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Old 07-06-2016, 07:32 AM
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I always remove both shields/seals from the rear bearing and one seal/shield from the front bearing and install the front so the shield is facing the prop driver. Oil will still get through the shields, but I see no reason to make it any harder for the oil to get in.
Old 07-06-2016, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 1QwkSport2.5r
I always remove both shields/seals from the rear bearing and one seal/shield from the front bearing and install the front so the shield is facing the prop driver. Oil will still get through the shields, but I see no reason to make it any harder for the oil to get in.
Is there a trick to removing the shields? Never had to do it before.
Old 07-06-2016, 08:31 AM
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Most bearings have a circlip on the outer race; holding the shield in. remove this and the shield will come out.
Old 07-06-2016, 08:46 AM
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I use the edge of an awl, Xacto knife, or even a utility knife blade. They usually pop right out. I have not come across a bearing that had a circlip that held the shield in, but that's not to say they cannot have them. The metal shields I've removed from bearings were crimped in such a way that they were a light friction fit inside the lip of the outer race. The rubber seals have been no different. Just use caution getting started so you don't knick the ball retainer.
Old 07-06-2016, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 1QwkSport2.5r
I use the edge of an awl, Xacto knife, or even a utility knife blade. They usually pop right out. I have not come across a bearing that had a circlip that held the shield in, but that's not to say they cannot have them. The metal shields I've removed from bearings were crimped in such a way that they were a light friction fit inside the lip of the outer race. The rubber seals have been no different. Just use caution getting started so you don't knick the ball retainer.
ok,thanks for the help
Old 07-06-2016, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 1QwkSport2.5r
I use the edge of an awl, Xacto knife, or even a utility knife blade. They usually pop right out. I have not come across a bearing that had a circlip that held the shield in, but that's not to say they cannot have them. The metal shields I've removed from bearings were crimped in such a way that they were a light friction fit inside the lip of the outer race. The rubber seals have been no different. Just use caution getting started so you don't knick the ball retainer.
I'm having a tough time with the shield removal. I can't see how it seats into the bearing and am worried about causing damage. Would I get away with good performance if I left all the shields on?
Old 07-06-2016, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by hsukaria
I'm having a tough time with the shield removal. I can't see how it seats into the bearing and am worried about causing damage. Would I get away with good performance if I left all the shields on?
I'll post pics of how I do it. It's not that hard, it takes patience and a little finesse. You run Fox engines, so you have the finesse to do this.
Old 07-06-2016, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 1QwkSport2.5r
I'll post pics of how I do it. It's not that hard, it takes patience and a little finesse. You run Fox engines, so you have the finesse to do this.
not sure about the finesse part, maybe I just don't know any better...
Old 07-06-2016, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by hsukaria
not sure about the finesse part, maybe I just don't know any better...
I took a video instead. Heres how I do it: https://youtu.be/9tKn4tJHtNg

The smaller 698 bearing I show in the video took less than 30 seconds for both shields. Some bigger bearings have a tighter fitting shield due to the overall size of the bearing. Some shields are easier to pop out from the inside of the outer race, but these two bearings were easier to get out from going in through the outside of the inner race.
Old 07-06-2016, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 1QwkSport2.5r
I took a video instead. Heres how I do it: https://youtu.be/9tKn4tJHtNg

The smaller 698 bearing I show in the video took less than 30 seconds for both shields. Some bigger bearings have a tighter fitting shield due to the overall size of the bearing. Some shields are easier to pop out from the inside of the outer race, but these two bearings were easier to get out from going in through the outside of the inner race.
Alright!!! That video got it. I was doing it wrong. I was trying from the outboard side. The bearings are now in the freezer and the crankcase in the oven. The engine should be fully assembled this evening.
Old 07-06-2016, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by hsukaria
Alright!!! That video got it. I was doing it wrong. I was trying from the outboard side. The bearings are now in the freezer and the crankcase in the oven. The engine should be fully assembled this evening.
Yeah, I think I originally said to try going in from the outside... Some bearings this works, others it's easier to go from the inside. It really depends. Glad they came out.
Old 07-06-2016, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 1QwkSport2.5r
Yeah, I think I originally said to try going in from the outside... Some bearings this works, others it's easier to go from the inside. It really depends. Glad they came out.
Me too. Thanks again.
Old 07-06-2016, 08:52 PM
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Well, the old heavily used and abused Fox 45 bearing replacement is done. The old bearings were bad. Besides allowing excessive axial play, the front bearing was scratchy.

