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    ORIGINAL: Ernie Misner

    With large gasoline engines the valve clearance gets tighter when they get up to operating temperature. Aren't our little Saito's just the opposite, and gain clearance as they heat up possibly due to the aluminum jug?

    I think it's a good thing when I store my Saito's with the cylinder facing down and then the ARO slowly finds it's way into the rocker area. Sure saves having to lubricate them manually from time to time.

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    ORIGINAL: mjraines1

    On your on board glow. Do you leave it on at two clicks up when starting and leave it connected to the on board battery during flight?
    I have the SULLIVAN on board glow driver........check it out. It needs to stay connected all the time to the glow plug and grounded to the engine. It also needs to be programmed. Mine is set up to stay on at two clicks, past that it turns off authomatically. On landng approach and at two throttle clicks and engine is idling it comes on again. In this case I'm using it on my great planes ucando size .60 and where I couldn't move the fuel tank centre line to line up with the centre of the carb., the ucando has a very narrow fuselage.
    A SULLIVAN glow driver is for my insurance. Saito engines mounted sideways runs OK, inverted tends to load up if running a bit on the rich side.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !


    ORIGINAL: mjraines1

    On your on board glow. Do you leave it on at two clicks up when starting and leave it connected to the on board battery during flight?

    It is left connected, "And programmed to stay on from idle to two clicks of throttle" Beyond two clicks of throttle there's no glow from this device.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    I have 2 4-stroke engines mounted inverted and I never needed to do anything special except watch out for excessive priming to prevent hydraulic lock. They run just fine as is.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !


    ORIGINAL: SigMan

    Ys engines has there own Club thread, i figured i would start us one to. so sound off about anything saito. my 91 4[sm=punching.gif]-stroke ROCKS MY SIG SENIOR!
    Also have a .91 Saito in a Sig Senior. Way over powered, but its fun and you can never have enough power. Also have other Saito's and they seem to run great, except I feel that they use more fuel than other manufacturers.

    The only problem I've had with one Saito, was that the front bearing went. Easy repair and engine is still running trouble free for many years now.

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Looking for help with a Saito FA-62a. Ordered a right angle adapter from RC Specialties (this is not a hit on them, Jim of RC Specialties could not have been nicer and tried to resolve the issue, has even issued a refund). Although it was the correct adapter, it would not fit the Saito. The adapter would screw into the engine a couple of turns and then begin to bind. Tried it in the muffler, same thing. Sent the adapter back to RC Specialties and Jim confirmed the issue. Looking for a solution, I took the engine to my local Ace Hardware, to one of those boards where you can check thread sizes. Confirmed that both the engine and the short Saito supplied extension pipe were both M10x1.0. RC Specialties claims that the adapter sent me was also a M10x1.0 thread, yet it won't screw into either my engine or muffler. This engine is going into a Sig 1/5 Cub and I need to come up with a way to get the engine enclosed in the cowl.

    Anyone out there run into this issue? Either I have a very strange Saito FA-62a, or RC Specialties has an issue with their adapters (they have a loyal following here on RCU, and I have no reason to doubt their products). If I can't resolve the RC Specialties adapter issue, I still need to come up with an alternate solution.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    ..... and remember Bill Robison's words..... he found that the Saitos mounted upright had the least amount of oil getting to the rockers, horizontally mounted had some, and inverted had the most. That's just from running though, so any ARO that we can get into those areas is a plus. Remember the old externally mounted valve trains? Keep that oil can handy!

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

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    Bill was everything Saito. he knew it all. and was a huge asset to this thread. all i know is that he passed away but i cant remember how.
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    He passed away of natural causes. I assume to have been old age in 2007. There never was any specific cause mentioned.
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    After a fire at his house where he lost everything. Smoke inhilation was a suspected cause as he refused to go to the hospital. I miss his contributions very much.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    ORIGINAL: SigMan

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    Bill was everything Saito. he knew it all. and was a huge asset to this thread. all i know is that he passed away but i cant remember how.

    What blows me away is the picture of a Vincent "V" twin in a Norton chassis in his opening post.




    That had to be real monster! I would have loved to have "twisted the wick" on that!
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !


