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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    My audio senses like quiet. I keep my planes quiet and my Harley is very quiet, still wearing the stock pipes.
    Farmall 240 the final issue of the Farmall C, Super C, 200, 230 series.
    122 Cu. In. 22 hp. A small tractor that would do big work due to its 10x36 inch rear tires.

    As competition improves products, the differences between them get smaller and smaller

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    The majority of my Saitos have straight pipe exhausts that I ordered from the radial parts pages. I have poor hearing and I need all the help I can get. If it creates more power, then that's OK too.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Here's a piston out of an old FA-90.

    It's my buddy's engine that he bought used over 10 years ago and never ran. The bearings are ratchety but upon inspection, they probably were just dry with castor residue dried on them.

    There's pencil marks on the tops of the pistons. I doubt it ran for more than one tank. It has the vane-thingy on the back plate, but it turns freely so I will not be opening that strange thing up for inspection.

    The rods have brass/bronze bushings on the crank and on the wrist. The valve seats are bronze, as well. By looking inside the cylinder you cannot tell which valve is the exhaust and which is the intake. Zero darkening on the exhaust valve at all.

    It's the first Saito I ever saw that has head bolts (3).

    The piston has no ring, just a groove. I presume it is not the 90TMK2, which apparently has rings...Was the previous version called MK1?

    How old is this engine?

    Edit: From reading this article, I'd guess 1982-1983. Seems they only made the MK1 for a couple years... http://images.rcuniverse.com/forum/u...07/Wu62109.pdf
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    I never saw an older engine.
    I never saw a cleaner engine.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Mike, can you give us a shot of the whole engine yet? Thanks, Dave
    Farmall 240 the final issue of the Farmall C, Super C, 200, 230 series.
    122 Cu. In. 22 hp. A small tractor that would do big work due to its 10x36 inch rear tires.

    As competition improves products, the differences between them get smaller and smaller

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    No ring, is it a tapered bore construction?

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !


    ORIGINAL: mike early

    I never saw an older engine.
    I never saw a cleaner engine.
    Mike i never thought i'd say this about a model engine but,God what a head!!
    Watch out for the ground eh?

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    Mike, can you give us a shot of the whole engine yet? Thanks, Dave

    It's all apart now. It is indeed the Saito 90T MK1.

    I heard that David Hobbs is moving to NBC... That's wonderful news indeed for F1 fans.
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    Yeah, he talks funny but knows his business. I met his former racing partner, Johnny Rutherford a couple of years agon at the Indianapolis Pacer Center at a Race Car Equipment Expo. Jack Roush was there as was Joe Gibbs. It was an honor to be standing and looking at the same engines as Jack Roush since I've been accused wearing Ford underwear.
    Farmall 240 the final issue of the Farmall C, Super C, 200, 230 series.
    122 Cu. In. 22 hp. A small tractor that would do big work due to its 10x36 inch rear tires.

    As competition improves products, the differences between them get smaller and smaller

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Love him, not a huge fan of Matchett, though. Bob Varsha is staying at Speed, I don't consider that a bad thing either. But love Hobbsy.

    Do you own any old Saito Twins?
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    I had a 1.30 twin and a 90TS twin and a 90 triple but sold all about a year ago. No twins at all right now. When our daughter had the stroke in Feb. 2009 my wife and I quite litterly spent ourselves broke over the next two and one half years. We are playing some big time catch up that required some sacrifices. Thanks to many well wishes and prayers on her behalf from you folks and many others she now has a job at an ACMoore, she walks with a slight limp and talks a little slowly but once again has a sharp mind.

    I hope to own some more twins one day. Here is a shot of the 1.30 as I experimented with two Clines on it, it ran perfectly.
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    Farmall 240 the final issue of the Farmall C, Super C, 200, 230 series.
    122 Cu. In. 22 hp. A small tractor that would do big work due to its 10x36 inch rear tires.

    As competition improves products, the differences between them get smaller and smaller

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Wonderful news!

    Nice photo!

