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01-14-2010, 11:38 AM
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A few of you will notice that your posts were either deleted in full, or were edited due to flaming and name calling. If you feel like doing those things, take a deep breath, count to 1000, go run your favorite engine for a while, kick the wife, or whatever before letting your fingers run rampant on your keyboards.
01-14-2010, 12:25 PM
#52
RE: Evolution Engines and the lack of parts support by Horizon!
I have not bent the truth whatsoever in this thread.
I am glad the prices are very cheap if and when you are able to get the parts. This thread was started do to the fact that none of the parts specific to the .60NX are available at this time. I have another NEW .60NX for parts that should be arrving today or tommorow to fall back on encase my experiment does not work. I would never even think twice about attempting to modd an OS or other high priced engine since the price of the sleeve would not warrant the experiment. The price for the .60NX (TRUE ABC Cylinder/Piston is $26.00), while the price of a OS .55AX ABL Cylinder/Piston is $90.00, and you would take the chance of the Nickel dipping peeling.
Evolution .60NX Parts that are Backorderd
BB, Rear (Open Race): 52NX, 60NX
$7.99 [EVO052110]
Back Ordered
Screw Set, Engine: 52NX, 60NX
$2.99 [EVO052901]
Back Ordered
-
Crankcase: 60NX
$14.40 [EVO060101]
Back Ordered
Cylinder Head: 60NX
$4.71 [EVO060103]
Back Ordered
Cylinder Head Shim: 60NX
$0.31 [EVO060112]
Back Ordered
Cylinder Liner and Piston Set (ABC): 60NX
$26.19 [EVO060203]
Back Ordered
Gasket Set (Engine): 60NX
$0.47 [EVO060416]
Back Ordered
Complete Carburetor: 60NX
$31.43 [EVO060801]
Back Ordered
Carburetor Body and Spray Bar: 60NX
$8.38 [EVO060863]
Back Ordered
Muffler-E46601:A
$14.24 [EVO100601]
Back Ordered
I am glad the prices are very cheap if and when you are able to get the parts. This thread was started do to the fact that none of the parts specific to the .60NX are available at this time. I have another NEW .60NX for parts that should be arrving today or tommorow to fall back on encase my experiment does not work. I would never even think twice about attempting to modd an OS or other high priced engine since the price of the sleeve would not warrant the experiment. The price for the .60NX (TRUE ABC Cylinder/Piston is $26.00), while the price of a OS .55AX ABL Cylinder/Piston is $90.00, and you would take the chance of the Nickel dipping peeling.
Evolution .60NX Parts that are Backorderd
BB, Rear (Open Race): 52NX, 60NX
$7.99 [EVO052110]
Back Ordered
Screw Set, Engine: 52NX, 60NX
$2.99 [EVO052901]
Back Ordered
-
Crankcase: 60NX
$14.40 [EVO060101]
Back Ordered
Cylinder Head: 60NX
$4.71 [EVO060103]
Back Ordered
Cylinder Head Shim: 60NX
$0.31 [EVO060112]
Back Ordered
Cylinder Liner and Piston Set (ABC): 60NX
$26.19 [EVO060203]
Back Ordered
Gasket Set (Engine): 60NX
$0.47 [EVO060416]
Back Ordered
Complete Carburetor: 60NX
$31.43 [EVO060801]
Back Ordered
Carburetor Body and Spray Bar: 60NX
$8.38 [EVO060863]
Back Ordered
Muffler-E46601:A
$14.24 [EVO100601]
Back Ordered
01-14-2010, 01:31 PM
#53
RE: Evolution Engines and the lack of parts support by Horizon!
I would never even think twice about attempting to modd an OS or other high priced engine
Just play'n with you. I look forward to seeing the results of your experiment.
01-14-2010, 02:06 PM
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RE: Evolution Engines and the lack of parts support by Horizon!
Same here, I would especially like to see a comparison of the Evo 60NX next to the OS 55-AX. I bought an OS 55-AX last year just to see what all the fuss was about, I could have bought 2 cheapies for that price. Oh well, temporarily loss of sanity.
01-14-2010, 03:04 PM
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RE: Evolution Engines and the lack of parts support by Horizon!