Meanwhile, I purchased a BNIB Fox 45 a couple of weeks ago for a good price. That flag on the box makes all the difference to me.
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:32 PM
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another vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8wYATj-UlE
Old 07-07-2016, 04:07 PM
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Must give equal time to the Fox compact 40:

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Old 09-20-2016, 03:08 PM
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dangit, club fox is almost DEAD!!!!
Old 09-20-2016, 03:46 PM
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I'd love to post something new, but have left the Eagle IV powered F-15 on the rack till I can figure out some way to ensure reliable fuel delivery. With the corn around the field too tall to risk dead sticks things will remain that way till harvest.
Old 09-20-2016, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dammitman
dangit, club fox is almost DEAD!!!!
That might be a good thing, means there are no problems with the Fox engines out there.

My 2 airplanes that had the Fox engines are gone, one disintegrated from heavy use and the other I gave away. The engines are in storage. I have a Sig Kavalier kit that I plan to build one day and put a Fox 45 with a tuned pipe on it. Should scoot.
Old 09-20-2016, 05:53 PM
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i have been out of the hobby for several years now. as you can see my last posts were way back. i feel like i may be getting back an itch to fly. i have a pretty good collection of fox engines and really love to work with them. one of the last projects i had realized was a fox 120 twin on a big stick 60. it was so cool but real nose heavy. totally out of bounds.

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Old 09-20-2016, 06:08 PM
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I have been out of the hobby for several years now. as you can see my last posts were way back. i feel like i may be getting back an itch to fly.
You couldn't pick a better time to return the he hobby!

Winter is breathing down our necks, so you should have enough time to knock out another airplane before spring.

That stick 60 would probably fly great, with a 60-78 single cylinder engine!

Bill
Old 09-20-2016, 06:25 PM
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Welcome back to the club. Which Fox engines do you have? We have inquiring minds.
Old 09-20-2016, 07:20 PM
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I will be dusting off the FrankenFox this fall yet for another test bench romp. It's going to undergo some modifications to hopefully make it run like the true .42 she is..

I have a new to me .50 that needs a test running too - glow and diesel. This one shouldn't wear out 5 minutes after starting it hopefully.
Old 09-20-2016, 07:32 PM
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I will be bench running some engines this Fall also. All stock except one that I will run with a Waldro pump/regulator.
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Old 09-20-2016, 07:33 PM
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A Fox wearing out in 5 minutes of running? None that I ever had. I did have a .35 Stunt were out after about 40 flights, but that was flying off the sand at Wheelus AFB in Libya.
On the other hand, I had a .15 Schnuerle that needed about 12 starts with a screwdriver handle before I dared try it with a finger, and I have an Eagle 3 that took about 15 flight a year for 10 years to get broken in enough to start with a Sullivan starter and run out a full tank in the air.
But a Fox wearing out in 5 minutes? Unheard of, even with low oil.
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A Fox wearing out in 5 minutes of running? None that I ever had. I did have a .35 Stunt wore out after about 40 flights, but that was flying off the sand at Wheelus AFB in Libya.
On the other hand, I had a .15 Schnuerle that needed about 12 starts with a screwdriver handle before I dared try it with a finger, and I have an Eagle 3 that took about 15 flight a year for 10 years to get broken in enough to start with a Sullivan starter and run out a full tank in the air.
But a Fox wearing out in 5 minutes? Unheard of, even with low oil.

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