    My 100T set-up has the carb a bit above the tank. I am wondering if I should consider some sort of pump...
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    I have searched for about an hour and cannot find my saito club member number. I might ask SigMan to relinquish his. He doesn't own a single saito....
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Hobbsy i empathise with your run down and rebuild of your Saito collection.  Been there and currently heading back ther again.  However I had a good friend that holds onto these things for me against better times.  Collections of such things as models (and all the bits including engines) become part of you and the value to you is far ahead of any realised value.  My book collection of things aviation and military and PNG are to some people priceless but would not realise anything at a firesale
    Hang in there pal it all works out in the end.  
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Mike, I'll look up your number tomorrow. (Not at my desktop computer right now)
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    ORIGINAL: FNQFLYER

    Hobbsy i empathise with your run down and rebuild of your Saito collection.* Been there and currently heading back ther again.* However I had a good friend that holds onto these things for me against better times.* Collections of such things as models (and all the bits including engines) become part of you and the value to you is far ahead of any realised value.* My book collection of things aviation and military and PNG are to some people priceless but would not realise anything at a firesale
    Hang in there pal it all works out in the end.**
    Thankyou mate,good things are rare
    Watch out for the ground eh?

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Dave that was an agreeable sentiment expressed so well by fnq.Were you talking about THE great johnny rutherford of speedcar fame?? if so i saw him decimate all comers at western springs(nz) and here at claremont speedway oval back in the seventies.No one really got that close to him,think he was using an offie engine,cheers
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    OF, a lot of fans aren't aware of the race circuits in Australia, etc. John Force basically began drag racing there when his car was able to make it down the strip.

    OTOH, the first American top fuel nitro funny cars I saw were Swedish owned at our airfield in Germany. Go figure.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Ole, as he was called back in the day, Johnny Rutherford is a tall Texan, very friendly, I was honored to meet him. Being a GearHead myself he and I could speak intelligently about things automotive. I was at the Expo with my brother John who used to race stock cars on dirt. I was his suspension guy. His last car, a limited late model had 122 adjustments on the chassis. We had to keep a book listing all changes and the cars reaction to them. We had three 358 Chevy engines for the car, a 420hp one, a 505hp one and a 555hp one. The 555 was seldom used. The 420 and the 505 were "user friendly" on the track, the 555 was the equivalent of sledge hammer on the track. A Saito is a no brainer compared to that.
    Farmall 240 the final issue of the Farmall C, Super C, 200, 230 series.
    122 Cu. In. 22 hp. A small tractor that would do big work due to its 10x36 inch rear tires.

    As competition improves products, the differences between them get smaller and smaller

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Mike Early,

    You are # 578.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Nunber # ???
    I never met a engine I did not like !

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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    Thanks BLW!

    For those that need the tiny O-Ring that goes into the spraybar under the High Speed Needle Valve, let's just assume that you cannot get it. You have to buy a new spray bar.
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    With all those small difficult to get o rings go to your nearest aircraft supplies shop.  The one that deals in hardware, parts and bits of parts.  In my day and Aviall (a division of Lycoming) had a yellow Parker O Ring triangle on the counter.  You slide your o ring over same and the line it rested on gave you the basic p/number.  The o ring x section was measured to get the required dash number.  You then matched the application, fuel, oil, gas and if synthetic was required and then you came up with an applicable partnumber for an o ring that if you were lucky cost the right side (for you)  of $20.00. 
    Mike, Saywells (or its new owner) in the UK even has those old felt scrapper rings as well as every pommie, french (wash my mouth out, Airbus yuk yuk to the 10th power) and US  O ring manufacturers wares  known to man and forgotten by most.
    Just a thought for you to consider.
    This advice is applicable for any one who lives near an airport that has a repair facility, cause you'll definitely find what you need there.     
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    RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !

    How many people know about Bathurst and the circuit there????? 
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    ORIGINAL: mike early

    Just obtained a still new Saito 56. Unfortunately it did not come with any exhaust. I figured I had something that would fit, but apparently the 45, 50 and 56 are a different size muffler thread. 10x1mm. I was looking on Horizon site to buy something, but stumbled across this item:



    Muffler Adaptor Nut:KK by Saito Engines (SAI170R3130)

    It fits the 170R, which I presume has the 10x1mm exhaust threads. My question is what does it do? Allow 12x1mm muffler threads to be used?

    Yes, this allows a 12mm exhaust to be used in 10mm exhaust threads....
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