2 stroke vs 4 stroke
05-05-2007, 02:11 PM
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2 stroke vs 4 stroke
What are the advantages of the 4 stroke engines that would justify the cost? Can/could you compare them to the 2 strokes. What do you like or dislike about them or the 2 strokes. Thanks for your input.
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RE: 2 stroke vs 4 stroke
I like the sound of a four stroke. Most of my flying is done at half throttle or less. My four strokes run smoother, and are more responsive, at half throttle than my two stroke. Would that justify the price for everyone? Probably not, but it does for me.
05-05-2007, 03:04 PM
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Most people start out with 2strokes, but sooner or later you`re gonna treat yourself with a 4stroke and from there on you`ll get more fourstrokes. Why? Because they are more interesting, sound (music instead of noise), response, fuel efficiency, lighter than same cc 2 stroke.
05-05-2007, 04:08 PM
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I like the throttle response. If you fly 3D close to the ground like I do. The 4C will give you confidence. I know when I push the stick it will go. And go in a hurry. My first 4C was a Saito 72 about 4 years ago. It has never had a dead stick with fuel in the tank. I still fly it on a Fusion3D.
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05-05-2007, 06:12 PM
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Can you picture a Harley with a 2-stroke? (Rrrrrring-ding-ding-ding)
Personally anything above a 40 sized glow plane I use a 4-stroke in
120 size and up, I go gas
Why are they better? Sound, performance, sound, better fuel efficiency, sound, and a LOT less gunk left on the plane
And did I mention that they sound better?
Personally anything above a 40 sized glow plane I use a 4-stroke in
120 size and up, I go gas
Why are they better? Sound, performance, sound, better fuel efficiency, sound, and a LOT less gunk left on the plane
And did I mention that they sound better?
05-05-2007, 06:47 PM
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RE: 2 stroke vs 4 stroke
OK well let me look on the other side for the 4s. I have a saito 82 and do like it, however they vibrate/shake more, weigh more for similar power in many cases, and often require more nitro for power or better idle. While my 2s will run fine on 5% the saito needs 15% nitro to run smoother. Obviously they cost more too, and crash damage is more likely. ($$) Anyone dispute this? The positives are above.
A 2s often needs rpm to make a lot of power therefore they don't sound as nice. However they are light, very simple, durable, cost less and are easier to tune. Probably the best thing you can do is to buy a quality 2s engine, the better carb often making much of the difference between it and a cheaper engine.
A 2s often needs rpm to make a lot of power therefore they don't sound as nice. However they are light, very simple, durable, cost less and are easier to tune. Probably the best thing you can do is to buy a quality 2s engine, the better carb often making much of the difference between it and a cheaper engine.
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RE: 2 stroke vs 4 stroke
I LOVE my 4 stroke engines.
I LOVE my 2 stroke engines.
I had a few RC engines that I didn't love, and they are now GONE! (or sitting on the shelf)
Bottom line, if there was a definitive answer to this question -- "Are 4 strokes (or 2 strokes) better than 2 strokes (or 4 strokes)?" -- one type would come out ahead, and the other type would not continue to be made. You make your choice, and buy whichever type you decide on. You'll probably be happy with your choice, because it is YOUR CHOICE......
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I just thought of this, and felt it might be enlightening. I DO love my 2s, but I currently only own three of them, and that includes one that is sitting on a shelf. The last six engines I bought were all 4s. Why did I pay more for my last six engines to get 4s? Perhaps I DO love 4s more??
I LOVE my 2 stroke engines.
I had a few RC engines that I didn't love, and they are now GONE! (or sitting on the shelf)
Bottom line, if there was a definitive answer to this question -- "Are 4 strokes (or 2 strokes) better than 2 strokes (or 4 strokes)?" -- one type would come out ahead, and the other type would not continue to be made. You make your choice, and buy whichever type you decide on. You'll probably be happy with your choice, because it is YOUR CHOICE......
Edited to add this:
I just thought of this, and felt it might be enlightening. I DO love my 2s, but I currently only own three of them, and that includes one that is sitting on a shelf. The last six engines I bought were all 4s. Why did I pay more for my last six engines to get 4s? Perhaps I DO love 4s more??
