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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    Hi T-man,

    I know they are doing developement in the 10cc range, but have no info on where they are at in the process. I would think they would also be considering a gas version of that as well, but I don't have any concrete info. Given that they do extensive testing and research before even releasing a prototype, I would not expect to hear anything until they are closer along. They tend to be conservative on new motors and not release anything until they have something that has been refined and a pretty buletproof design. They don't release engines then come out with a "New and improved" version next year like some manufacturers do, using the end user as a test dummy. They take every comment from every tester very seriously and attempt to acount for every possibility before going into full production. So the final motors pretty much perform evenly across the board out of the box. Right now this 40 seems to have it all over what everyone else is doing with small gas motors, which are mostly heavy, complicated converted nitro motors.

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    GOOD NEWS

    Went to the NV site and inquired - got this reply

    Hi Mike,

    For some reason our emails to you don't go through - AOL blocks them... Anyway, the engines are available, but the manual should be ready within two weeks. We will contact you then. Thank you

    Need to start working on a home for it. Got a Kitfox Classic lV - 80" undercambered wing,calls for 40 4-stroke - but believe this will be a good home. Just a little leary of the wing as I've always had trouble covering concave surfaces

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine



    Wow, That's cool..





    Gonna have to go and see what the engine is going to sell for, I have a several planes that this engine would be perfectly at home in!! Edit: just went to the NV site, the engine is not yet listed.. But based upon the previous post, I imagine that it will be up on the site very soon!!

    Just went to the NV website, the engine has not been listed yet, but baised upon the above post, I imagine it wont be very long before it is!!





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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    I don't think that the NV Engines website lists everything. They mentioned the availability of the Big Mig 40, but they never listed it on the engines list. The Big Mig 40 has bushings instead of ball bearings and has a airbleed carb. But it looks similar to the AX-40. So, what I'm trying to say is that they don't necessarily list all the stuff they are selling. You might just have to call them and ask.
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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    Hi T-Man,
    Yes, AOL drops their e-mails as spam, so it's best to use a different address. I have friends I can't send mail to on AOL sometimes as well. Their spam filters tend to be a bit aggressive.

    I think they are just waiting to finalize manuals and so forth before they start listing the motor on the site. But the final configuration has been produced, so it shouldn't be long now.

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    Hi Bill, Good to hear from you.

    You know there are just too many planes out there for this engine. T\F DC-3 got a pair of 40FP's, but hear they leave a lot to be desired in it. Also have a Kyosho RV-4 that would probably be a good match and am looking at a Phoenix F-20 also. Will probably save the Kitfox Classic for a HP VT49 I've got and stick the NV in a 40 sz trainer 'til broken in and make a decision then.

    Thanx much for bringing this engine to our attention and answering so many questions.

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    I think I will be putting the 40 in my Big Stik to see how it works out. This plane has been my test bed/go to plane. When I get it broke in and get a feel for this one , we'll see where it ends up.

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    I did ask about price and oil ratio, have to wait for the manual for the oil ratio.
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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    Hi Mike,
    A DC-3 with a pair of them would be sweet. It's an easy swap for the FPs too as they are close in weight and you need less fuel.

    The F-20 I would think more of an AX 46 swinging a 9X8 or 9, but that's me. The thing is if you are alreading running an AX 40 or 46 it's a drop in, just remember to change the tank and fuel lines. That's how mine ended up in the LA. I already had an AX 40 in it so it was a 15 minute swap.

    I wouldn't bother with breaking it in on a trainer, at least you don't need to. My break in, and I'm conservative, is a cold break in (just like the 1/2a NV motors, it has a good pinch at the top) followed by 4 tanks with an 11X6 APC. Then run it in the air. They start to realy hit the sweet spot after the first 1/2 gallon or so, but run great right from the start.

    With a 11X6 APC, it's great for any of the LA, Escapade, 4 star, Super Sporster, or Ultra Sport types out there. Drop a 12X4 on for a big telemaster or large Cub and it's happy. For a Kaos I'd run a 10X7 APC (the Master Airscrew unloads to over 14K, and it needs more load than that, it's gas, not nitro). I like the 10X7 on the LA.

