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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !


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    Hi huk don't be a wally stick with glo it's cheaper in the long run mate!@!
    Ok, can somebody please translate this to American?
    It sounds to me like he is saying ''use glo because it's cheaper in the long run [than gas]''.

    I personallyfind this argument hard to believe, unless you mix your own glow fuel and you have access to a ''special source'' for those components.

    I don't see how glow fuel can possibly be cheaper than gasoline, but that is an argument fought many times over with no clear winner, unless you simplify it to purchasing stock glow fuel from a hobby shop or other source at $15-$20 per gallon.

    -Mike
    I didn't mean to resurrect a much abused subject, sorry. I am struggling with a decision whether to keep a big nitro or switch to gas at this mtime. A big help is if I can get my Saito 1.8 to run on lower nitro content, like 5% rather than 15%. That can convince me to keep it. Others have given me ideas on how to convert it to gas.

    I will try to run it on 5% nitro first and see how that goes. This is my first Saito and my first big engine.
    Honestly, I'm thinking you are trying to tackle too many ''firsts'' at once. If this is your first Saito and your first big engine, just run it as a big Saito on glow fuel and understand you will use a good bit of glow fuel in the process; then once you've had some time under your belt with it, you can decide if you want to convert to gas, keep it as is, or buy a different gas engine as part of your exploration into gassers. Keep this beautiful Saito as it was built and enjoy it for awhile; the sound of a large 4 stroke can't be beat.

    -Mike

    Yep, I think I will take that approach. But I will start with 15% nitro and then try it with 5% to see if I can get away with it.
    Start with 15% and stick with 15% - why mess with a tried and true formula for success?


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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    H, all the Saitos larger than the little .30 will run perfectly on 5%, the .30 needs to idle about 200 rpm faster on 5%.
    Farmall 240 the final issue of the Farmall C, Super C, 200, 230 series.
    122 Cu. In. 22 hp. A small tractor that would do big work due to its 10x36 inch rear tires.

    As competition improves products, the differences between them get smaller and smaller

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !


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    H, all the Saitos larger than the little .30 will run perfectly on 5%, the .30 needs to idle about 200 rpm faster on 5%.
    I'll try it, won't hurt. I have with 5% castor and all synthetic mixes. 5% is noticeably cheaper than 15%, and at the rate of 1.8's consumption, it will make a difference in $$$.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !


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    H, all the Saitos larger than the little .30 will run perfectly on 5%, the .30 needs to idle about 200 rpm faster on 5%.
    I'll try it, won't hurt. I have with 5% castor and all synthetic mixes. 5% is noticeably cheaper than 15%, and at the rate of 1.8's consumption, it will make a difference in $$$.
    Cool; lesson learned for me about the 5% nitro.
    Just make sure you post some flight videos so we can hear the sound of that sweet engine running!

    Gold Wing Su-26m/DLE-30, Twist 60/Saito 1.15, Airtronics 2.4 Ghz SD-10G.

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !


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    H, all the Saitos larger than the little .30 will run perfectly on 5%, the .30 needs to idle about 200 rpm faster on 5%.
    I'll try it, won't hurt. I have with 5% castor and all synthetic mixes. 5% is noticeably cheaper than 15%, and at the rate of 1.8's consumption, it will make a difference in $$$.
    Cool; lesson learned for me about the 5% nitro. *
    Just make sure you post some flight videos so we can hear the sound of that sweet engine running![img][/img]

    I will once I get the radio installed, programmed and CG balanced. I'm bummed out that the plane needs 1.5 lbs of weight added to the nose (it's a Great Planes Giant Big Stick). I guess that shows how much a Saito is lighter than a gas engine.
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    Put this 1.82 on it and you may get away with just placing the battery up beside the tank. This with twin TurboHeaders would sound awesome.
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    Farmall 240 the final issue of the Farmall C, Super C, 200, 230 series.
    122 Cu. In. 22 hp. A small tractor that would do big work due to its 10x36 inch rear tires.

    As competition improves products, the differences between them get smaller and smaller

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    ORIGINAL: Hobbsy

    Put this 1.82 on it and you may get away with just placing the battery up beside the tank. This with twin TurboHeaders would sound awesome.
    Wait, let me check my pockets for some loose change, I might be able to buy one.
    That engine will make my plane look ugly.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Yep, that loose change syndrome just ruins everything.
    Farmall 240 the final issue of the Farmall C, Super C, 200, 230 series.
    122 Cu. In. 22 hp. A small tractor that would do big work due to its 10x36 inch rear tires.

