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Old 03-04-2015, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by aspeed
Maybe a header could be used for the .50 and a mouse can muffler. A bit lighter, less damage from crashes, and additional power from open exh, not to mention the loss from any muffler besides maybe the Jett types. Most Fox mufflers were designed in the 1970's when a muffler was not socially accepted, so they were not developed till the 90's which was after Dukes ruling. Don't tell me about Yugos. High maintenance for sure. I have been married to one for 35 years. ( I better not tell her that though) We never sold them in Canada, but had the Lada and Dacia which were bad news. I had a new Dodge Charger/Turismo type which I thought was good at the time. 50 mpg, and a nice ride. When I look back, it was bad, stranded a few times when it was still under warranty, shifter falling off.... Not a Dodge fan, but I just got a PT Cruiser now, and it seems much better quality than before.
Some of those Chryslers in the 70s and 80s were rebadged Mitsubishis. Nowadays, they are being merged with Fiat. We'll see how that ends up.
I used to be a VW guy, then I became a Ford guy. Now I am mentally transitioning to GM/Chevy.
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
Cougar, the MVVS 3245 for the .49 fits the Fox .56 and .50 perfectly.
That thing has so many after market parts on it, you can barely call it a Fox anymore!
Old 03-04-2015, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by hsukaria
Some of those Chryslers in the 70s and 80s were rebadged Mitsubishis. Nowadays, they are being merged with Fiat. We'll see how that ends up.
I used to be a VW guy, then I became a Ford guy. Now I am mentally transitioning to GM/Chevy.
Y'know I was never brand loyal in automobiles after I quit drag racing small block Chevys. Never understood why anyone would want to be so for normal driving. I've owned and driven just about every make of american car made in my lifetime. They all had good points and bad points but none were junk.

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Old 03-04-2015, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by vertical grimmace
That thing has so many after market parts on it, you can barely call it a Fox anymore!
I didn't notice the carb wasn't Fox either. Looks like an Irvine carb. I'm sure it has aftermarket bearings and piston ring too.
Old 03-04-2015, 12:44 PM
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I had a Fox 50, and if I wrote down what I called it.. and what I ended up doing with it.. P.E.T.A. might even be mad ! hahahah

It did come with a nice spinner though..
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Y'all are just too pessimistic. It's convertible with a few turns of some socket head screws. Pictured, it's turning a Bolly 10.5x6 at about 12,800 rpm on WildCat 5% Premium Extra. I'm out of it now.
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Old 03-04-2015, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hsukaria
You dislike the Fox engines for their shortcomings but you drive Chrysler products???!!! Those are the worst cars anywhere!!! You're better off with a Yugo.
Both my Jeep and Dakota are high mileage and have had almost no trouble. Better than my old Toyota, but also better than my old 93 Dodge Caravan, but the problem with it was the Mitsubishi engine.
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Originally Posted by Charley
Y'know I was never brand loyal in automobiles after I quit drag racing small block Chevys. Never understood why anyone would want to be so for normal driving. I've owned and driven just about every make of american car made in my lifetime. They all had good points and bad points but none were junk.

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I agree actually. The best part for drag racing small block Chevy's is the abundance of speed parts and often cheaper as well. Right now though GM has too many quality issues.
Old 03-04-2015, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Both my Jeep and Dakota are high mileage and have had almost no trouble. Better than my old Toyota, but also better than my old 93 Dodge Caravan, but the problem with it was the Mitsubishi engine.
You know what Mitsubishi means in English?..... Much Too *****
Old 03-04-2015, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
I agree actually. The best part for drag racing small block Chevy's is the abundance of speed parts and often cheaper as well. Right now though GM has too many quality issues.
The quality issues with GM are a few years old, just recently surfaced. The known issues at least are all corrected in present production vehicles. I can't say about unknown issues though. There's always a surprise, at least not much related with the bad airbags that other brands are dealing with now.
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
Y'all are just too pessimistic. It's convertible with a few turns of some socket head screws. Pictured, it's turning a Bolly 10.5x6 at about 12,800 rpm on WildCat 5% Premium Extra. I'm out of it now.
12,800 rpms isn't bad for a pokey engine. The MVVS muffler for my Fox 74 lost the back part, the second chamber. The rivets broke loose and I couldn't keep it on, even with JB Weld. I removed it and now it is a single chamber muffler. Still not bad. The last time I looked at Pe Reivers website, the MVVS mufflers had changed design.
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Not having seen this auto mentioned, my least favorite are Subarus. They have the worst cooling system. It does not matter old or new, they all overheat, warp heads, and always get hot. Also, who thought it was a good idea to replace a timing CHAIN, with a belt? Building in maintenance. Living in a snowing state, I will admit that they are great in the snow, but that does not matter if they are not running. I have owned 3, everyone in my family has owned one, and I have had a couple of girlfriends that had them.
The best vehicle I have had though is my 93 Chevy truck. 240,000 miles now. Still going strong. Got me to the Nats last year. I have replaced most things in it mechanically, but I can work on it, and it is straight forward. The clutch lasted 225,000 mi. and it is still the original 350.
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Originally Posted by vertical grimmace
Not having seen this auto mentioned, my least favorite are Subarus. They have the worst cooling system. It does not matter old or new, they all overheat, warp heads, and always get hot. Also, who thought it was a good idea to replace a timing CHAIN, with a belt? Building in maintenance. Living in a snowing state, I will admit that they are great in the snow, but that does not matter if they are not running. I have owned 3, everyone in my family has owned one, and I have had a couple of girlfriends that had them.
The best vehicle I have had though is my 93 Chevy truck. 240,000 miles now. Still going strong. Got me to the Nats last year. I have replaced most things in it mechanically, but I can work on it, and it is straight forward. The clutch lasted 225,000 mi. and it is still the original 350.
Yep, the trucks are a lot easier to work/maintain than the Front Wheel Drive cars, typically.
Old 03-04-2015, 06:01 PM
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I used to have a shirt that read (replace female anatomy with your own suitable word) If it has boobs or wheels, sooner or later it's gonna fall apart.