ORIGINAL: blw
A few of you will notice that your posts were either deleted in full, or were edited due to flaming and name calling. If you feel like doing those things, take a deep breath, count to 1000, go run your favorite engine for a while, kick the wife, or whatever before letting your fingers run rampant on your keyboards.
A few of you will notice that your posts were either deleted in full, or were edited due to flaming and name calling. If you feel like doing those things, take a deep breath, count to 1000, go run your favorite engine for a while, kick the wife, or whatever before letting your fingers run rampant on your keyboards.
Oh, thank you, finally a PC, sensitive approach to our anger management problem. I am happy for you that you did not say "...kick the dog..." or you would have PETA, ASPCA, and probably the NRA on your sorry butt. I may not know engines like you presume to, but I hope to be more sensitive to real world issues. I am glad my wife does not read this forum, or I would have to exercise controls to prevent that from happening (maybe I should kick her into submission). You, sir, have lost all of your credibilty with me (not that you would even care).
01-14-2010, 03:21 PM
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RE: Evolution Engines and the lack of parts support by Horizon!
I ran into a similiar problem with the .61nx motor. I bought it ran it for about 2 months then the carb went out on it. I had to wait 5 months to get a replacement and ended up just buying a O.S. instead. When O.S. has a motor on the market even a new one you can get parts for it. To be honest i dont have much faith in horizon hobby they have been nice to me and tried to work out my issues but There products have went down hill. Example.... hangar 9 p-47 thunderbolt 60 arf v/s topflite's new p-47 thunderbolt arf. No comparison in quality and even though the new mustang is nice teh same quality has been around for years with other manufactures. Nice company but not so good products. Stick with O.S. motors and you will not go wrong. Besides Evolution engines are essentialy made by Saine in china which also makes ASP and Magnum..just my 2 cents
01-14-2010, 03:33 PM
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I agree that there might be cheaper engines out there that might be as good as Evolutions, but this particular model, the 60NX is the largest of the ones that fit into a 40-size mount. That is the culmination of a long trend to get the largest displacement in for a class of engine. Just about all the engine brands have their version: OS with the 55-AX, Super Tigre with the G-51, the list goes on. This engine, the EVO 60NX is the biggest so far for the 40-size mounting. And I can see why Motorman is doing this, this is something big and unique. That is also why a lot of us are interested to find out the results of his testing.
01-14-2010, 05:07 PM
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For me in the 60 size, the best bang for the buck is the Tower Hobbies 75 at $110.00 which is $40.00 cheaper than the EVO. I bought a 60 sized EVO a few years ago and could never get it to run properly. When it did run the rpms were also rather disappointing. Considering that its not a cheapy engine price wise I was doubly disappointed. Won't buy another. [>:]
01-14-2010, 05:31 PM
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Good point about the Tower .75, Fastguy. That is also a great engine for this thread since they were pretty much unobtainium for a long time last year.
There was a few batches of the Evo .61s that shipped out without o rings under the carb, and that caused the millions of headaches you would expect. Otherwise, they are pretty good engines. Far too many people run them with cold plugs and performance suffers a lot.
There was a few batches of the Evo .61s that shipped out without o rings under the carb, and that caused the millions of headaches you would expect. Otherwise, they are pretty good engines. Far too many people run them with cold plugs and performance suffers a lot.
01-14-2010, 06:18 PM
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RE: Evolution Engines and the lack of parts support by Horizon!
This is news to me. I have an Evo .40 trainer power system. After almost a year, it threw the rod...broke what is its equivalent to a wrist pin. Destroyed the engine from the inside. I spoke with them on the phone, and they asked me to send it to them. I did, and about a week later they called and said that a new one was on its way to me at no cost.
I believe that this being a new engine, parts supplies havent built up to normal yet. If you look at any new item, you cant get parts for it for the first few months, and sometimes longer. This isnt necessarily specific to evolution. Im not defending them, but I am stating that this is pretty much standard for a new model of anything.
TonyG
I believe that this being a new engine, parts supplies havent built up to normal yet. If you look at any new item, you cant get parts for it for the first few months, and sometimes longer. This isnt necessarily specific to evolution. Im not defending them, but I am stating that this is pretty much standard for a new model of anything.
