That being said, time to correct exams!

Regards,

Edd

algutkin

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Edd,

I do OK with my kissing butt business, tax business is just an extra that comes along with the primary business. My primary business is doing business accounting all year round, and after many years of kissing butts I have a good business. When ever a young guy asks me about becoming self employed, I give him the pitch that having a job with benefits is much more valuable, self employed people are people that couldn't hold a job, that is a fact. If an old guy asks me about being self employed I smack him in the face to wake him up, then refer him to a psychologist.

I think we all have the same invisable therapist, ya know, get a hobby, relax, set goals, accomplish things, get positive feedback. However, having (4) C-160s in various degrees of completion might put you in the same advanced cagegory as me "Just plane Nuts". Or should I say "Nuts about Planes" GMAN, are you listening, you're in this club also? Who else, stand up and be counted?

Al

Edd Spidell

Hi Al,

Yup, I'm nuts too!


Got only one flight in today with the C-160, just too hard on the body. I kept the batteries warm in my car, right up until hook-up time. It was 8*F at the airport this morning, my b***s went into retract mode - even the coffee froze... Anyway, I got to see the Cedar Hobbies B-17 up close. Stick with the stuff you are doing, it was not impressive. The covering has to be from the same mill that produced the stuff used on the Polks Hobby C-47, kind of crappy. The plane has a decent amount of room for batteries, and extensions for the wings to get it over the 80 inch mark. Looks okay at a distance, just like our C-47's, but I would not spend $325.00 plus shipping at this point. I found an old "Quiet Flyer" magazine (2002 is old...) that listed the C-47 for $300.00 plus shipping. Sobbering thought as I paid $75.00 for one at the NEAT Fair.

Just read the posting on Robert's Transall, damn shame, but we all fly, and we all crash, that comes with the territory. He has the right attitude though, and will be at it again, with all the right stuff.

The Air Force Academy is "drafting" me to help them with a UAV project. I have two students there now, and they are part of this adventure. I hope to get back there in February, during my school vacation, and spend the week working in the lab with them. I did that when my oldest son was there also - even got me an offical "Instructor" badge! It was an absolute honor, and one of the highlights of teaching for me at this point.

Time to start getting setup on tests I will be running on a couple of 600 size Medusa Research motors (1300 Kv), which I plan on running in the Transall my students are setting up. That will be Monday's in-lab experiment for them, so I have to benchmark my results and see how they compare to what the kids generate for numbers. Did you ever play with the APC 3-blade 9x6 props? I tested them again recently using my Mega 22/30/3 (1270Kv) with 3S2P Kokam 3200mA; not worth the effort - only 2 pounds (static) of thrust at 34 amps, and the 4-blade version was 3 pounds at 38 amps. The MAS 3-blade 9x7 was 3.4 pounds at 39 amps, and 3-blade 10x7 was 4.2 pounds at 48 amps. These again are static tests, but due show enough difference to merit consideration.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend,

Edd

gman

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Arf,
Arf arf arf arf , arf arf arf . Arf arf arf arf ?

Arf,
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Rowbo1

Hello My name is Dave and just got my C-160 in the mail It's the all white one from NYGrace. Have been going through all the posts and using all the trial and error and experience you guys have. I have the AXI 2820/10s with 40A controllers from Dymond. Have never used their in house stuff.
The first thing Ill do is correct the incidence on the rear stab, then start reinforcing all the factory joints. Have not chosen battery's yet. The last plane I flew was a trainer with no ailerons in the late 80's and some Helli stuff over the last couple of years so I have some work to do before taking up the beast.
Not to concerned with long flight times and wonder if any weight can be saved with the batteries there. I am all about slow and scale at this point. Thanks in advance for any advice.

Edd Spidell

Hello Dave,

The C-160 is no trainer, and you should be aware that it flies and lands a bit hot. You should be flying it, at the beginning, with someone that has decent stick-skills. The battery issue is this: small packs (2100mA) per motor will not give much time in the air beyond 5 minutes, with little if any reserve, for that "gotta go around again" approach. I would use 3000mA at a minimum per motor, as you NEVER get the stated power over duration (mAH) under the actual flying load. My packs in this plane are 8800mA and 10,000mA - they run cool and stable. I never draw them down to more than 2/3 actual measured capacity, so they stay well-balanced and last. I did have some early failures with the original Kokam 3200 (20C), but now they are out of the picture. Using Duralite (Evo) and PolyQuest (Enerland) Li-poly's now with good results.