    As competition improves products, the differences between them get smaller and smaller

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    I have a 182. It is a nice easy running engine.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Here in OZ it is easy to get all the components to mix glo fuel (nitro, methanol and oil both castor and synthetic and if you are good looking and have a silver tongue you can also buy ether to make diesel fuel.
    It is considerably cheaper "to mix your own" glo fuel and given the cost of carf fuel (ULP)  (unleaded petrol).
    I mix or get mixed (by my mate) all my fuels (diesel and glo) on an as needs basis so as it is fresh when used.
    Re old farts post methinks he might have been sniffing some Bundy Happy juice (rum to the others in this world)
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    You've managed to get ether? I haven't, AFAIK it's a controlled substance as the druggies use it to make speed or something.

    Don't even get me started on asking for amyl nitrate.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Yep in commercial quantities, you have to plug into the O/T network, and for amyl nitrate use IPN or diesel improve (as in trucks).  We also can get syringes etc to measure quantity of fuel going into tanks for Texaco.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !


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    Hi huk don't be a wally stick with glo it's cheaper in the long run mate!@!
    Ok, can somebody please translate this to American?
    Howdy Im a aussie too and I wouldnt have a clue what hes on about. Cheers the pope

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Hello popey how ya doin and a quick translation,good sound don;t come cheap and the exchange rate for US dollars is good at the moment.If it plunges in the future i'll suffer and pay up
    Watch out for the ground eh?

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    Hello popey how ya doin and a quick translation,good sound don;t come cheap and the exchange rate for US dollars is good at the moment.If it plunges in the future i'll suffer and pay up
    Howdy O.F. not only am I confused with your other post but what the heck is the last one about? I think its time to lay off the turps or change your meds.Cheers from the pope

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    My vocabulary is expanding rapidly lately.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Hi popey and huk,i'm saying that buying nice aeroplanes and cheap two strokes don;t always mix well.If you want to cheapen up the full saito sound experience by running less nitro be my guest brother
    Watch out for the ground eh?

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    ORIGINAL: Old Fart

    Hi popey and huk,i'm saying that buying nice aeroplanes and cheap two strokes don;t always mix well.If you want to cheapen up the full saito sound experience by running less nitro be my guest brother
    No problem, I still haven't started the engine yet. I am working on the radio installation and then will work on rebalancing the CG. After all that, I will run the engine and see where to go from there: 5% nitro, 15% nitro, convert to gas....who knows. My MOOD might change by then. The long, cold Michigan winter will come soon and things change[&o].
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    The nitro % will not change the sound other than higher will add a few rpm, not enough to be worth it in my opinion.
    Farmall 240 the final issue of the Farmall C, Super C, 200, 230 series.
    122 Cu. In. 22 hp. A small tractor that would do big work due to its 10x36 inch rear tires.

    As competition improves products, the differences between them get smaller and smaller

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    ORIGINAL: Hobbsy

    The nitro % will not change the sound other than higher will add a few rpm, not enough to be worth it in my opinion.
    I also like the sound of money in my pockets!!!
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    When adjusting the valve on these mills, do you want a slight drag on the feeleer gauge like you do in full size engines or to you want the feeler gauge to slip freely? Ijust adjusted the valves in the 3 saitos i have and did them with a slight drag on the feeler gauge and just want to make sure i did it right. thanks
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    I would concur in that a slight drag is good when setting the valve gaps.

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    I guess the best to to explain it is to have a bit of feel in the guage when sliding it in and out perpendicular. A bit of grab is too tight, and feeling almost nothing is a bit too open.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    ORIGINAL: Hobbsy

    The nitro % will not change the sound other than higher will add a few rpm, not enough to be worth it in my opinion.


    Low compression, modern revisions of Saito four-strokes are sluggards in throttling and top end power without 20% or more nitromethane in the fuel.

    This is one of the few subjects on which Hobbsy and I disagree. Then again, I suspect that he flies around at 1/4 to half throttle most of the time anyway, so he probably wouldn't notice the difference in engine performance using lower nitro fuels.


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    Hobbsy has several high compression early model Saito engines
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