TonyG
01-14-2010, 07:35 PM
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RE: Evolution Engines and the lack of parts support by Horizon!
ORIGINAL: hsukaria
I agree that there might be cheaper engines out there that might be as good as Evolutions, but this particular model, the 60NX is the largest of the ones that fit into a 40-size mount. That is the culmination of a long trend to get the largest displacement in for a class of engine. Just about all the engine brands have their version: OS with the 55-AX, Super Tigre with the G-51, the list goes on. This engine, the EVO 60NX is the biggest so far for the 40-size mounting. And I can see why Motorman is doing this, this is something big and unique. That is also why a lot of us are interested to find out the results of his testing.
I agree that there might be cheaper engines out there that might be as good as Evolutions, but this particular model, the 60NX is the largest of the ones that fit into a 40-size mount. That is the culmination of a long trend to get the largest displacement in for a class of engine. Just about all the engine brands have their version: OS with the 55-AX, Super Tigre with the G-51, the list goes on. This engine, the EVO 60NX is the biggest so far for the 40-size mounting. And I can see why Motorman is doing this, this is something big and unique. That is also why a lot of us are interested to find out the results of his testing.
01-14-2010, 07:40 PM
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ORIGINAL: Fastsky
For me in the 60 size, the best bang for the buck is the Tower Hobbies 75 at $110.00 which is $40.00 cheaper than the EVO. I bought a 60 sized EVO a few years ago and could never get it to run properly. When it did run the rpms were also rather disappointing. Considering that its not a cheapy engine price wise I was doubly disappointed. Won't buy another. [>:]
For me in the 60 size, the best bang for the buck is the Tower Hobbies 75 at $110.00 which is $40.00 cheaper than the EVO. I bought a 60 sized EVO a few years ago and could never get it to run properly. When it did run the rpms were also rather disappointing. Considering that its not a cheapy engine price wise I was doubly disappointed. Won't buy another. [>:]
01-14-2010, 07:43 PM
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ORIGINAL: tonyg11780
This is news to me. I have an Evo .40 trainer power system. After almost a year, it threw the rod...broke what is its equivalent to a wrist pin. Destroyed the engine from the inside. I spoke with them on the phone, and they asked me to send it to them. I did, and about a week later they called and said that a new one was on its way to me at no cost.
I believe that this being a new engine, parts supplies havent built up to normal yet. If you look at any new item, you cant get parts for it for the first few months, and sometimes longer. This isnt necessarily specific to evolution. Im not defending them, but I am stating that this is pretty much standard for a new model of anything.
TonyG
This is news to me. I have an Evo .40 trainer power system. After almost a year, it threw the rod...broke what is its equivalent to a wrist pin. Destroyed the engine from the inside. I spoke with them on the phone, and they asked me to send it to them. I did, and about a week later they called and said that a new one was on its way to me at no cost.
I believe that this being a new engine, parts supplies havent built up to normal yet. If you look at any new item, you cant get parts for it for the first few months, and sometimes longer. This isnt necessarily specific to evolution. Im not defending them, but I am stating that this is pretty much standard for a new model of anything.
TonyG
How long have you been in the Hobby? This is not standard in the hobby to have parts following a few months later.
This might be Horizons policy, but not the policy of most of the companies.The only reason I am taking a chance on them is because of there size and displacement.
01-14-2010, 07:46 PM
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RE: Evolution Engines and the lack of parts support by Horizon!
ORIGINAL: blw
Good point about the Tower .75, Fastguy. That is also a great engine for this thread since they were pretty much unobtainium for a long time last year.
There was a few batches of the Evo .61s that shipped out without o rings under the carb, and that caused the millions of headaches you would expect. Otherwise, they are pretty good engines. Far too many people run them with cold plugs and performance suffers a lot.
Good point about the Tower .75, Fastguy. That is also a great engine for this thread since they were pretty much unobtainium for a long time last year.
There was a few batches of the Evo .61s that shipped out without o rings under the carb, and that caused the millions of headaches you would expect. Otherwise, they are pretty good engines. Far too many people run them with cold plugs and performance suffers a lot.