Completely off the subject... So sue me.
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Originally Posted by 1QwkSport2.5r
I used to have a shirt that read (replace female anatomy with your own suitable word) If it has boobs or wheels, sooner or later it's gonna fall apart.

Completely off the subject... So sue me.
We've been way off subject for a while.

But the weather is supposed to warm up around here next week (40 degF). Maybe I can start bench running my 3 new (old) Fox engines then, if it doesn't rain.
Old 03-04-2015, 07:45 PM
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We might see 50F by Wednesday next week. Got an Enya .15 clamped to my test stand... Need an hour or two to get it broke in. With my luck, I'll be stuck working 12hr days next week.. :
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Originally Posted by hsukaria
12,800 rpms isn't bad for a pokey engine. The MVVS muffler for my Fox 74 lost the back part, the second chamber. The rivets broke loose and I couldn't keep it on, even with JB Weld. I removed it and now it is a single chamber muffler. Still not bad. The last time I looked at Pe Reivers website, the MVVS mufflers had changed design.
I have an old one that will turn a 11/6 APC at about that speed with 5% fuel. It is soft on compression and the sleeve has a noticeable ridge. Not bad for an engine that weighs about the same as many .40 sized engines.
Old 03-05-2015, 05:54 AM
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Boy, things have gotten interesting here and I was only off for a few hours.

Hobbsy, can you you post a source for that muffler? Cannot locate anything with that number and hoping a supplier will be at the Toledo Show.

You guys bring back a lot of memories. I had my own auto shop through the 80's and have my own opinions. At the time I had a 74 Cougar with a PI 429 stuffed in it, (hence the avatar) a 74 Mustang II and 79 Jeep Cherokee-the big one with the indestructible Dana 44 axles- and along the way added a 72 Nova and 88 Escort, (for the oldest daughter).

As for domestic, during the 80's Chrysler engineering was at least 15 years behind in structures and suspension/brakes. GM tried too hard to get innovative and it came back to bite them a few times, (think the Chevette, Fiero and diesel 350). Ford had some decent engineering, but QC was below par. Unfortunately, we all had to suffer through the Pac Rim steel era.

ALL of them had some pretty ugly products, including trying to fake us out by rebadging POS into their top end category. That was fun!

Offshore products had us hands down on some issues. At the time the Japanese were sneaking in on durability any way they could. Some of the European stuff was pretty good as well, but again suffered QC issues, (think of the VW Fox in that half arrived here with no back brakes installed). It became obvious we had a lot of catching up to do.

If you want to talk of reliability, I would personally have gone and bought a Subaru or more likely a Volvo. In 10 years I could count the number of those I repaired on one hand.

Used to have reps come in trying to get me to be a local source for some of those offshore offerings, (Yugo, Lada and a few others come to mind). Easiest way to get rid of them was to bring them over to the catalog rack and ask them, "If you can find them listed in here I might be interested". I knew beforehand they weren't there yet.

As an aside, my father was involved early on in what became LADA, although at the time he did not know it.
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Cougar, the only person I can think that might have one still is Dar Zeelon or maybe David Owen. Owen shows up in the Diesel Forum now and then.

My wife currently drives a 2000 Mistubishi Galant, 145 cu in 145 hp, The engine is built like a farm tractor engine, it has equal length intake tubes that would suit a Mack 711.

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As for domestic, during the 80's Chrysler engineering was at least 15 years behind in structures and suspension/brakes. GM tried too hard to get innovative and it came back to bite them a few times, (think the Chevette, Fiero and diesel 350). Ford had some decent engineering, but QC was below par. Unfortunately, we all had to suffer through the Pac Rim steel era.
I believe some had brake problems but you are wrong about structure and suspension. Chrysler had one of the best unibody structure going and were the first to do so in the 50's. No sqeek and rattle from the body chassis connections. Trucks another matter. And back then the suspension was probably more advanced than other domestic manufactures with torsion bar springs. Maybe you are thinking of the trucks and Jeep which were behind at that time.
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Sorry for the Dupe.

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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
Cougar, the only person I can think that might have one still is Dar Zeelon or maybe David Owen. Owen shows up in the Diesel Forum now and then.

My wife currently drives a 2000 Mistubishi Galant, 145 cu in 145 hp, The engine is built like a farm tractor engine, it has equal length intake tubes that would suit a Mack 711.
Is Dar even on this earth,? I haven't seen a post from him for a very long time. I enjoyed his posts.
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Is Dar even on this earth,? I haven't seen a post from him for a very long time. I enjoyed his posts.
Either he got banned or got tired of being chewed out for being a jerk. He posts on RCG.
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Originally Posted by 1QwkSport2.5r
Either he got banned or got tired of being chewed out for being a jerk. He posts on RCG.


BTW Cougar, the VW Fox was built in Brazil from older VW designs. That might explain the missing rear brakes, built during siesta time.

The Ford Mustang II was a joke.
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Why is it that all of those Ford trucks and vans from the late 80's-90's would float all over the road? I would never by a Ford truck just for that reason alone. I like tight steering, like my Chevy.


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