    ORIGINAL: SrTelemaster150

    ORIGINAL: SigMan

    William Robison
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    Bill was everything Saito. he knew it all. and was a huge asset to this thread. all i know is that he passed away but i cant remember how.

    What blows me away is the picture of a Vincent ''V'' twin in a Norton chassis in his opening post.




    That had to be real monster! I would have loved to have ''twisted the wick'' on that!
    I never met Bill. Is this Bill ?
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Yup

    Norvin Norton Vincent motocycle utube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQD6prXZh1I
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    i think i got my fg 36 working just right.
    it no longer coughs.
    got 7800 rpm with 18 x 8 prop, nylon

    next weekend, for sure will be maiden flight.
    today it is raining.

    wish me luck.
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    ORIGINAL: JNorton

    Yup

    Norvin Norton Vincent motocycle utube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQD6prXZh1I
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    If the "Limies" had made motorcycles like that, perhaps thet would still have >25% of the motorctycle market.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !


    ORIGINAL: SrTelemaster150


    ORIGINAL: JNorton

    Yup

    Norvin Norton Vincent motocycle utube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQD6prXZh1I
    John

    If the ''Limies'' had made motorcycles like that, perhaps thet would still have >25% of the motorctycle market.
    The Britts made many great motorcycles and sports cars, among other things. The cause of their demise is beyond this forum, but should serve as a warning.

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    I was told to come down here and post a question! Got a saito 56, the guy that I bought it from took great care of it but it is a little old, but not flown like I woulda!
    I adjusted the valves, put a new glow plug in it and adjusted out to about 1 3/4 turns on top end and it's about flush on the low end, screw w/ throttle arm. It is smoking quite a bit. And will hickup inverted and just seems out on the low end. Sputters a bit b4 transitions up.Not used to these 4 strokes but think I will love it once tuned.. I have it on a 40 size ultra stick. Prop suggestions?? I'll take them! I have a 12x6 but will probably go back to a 11x7. I have a clearence issue.. Thanx in advance for replies, Brad.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Does it have a metal or plastic throttle arm?
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    plastic
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    ORIGINAL: bradharvy

    adjusted out to about 1 3/4 turns on top end and it's about flush on the low end, screw w/ throttle arm. It is smoking quite a bit. And will hickup inverted and just seems out on the low end. Sputters a bit b4 transitions up.*Not used to these 4 strokes but think I will love it once tuned..

    Sounds like your low end screw needs leaned out a bit. Turn it in 1/4 turn @ a time & see what happens.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    With the metal throttle arm the low speed screw is normally flush

    With the plastic throttle arm the LS screw is below 1/2 to 1 mm
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    Keep leaning that LS needle a bit at a time until it dies (from being too lean) when you hit the throttle hard from idle. (note that it would just idle smooth as a sewing maching like that all day though if you didn't hit the throttle) Then richen it back up just slightly until it doesn't die when you hit the throttle hard and fast. This will be your best compromise setting.

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !


    ORIGINAL: bradharvy

    I was told to come down here and post a question! Got a saito 56, the guy that I bought it from took great care of it but it is a little old, but not flown like I woulda!
    I adjusted the valves, put a new glow plug in it and adjusted out to about 1 3/4 turns on top end and it's about flush on the low end, screw w/ throttle arm. It is smoking quite a bit. And will hickup inverted and just seems out on the low end. Sputters a bit b4 transitions up.*Not used to these 4 strokes but think I will love it once tuned.. I have it on a 40 size ultra stick. Prop suggestions?? I'll take them! I have a 12x6 but will probably go back to a 11x7. I have a clearence issue.. Thanx in advance for replies, Brad.


    "down here"?

    Try an 11x8. Give that .56 something to chew on.


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    ORIGINAL: w8ye

    With the metal throttle arm the low speed screw is normally flush

    With the plastic throttle arm the LS screw is below 1/2 to 1 mm

    That is only a "starting point" & would usually be a bit rich. The low speed neeedle still must be adjusted (in most cases) for correct idle/transition.
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    The low needle should be adjusted as lean as possible and still have the engine able to accelerate to high speed without hesitation.

    If the high speed needle is then not responsive, you are too lean on the low speed needle.
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