For the most part, parts were still available. Some were in limited supplies though. I have run over 13 gallons through one of my .75's and it has never needed 1 part.
01-14-2010, 09:05 PM
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Well I recieved my new engine today! Now I have a parts engine if it don't work out. Now I have to figure out what parts to keep, and what to get rid of. I know the stock mufflers are going.
Now I have to figure out what parts to keep, and what to get rid of. I know the stock mufflers are going.
01-14-2010, 09:08 PM
#68
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ORIGINAL: pitstop000
Motorman37,
Have you gotten any timing numbers on the sleeve and crank?
Are you planning any crank work?
Motorman37,
Have you gotten any timing numbers on the sleeve and crank?
Are you planning any crank work?
I have never tried to check the timing of a 2 stroke. Show me a link how too, and I will check it. I do not plan on doing anything with the crank. What do ya think of the pic's of the sleeve? Do you think it will grenade at the bottom, since there really is no meat there. I am worried when the piston is @ BDC when approx 1/4" of skirt is sticking out of the sleeve.
01-14-2010, 09:11 PM
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RE: Evolution Engines and the lack of parts support by Horizon!
Bang for the buck in this class of engines, would probaly have to go the Magnum .52XLS. It is on sale currently for $69.00 @ Hobby People. That engine will run with a OS .55AX all day long, and not break the bank.
It however is not a .60, and the EVO is.
It however is not a .60, and the EVO is.
01-14-2010, 09:22 PM
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RE: Evolution Engines and the lack of parts support by Horizon!
Gentlemen
One other consideration that should be put into thought is that along with manufacturing new engines and production numbers trying to be meet we are coming off the holidays. There physical year could have started over in January and must company pass out bonuses. Plant management would be entitled to that bonus. If inventory is down the plant looks more profitable because of less over head. So this could be one of the other factors you are up against..
When speaking about Horizon I myself have found there website to be poorly set up and unorganized, when it come to locating certain items. They site puts you on everything but you are looking for. If there office is run like the website I can understand why somethings are unavailable for months. I purchased a Saito 90 ts from a local hobby store last year payed more money for it but was told by Horizon that they were on back order for several months when I tried to buy it online. The store that I purchased it at called Horizon and had it to me 4 days later.. So don't beat yourself up over the corporate games that are played at your expense..
Good luck hope your engine gets repaired....
One other consideration that should be put into thought is that along with manufacturing new engines and production numbers trying to be meet we are coming off the holidays. There physical year could have started over in January and must company pass out bonuses. Plant management would be entitled to that bonus. If inventory is down the plant looks more profitable because of less over head. So this could be one of the other factors you are up against..
When speaking about Horizon I myself have found there website to be poorly set up and unorganized, when it come to locating certain items. They site puts you on everything but you are looking for. If there office is run like the website I can understand why somethings are unavailable for months. I purchased a Saito 90 ts from a local hobby store last year payed more money for it but was told by Horizon that they were on back order for several months when I tried to buy it online. The store that I purchased it at called Horizon and had it to me 4 days later.. So don't beat yourself up over the corporate games that are played at your expense..
Good luck hope your engine gets repaired....
01-14-2010, 09:51 PM
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[quote]ORIGINAL: WarbirdII
Gentlemen
One other consideration that should be put into thought is that along with manufacturing new engines and production numbers trying to be meet we are coming off the holidays. There physical year could have started over in January and must company pass out bonuses. Plant management would be entitled to that bonus. If inventory is down the plant looks more profitable because of less over head. So this could be one of the other factors you are up against..
When speaking about Horizon I myself have found there website to be poorly set up and unorganized, when it come to locating certain items. They site puts you on everything but you are looking for. If there office is run like the website I can understand why somethings are unavailable for months. I purchased a Saito 90 ts from a local hobby store last year payed more money for it but was told by Horizon that they were on back order for several months when I tried to buy it online. The store that I purchased it at called Horizon and had it to me 4 days later.. So don't beat yourself up over the corporate games that are played at your expense..
Good luck hope your engine gets repaired....
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If you would have read the previous posts, my engine does not have to get repaired. I am experimenting with a NEW Engine on the market, and would like some extra parts to work with. I just bought a spare, so I do not have t o play there games. I can take off what I want, and sell the rest of the parts to other people.