    You're right, there are a ton of choices for this one.

    Andy, a stick would be a great home for this one too.

    Hi AJ,
    The ratio will come with the manual, but it's an easy percentage, not a ratio so you don't need a calculator. I never mix more than 1/2 gallon at a time as it lasts too long. I have my timer set for 12 minutes on the Radio and I have yet to burn 1/2 tank. It gets to the point that I just don't even consider fuel burn when flying. One day when I was testing props, I would fly bit, land and adjust the needle, or change props, by the 4rth run someone asked me "Are you going to fuel up?" "Not yet."

    To keep things simple for me I mix 50oz at a time, so the math is simple.

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    Bill,

    Again, thanks for all the information, verybhelpfull. I also have a Stinger II, these weigh in about 5-5 1/2 lbs, perfect for thisnsize engine. I have the Stinger set upmfor electric because of the glow fuel slime. Once I see how well this goes I might put the or another 40 on the Stinger. I need to go check out me prop,collection to see what I have, no local hobby shops.

    Oh yeh, I have a NIB Razor 3D that this might work on also. The reviews said the Razor is more of a sport/pattern then a 3D.

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    Any ideal what price range this engine will sell for?

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    I was told 149.99
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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    thanks that is decent

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    WOW, $149.99??  at that price point, I would probably buy a few of them..  the savings in glow fuel alone would be worth it.. and they are more powerful to boot..

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    Why is the .46 AX no longer appearing on the web site?

    It would be great if a 'gas' version of it was in the pipeline ...

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    If the 46 produces 15% or more power than the 40 for the same size and weight, I don't see why keep the 40 going. Just replace it with the 46 when the 40 inventory expires.
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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    Seems like they are getting pretty good power from the 40, may be they tried the 46 and haven't gotten the results they were looking for?
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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine


    ORIGINAL: hsukaria

    If the 46 produces 15% or more power than the 40 for the same size and weight, I don't see why keep the 40 going. Just replace it with the 46 when the 40 inventory expires.
    Their are competitions such as pylon which cap the size to a .40. So some would switch to another brand or use older engines if discontinued.
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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    I haven't heard anything about the 46 being discontinued. They have a tendancy to just disable it on the site when they sell out and enable it when the new stock comes in. They just did that with the .061 Big Mig, which you know they aren't going to discontinue. So most likely you will see it up again with the next shipment.

    Sport Pilot is correct, there are many markets for both the 40 and 46, remember they sell on a global basis, not just geared to the US.

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    I was aware of the 40 size requirement for some racing. But for the Quickee 500 types, you need to mount the engine using the backplate screws. That wouldn't work on the NV engines because the crankase backplate is threaded on the crankcase. I have not seen anybody come up with a radial mount for the NV engine. If there is one, I would like to know.
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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    Hi Fiery,

    I was in contact with NV today and they affirmed that they are going to put production of the 46 on hold right now. Since their philosophy has been to produce light, powerfull engines that are extremely efficient, the 46 is eclipsed by the new gas 40. It produces better power at far better fuel efficiency. (This is true, I did the math and it costs me less to fly the 40 gas per flight than my old Cox baby bees, given the cost of Nitro) So the gas 40 will replace the Nitro 46, and if they are right, they are ahead of the curve on where the industry is headed as far as gas motors vs nitro ones.

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    Hllywdb, If that's the case, they may never get to a 60sz nitro, . . . but mabey a 60 sz in gas is in the works.

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    Personally I would like to see a 61 in gas and nitro versions. There are just too many planes that they will work in not to have both.

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    On another thread there is talk of a 15cc still to come this spring . . . Nothing definate, but . .

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    RE: Testing the new NV (Norvel) .40 size (6.5cc) gasoline glow engine

    Thanks Bill. I guess it makes sense to rationalise your product within a sector. Then again NV make 061's and 074's .... I am sue there is a logic somewhere.



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