Just one of the many opinions based on personal experience - might save you some time (money), and your plane (money)!

Regards,

Edd Spidell

algutkin

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For some reason this is the place that we all meet to discuss the Hobby People C-130. Mainly because we all are buying one to replace the C-160s that crash or bore us beyond all words to describe it. Once you have a C-160, and fly it, you really don't need another one. That is, except for EDD. The guys in Rhode Island are a little different, if you know what I mean.

Here is the latest info.

Target delivery date to the CA wharehouse = middle of Jan. (evidence of a really stupid purchasing person, missed Christmas)
Units pre-ordered 75
Units coming 123

Credit cards to be charge when shipped.

The C-130 was visably seen by Gabe, in person. He says the kit is as good as advertised. Guess I will put in a pre-order, so long as the card won't be charged until shipped. All I know, is that I don't want unit 123, because the last unit is usually the damaged unit.

Always on top of things when drinking wine with my lunch.

Al

Edd Spidell

Hey Al,

Since when did the C-160 get boring???? . I am going to take a photo of my storage loft at school, with four C-160's NIB's, along with a host of others...

I am looking at the NitroPlanes Cessna 337, looks real good for transport as the wings do detach. My hang-up with the C-130 is the size, as I truly would need a trailer behind the Escort wagon, which is getting way out of hand. So, I will just have to enjoy your stories instead.

Great job with the P-61 build...in spite of the comment from someone on the "Maiden Policy" - seems like there is always someone out there, like gum stuck to my shoe...[:@]

At any rate, good seeing you on-line!

Edd

algutkin

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EDD,

EDd, I have to tell the truth, had some experience with the full sized 337. Noisy, not that fast, not attractive, nothing special.

The 337 never needed two motors...Anyhow, think about the bucks in a plane like this, two motors, two ESCs, and only the kit version is attrative. The full sized plane was an albatross (spelling?) nothing more than a 210 with an extra motor.

For the money invested, might as well get a real twin. I always give advice when nobody asks, that's me, sorry.[&o]

I did spot it on Nitro's web site and it did cause me to stop for a few minutes and look, think, reason some things out, then, pass it by for the P38.

I hate freezing my butt off, that's the reason we moved from Connecticut 35 years ago. However, Cape Cod in the summer was really nice, and those mansions in Rhode Island weren't bad either.

Take care
Al

gman

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Guys,
KMP has a nice 88 inch 336, ( they call it a 337), if one is willing to spend a little more . Nice ARF. here's your's truly and the KMP.
From the land of eternal spring and unauthorized aliens.











100 inches/130, ARF, ARF....

bahamadude

I hope this is not a stupid question but would 2 hacker a20 20 L power this puppy ?

Those hackers are really powerfull. Guys are saying that the .25 engines are more than enough power for their plane.

I used a hacker A20 20 L on a electric plane from tower hobbies and this plane was plenty fast

It had 10*4.7 prop

algutkin

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Gman,

Really nice looking plane, after seeing the picture I put tape over my mouth.

It looks like a great replica of the 337. Two 3520-7 Hxtronic motors would make that plane perform like a fighter. What motors do you have in yours?

Al

gman

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Two cheap Magnum 2-stroke .60 slimers..............

Edd Spidell

Hey Gang,

Just wanted to wish you all a Merry Christmas and THE BEST in 2007!

I am leaving tonight for Reno, to catch up with son #2, and skiing at Tahoe, then back to Colorado, so nothing but "real planes" for a while.

Gman- beautiful 336/337...even if it is a slimmer....

Al - relax before the maiden (P61), everything is going to be fine! Have someone take pictures!

And to everyone, and I mean everyone, remember all of those serving in the US military that will not be coming home anytime soon...


A grateful patriot,

Edd