01-14-2010, 10:30 PM
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Oh, thank you, finally a PC, sensitive approach to our anger management problem. I am happy for you that you did not say ''...kick the dog...'' or you would have PETA, ASPCA, and probably the NRA on your sorry butt. I may not know engines like you presume to, but I hope to be more sensitive to real world issues. I am glad my wife does not read this forum, or I would have to exercise controls to prevent that from happening (maybe I should kick her into submission). You, sir, have lost all of your credibilty with me (not that you would even care).
ORIGINAL: blw
A few of you will notice that your posts were either deleted in full, or were edited due to flaming and name calling. If you feel like doing those things, take a deep breath, count to 1000, go run your favorite engine for a while, kick the wife, or whatever before letting your fingers run rampant on your keyboards.
A few of you will notice that your posts were either deleted in full, or were edited due to flaming and name calling. If you feel like doing those things, take a deep breath, count to 1000, go run your favorite engine for a while, kick the wife, or whatever before letting your fingers run rampant on your keyboards.
Oh, thank you, finally a PC, sensitive approach to our anger management problem. I am happy for you that you did not say ''...kick the dog...'' or you would have PETA, ASPCA, and probably the NRA on your sorry butt. I may not know engines like you presume to, but I hope to be more sensitive to real world issues. I am glad my wife does not read this forum, or I would have to exercise controls to prevent that from happening (maybe I should kick her into submission). You, sir, have lost all of your credibilty with me (not that you would even care).
01-14-2010, 11:00 PM
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ORIGINAL: scott17
Democrat, I presume...?
ORIGINAL: spaceworm
Oh, thank you, finally a PC, sensitive approach to our anger management problem. I am happy for you that you did not say ''...kick the dog...'' or you would have PETA, ASPCA, and probably the NRA on your sorry butt. I may not know engines like you presume to, but I hope to be more sensitive to real world issues. I am glad my wife does not read this forum, or I would have to exercise controls to prevent that from happening (maybe I should kick her into submission). You, sir, have lost all of your credibilty with me (not that you would even care).
ORIGINAL: blw
A few of you will notice that your posts were either deleted in full, or were edited due to flaming and name calling. If you feel like doing those things, take a deep breath, count to 1000, go run your favorite engine for a while, kick the wife, or whatever before letting your fingers run rampant on your keyboards.
A few of you will notice that your posts were either deleted in full, or were edited due to flaming and name calling. If you feel like doing those things, take a deep breath, count to 1000, go run your favorite engine for a while, kick the wife, or whatever before letting your fingers run rampant on your keyboards.
Oh, thank you, finally a PC, sensitive approach to our anger management problem. I am happy for you that you did not say ''...kick the dog...'' or you would have PETA, ASPCA, and probably the NRA on your sorry butt. I may not know engines like you presume to, but I hope to be more sensitive to real world issues. I am glad my wife does not read this forum, or I would have to exercise controls to prevent that from happening (maybe I should kick her into submission). You, sir, have lost all of your credibilty with me (not that you would even care).
I am proud to be a Democrat.
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ORIGINAL: MOTORMAN37
I have never tried to check the timing of a 2 stroke. Show me a link how too, and I will check it. I do not plan on doing anything with the crank. What do ya think of the pic's of the sleeve? Do you think it will grenade at the bottom, since there really is no meat there. I am worried when the piston is @ BDC when approx 1/4'' of skirt is sticking out of the sleeve.
ORIGINAL: pitstop000
Motorman37,
Have you gotten any timing numbers on the sleeve and crank?
Are you planning any crank work?
Motorman37,
Have you gotten any timing numbers on the sleeve and crank?
Are you planning any crank work?
I have never tried to check the timing of a 2 stroke. Show me a link how too, and I will check it. I do not plan on doing anything with the crank. What do ya think of the pic's of the sleeve? Do you think it will grenade at the bottom, since there really is no meat there. I am worried when the piston is @ BDC when approx 1/4'' of skirt is sticking out of the sleeve.
The only one in focus was the last one with the engine assembled and muffler attached.
sorry i'll shut up now