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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Charrley, I did a search on Horizon for Saito 65 and obnly got parts to come up that are common with other Saitos. The .65 has apparently been replaced by the .62 which is a sweet heart of an engine.
    Farmall 240 the final issue of the Farmall C, Super C, 200, 230 series.
    122 Cu. In. 22 hp. A small tractor that would do big work due to its 10x36 inch rear tires.

    As competition improves products, the differences between them get smaller and smaller

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Hello Hobbsy!

    The Saito .80 you show dates back to the mid 1980's. This is based on the blue and white box. Saito later switched to the black and gold box. I have owned four of these .80's and they are awesome engines. These engines are sometimes refered to as the "high compression" version of the .80. Run great on 10% to 15% nitro. Don't need any higher nitro content. I am still running two of these .80's, although I have replaced the bearings in them over the years. Very easy to do.

    This is my first post in this forum and I guess I should summarize my Saito experience. My first Saito was an .80 that I put in a Super Sportster .60. Great flyer! Met its demise avoiding an idiot on the field during landing.
    I built a SE-5a from MAN plans and put an .80 in it. Turned out to be way over-powered so I put a .65 in it. Still a bit over-powered but still flying after 20 years!
    I bought two more .80's and put them in a variety of .60 sized sport planes and never had any real problems.
    When Saito came out with their .91 I bought two with the idea of replacing my .80's. I was disappointed. The .91's never did develop the power that I expected and I was constantly fiddling around with them. Finally sold them both.
    Then Saito came out with the 1.00. What a sweet engine! Currently flying one in a Pacific Aeromodel Edge 540 and another in a Hangar 9 Ultra Stick .60. Both are GREAT flying planes. The Edge is set up for on board glow so to start it I open the throttle, spin the prop with the starter for a few seconds, reset the throttle to 3 clicks open, turn on the ignition, hit it with the starter and its running. Starts the same way every time and no dead sticks. Running 15% nitro with 1% castor/16% synthetic.
    Along the way I acquired a 1.50 running in an Ultra Hots but I'm retired now and couldn't afford to feed that fuel guzzler.

    Since 1985 I have run only Saito 4 strokes so if that qualifies me for club Saito Mr. Moderator - sign me up.

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Welcome to the glow forum
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Thanks Al, I grew up in Hookstown about 24 miles from you, that makes the second high compression .80 I have and I also have a very early High compresion 1.50
    I ran the new, ( to me anyway) .80 today, I tried a Graupner 12.5x6 first and a MasterAirscrew K-13x6, by the way it came with my favorite plug a Fox Miracle Plug. The tiny O-ring in the end of the spraybar was missing so I installed one.
    Fuel===WildCat 15% 2/4 stroke fuel
    Graupner 12.5x6======10,550 rpm
    MA K prop 13x6=======10,150
    I used a later model muffler like the .91s came with, the thin walled aluminum cans.
    It runs really well, I may upgrade the spraybar to the later spraybar.

    Jim, The engine has a Q on the right mounting lug.
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    Farmall 240 the final issue of the Farmall C, Super C, 200, 230 series.
    122 Cu. In. 22 hp. A small tractor that would do big work due to its 10x36 inch rear tires.

    As competition improves products, the differences between them get smaller and smaller

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    And you say it seems like a high compression one?
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    It sure does, the compression stroke is really hard and you better not be slow getting your fingers out of the way when it goes over tdc.
    Farmall 240 the final issue of the Farmall C, Super C, 200, 230 series.
    122 Cu. In. 22 hp. A small tractor that would do big work due to its 10x36 inch rear tires.

    As competition improves products, the differences between them get smaller and smaller

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Anybody have fuel consumption charts for saito engines primarily the 180 and 220 engines.Thanks Mitch
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Anybody have fuel consumption charts for saito engines primarily the 180 and 220 engines.Thanks Mitch

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Hello Saito lovers. Have 2 saito 56's on a small 1/12th scale B-2 and 2 180's on my new 1/8th scale B-2. Running great. Many hours of enjoyment on the smaller 2 and 16 flights so far on the 180's.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    I got an email from horizon hobby saying that my gold plated saito 30 is on its way to my house. So we shall see what it looks like maybe in a few days to a week.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !


    ORIGINAL: promod1

    Anybody have fuel consumption charts for saito engines primarily the 180 and 220 engines.Thanks Mitch


    A good starting point:
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    What is the deal with the 180 s. I have a brand new one in the box that I have listed three times for sale, have had several hundred views, and not one offer. Are they that unpopular that nobody wants one? Is three hundred too much? Please help

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Has anyone ever taken the head temperature of a Saito 82. What should the temperature be using a infrared thermometer?

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Yes, $300 is way to high to start.

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    10 cc equals .3 oz

    The .56 would burn .6 oz a minute

    The .82a would burn 1 oz a minute
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    ORIGINAL: ralphp

    What is the deal with the 180 s. I have a brand new one in the box that I have listed three times for sale, have had several hundred views, and not one offer. Are they that unpopular that nobody wants one? Is three hundred too much? Please help
    The price of glow fuel is the problem. For this size engine, people have gone to gasoline two stroke engines.

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Can a Saito 1.80 be converted to gas? If so, what is the process?
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    You would have to eliminate any parts that are not gas-tolerant, such as any silicone parts. You would have to adapt a gas carb such as a Walbro. You would also need an ignition unit and spark plug. Compression would also have to be adjusted for gas.
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    It requires a special Saito carb desined for four strokes such as a WT-456 or the WYD
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    There are threads on converting these, do a search. Generally speaking it is not a cost effective approach to getting a gasser with that performance envelope. I also have a 180 and am considering the conversion to gas, or maybe gas/glow, or trying it on low nitro or no nitro FAI fuel. I already have an electronic CDI and likely a carb that will work, but am undecided what to do with it. The special carb requires an opposite pulse to drive the pump diaphram and a return spring to drive the diaphram back. And the gas needs to have the same oil content as glow fuel unless you put needle bearings in the connecting rod ends. And it will not be as powerful on gas as it is on glow. Lots of issues to consider. I really don't yet know what will work for me.

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Saito 100 still hard to start. I replaced the vent tube in the tank and checked for any kinks in the lines and also lowered the tank so that the top is pretty close to the level of the carb, yet it is still very hard to start and locks up when trying. It will lock up most of the time, the prop just stops and will not rotate, but after 10 or 15 attempts it might start and seems to run okay, but it will not idle for any length of time even at high rpm. I am at a loss as to how to fix this.

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !


    ORIGINAL: winglift

    Saito 100 still hard to start. I replaced the vent tube in the tank and checked for any kinks in the lines and also lowered the tank so that the top is pretty close to the level of the carb, yet it is still very hard to start and locks up when trying. It will lock up most of the time, the prop just stops and will not rotate, but after 10 or 15 attempts it might start and seems to run okay, but it will not idle for any length of time even at high rpm. I am at a loss as to how to fix this.


    Earlier you said that when it locks up, there is no fuel in the fuel line, so it might not be hydro-locking. Something else is seizing or sticking. It probably could use an internal inspection.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    I think you are right. I will take it apart and will let you know the results.

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Winglift, I might be out of line here but you said that the top of your tank is now level with the carb. I was always under the impression that the centerline should be even with the carb (i.e., spraybar) or 1/4" below.

    Can someone set me straight on that? Is it different for 4S engines than it is for 2S?

    Or is the tank now set that low to prevent siphoning?

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    What parts do you buy to repair the 45? Can't find much info on the 45. I assume the 50 parts may fit for the most part. Any ideas?

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