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Another method I've used to determine whether the idle mix is too rich or too lean is to compare the transition off idle both with and without the glow driver attached. If it's lean the glow driver will have little effect. If it's rich the glow driver will greatly increase the quality of the idle and the transition from idle.
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I got an ongoing love affair going on with ST engines. Lately I have been collecting discontinued Top Flite manifolds for their in-cowl mufflers. I love the ST .75 and plan to use this engine in several Top Flite Gold Edition warbirds. I have a .75 in a to be completed TF 182.
#1829
I tried installing a number six glow plug and that did nothing. Tried richening up the low speed which also was a fail. The engine still "hangs" when the throttle is closed to idle and won't idle more than a few seconds without quitting. Also has a hesitation when transitioning from idle or 1/4 throttle to WOT. It only runs decent at half or WOT. Any ideas? Or better yet is there somebody around Chicago who can lend me a hand in tuning it? BTW it is mounted sideways in the plane.
Last edited by AllModesR/C; 11-22-2015 at 03:56 PM.
#1832
The picture FDF posted is showing the carb from the bottom (the neck that fits into the engine) and is referring to how far the needle extends into the "cats eye" orifice. It sounds to me as though your needle settings are still out of whack or the carburetor is dirty.
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If you haven't already done it I would disassemble the carb and boil the metal parts then after drying completely reassemble with new "O" rings/seals. If the tank is accessible first pressurize it and submerge in water to check for leaks. Then you might replace the fuel lines, add tubing clamps or cable ties to prevent air bubbles, and install an inline fuel filter.
#1835
If you haven't already done it I would disassemble the carb and boil the metal parts then after drying completely reassemble with new "O" rings/seals. If the tank is accessible first pressurize it and submerge in water to check for leaks. Then you might replace the fuel lines, add tubing clamps or cable ties to prevent air bubbles, and install an inline fuel filter.
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Without knowing what markings are on the engine I can't tell you which carb it is but I would check the LHS to see if they have any stock ST parts. There are usually only two "O" rings, one where the body of the carb meets the engine and one for the idle needle. I buy most of my "O" rings at a local industrial gasket shop with a large selection you may be able to find replacements at an auto parts store. Take the old rings with you and try not to damage them in the removal. The S.T. website does have some exploded view you might compare with your carb.
#1837
Without knowing what markings are on the engine I can't tell you which carb it is but I would check the LHS to see if they have any stock ST parts. There are usually only two "O" rings, one where the body of the carb meets the engine and one for the idle needle. I buy most of my "O" rings at a local industrial gasket shop with a large selection you may be able to find replacements at an auto parts store. Take the old rings with you and try not to damage them in the removal. The S.T. website does have some exploded view you might compare with your carb.
#1838
I would work on it for you for free if you paid postage both ways. It's winter where I live and expecting more snow soon, so I may not get to run it for awhile...
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#1841
Going a different route with this post.
Working on an S40 for a fellow member here that had troubles adjusting it and getting it to run right. I've determined it to have the wrong idle mixture needle and the main needle is badly bent. The idle mixture needle is not visible at all in the discharge orifice in the spraybar even threaded all the way in. Because I do not know how many times the main needle has been bent (it is the bent-wire type needle valve - old style ST Mag carb), I do not feel comfortable trying to bend it straight again. It may work okay as-is, but the idle needle clearly needs to be replaced with the proper needle. It is clearly obvious why the engine did not run correctly. I'm not posting this to pick the owner apart - I'm posting this in an effort to source the proper needle so the engine will run properly for the owner.
If someone has an idle mixture needle that fits the old style carb (the idle needle is not recessed into the throttle arm as is done with the modern carburetors) and can part with it... Please let me know. The only ST carb I have of this older style is on an S29 and would be too small anyway; otherwise I'd take the needle off mine and put it on this fellows engine to get him operational.
Working on an S40 for a fellow member here that had troubles adjusting it and getting it to run right. I've determined it to have the wrong idle mixture needle and the main needle is badly bent. The idle mixture needle is not visible at all in the discharge orifice in the spraybar even threaded all the way in. Because I do not know how many times the main needle has been bent (it is the bent-wire type needle valve - old style ST Mag carb), I do not feel comfortable trying to bend it straight again. It may work okay as-is, but the idle needle clearly needs to be replaced with the proper needle. It is clearly obvious why the engine did not run correctly. I'm not posting this to pick the owner apart - I'm posting this in an effort to source the proper needle so the engine will run properly for the owner.
If someone has an idle mixture needle that fits the old style carb (the idle needle is not recessed into the throttle arm as is done with the modern carburetors) and can part with it... Please let me know. The only ST carb I have of this older style is on an S29 and would be too small anyway; otherwise I'd take the needle off mine and put it on this fellows engine to get him operational.
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This Super Tigre G-21 .46 had the long bent HS needle, as you can see I put a knob on it. Those needles usually had a collar on the end of the spray bar to seal and keep the needle from shaking and turning.
#1845
Some pics of the carburetor I speak of. First picture is a modern Mag V ST carb from a Italian GS45 ABC. Rest of the pictures are of the suspect S40 carb. You can see the needle in the first picture, but not in the second picture.
The spigot that goes into the engine is 14mm. I'm probably going to try sourcing a whole carb for this fellow. Both needle holders are bent and one detent clip for the low speed needle is broken.
The spigot that goes into the engine is 14mm. I'm probably going to try sourcing a whole carb for this fellow. Both needle holders are bent and one detent clip for the low speed needle is broken.
#1846
Edit: the low speed needle in the S40 carb is 19.5mm from base of brass thumbscrew to the tip of the needle. Pulling the low speed needle from my S90 shows a 26mm needle and is the proper length in the S40 carb.
Last edited by 1QwkSport2.5r; 12-08-2015 at 05:55 AM.
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#1849
I sent an email to Bruce through his website but didn't hear back. If he has a carb, I'll pick one up as a spare... In the mean time I found a parts engine that I'll buy and part out. Should be a win-win for everyone involved.