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RE: 2 stroke vs 4 stroke
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OK well let me look on the other side for the 4s. I have a saito 82 and do like it, however they vibrate/shake more, weigh more for similar power in many cases, and often require more nitro for power or better idle. While my 2s will run fine on 5% the saito needs 15% nitro to run smoother.
OK well let me look on the other side for the 4s. I have a saito 82 and do like it, however they vibrate/shake more, weigh more for similar power in many cases, and often require more nitro for power or better idle. While my 2s will run fine on 5% the saito needs 15% nitro to run smoother.
Obviously they cost more too, and crash damage is more likely. ($$) Anyone dispute this?
I've smacked a Saito 100 into the ground from a couple of hundred feet when the battery wire broke. It was burried so deep you could only just see the intake manifold -- everything else was well underground.
I think the total cost to repair was about $10 for a set of pushrod tubes.
If that'd been a 2-stroke, the carb would have been toasted ($40-80) and chances are that the crankcase would have also cracked or broken where the carb attaches (borderline uneconomic to repair at all).
The good thing about 4-strokes is that the carby is behind the motor.
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RE: 2 stroke vs 4 stroke
Actually, I owned about 4 different two stroke Harleys when I was a kid, a 1.25 called the Hummer, (2) 165s called STs and a 175 called the Pacer. My first cycle was a 200cc flathead, single cylinder, 3 speed Indian, almost no one knows they even sold one.
XJet, Saitos run just fine on 5% nitro also.
XJet, Saitos run just fine on 5% nitro also.
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RE: 2 stroke vs 4 stroke
I fly ALL two strokes from .049s to DA 50s and all in between
and they work fine for myself...
I also fly quite HARD doing mostly 3d...
and they work fine for myself...
I also fly quite HARD doing mostly 3d...
05-06-2007, 01:44 PM
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Actually, I owned about 4 different two stroke Harleys when I was a kid, a 1.25 called the Hummer, (2) 1.65s called STs and a 1.75 called the Pacer. My first cycle was a 200cc flathead, single cylinder, 3 speed Indian, almost no one knows they even sold one.
XJet, Saitos run just fine on 5% nitro also.
Actually, I owned about 4 different two stroke Harleys when I was a kid, a 1.25 called the Hummer, (2) 1.65s called STs and a 1.75 called the Pacer. My first cycle was a 200cc flathead, single cylinder, 3 speed Indian, almost no one knows they even sold one.
XJet, Saitos run just fine on 5% nitro also.
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But not as well as they did before the compression ratio was lowered to accomodate the nitro-freaks.
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05-06-2007, 08:58 PM
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RE: 2 stroke vs 4 stroke
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With nitromethane costing around NZ$25 per liter, I run my Saitos on 10% nitro and they are real smooth and strong. Saitos may perform better on higher nitro but they don't *need* it to perform well.
Yep, me :0)
I've smacked a Saito 100 into the ground from a couple of hundred feet when the battery wire broke. It was burried so deep you could only just see the intake manifold -- everything else was well underground.
I think the total cost to repair was about $10 for a set of pushrod tubes.
If that'd been a 2-stroke, the carb would have been toasted ($40-80) and chances are that the crankcase would have also cracked or broken where the carb attaches (borderline uneconomic to repair at all).
The good thing about 4-strokes is that the carby is behind the motor.
With nitromethane costing around NZ$25 per liter, I run my Saitos on 10% nitro and they are real smooth and strong. Saitos may perform better on higher nitro but they don't *need* it to perform well.
Yep, me :0)
I've smacked a Saito 100 into the ground from a couple of hundred feet when the battery wire broke. It was burried so deep you could only just see the intake manifold -- everything else was well underground.
I think the total cost to repair was about $10 for a set of pushrod tubes.
If that'd been a 2-stroke, the carb would have been toasted ($40-80) and chances are that the crankcase would have also cracked or broken where the carb attaches (borderline uneconomic to repair at all).
The good thing about 4-strokes is that the carby is behind the motor.
