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Thanks Mike
You betcha Robert. With as big as these things are if they don't hang straight, well, it pays to be anal.
Decided to machine part of the air foil on the fairing. Sanding all that in and keeping them symmetrical seemed daunting.
So first I picked a proximity air foil from Compu foil and tweaked the dimensions to fit the fairing. I then put a round over on the leading edges. Making sure it left enough to sand in. Then built a tray to hold both faring's with the outer rails the profile of the back of the airfoil. Then set up a router with a long plate to ride those rails. Once one face was machined, they were flipped over with the trailing edge shimmed up to 1/2 inch center. Then side two was cut.
Then a leading edge sanding block was fashioned and the front profile was sanded in.
Then with just a little sanding they were ready to attach to the wheel pants.
I used epoxy to glue them down.
I tacked a couple of stand offs to the trailing edge to keep it's center 1/2 inch off the jig plane.
Kevin
You betcha Robert. With as big as these things are if they don't hang straight, well, it pays to be anal.
Decided to machine part of the air foil on the fairing. Sanding all that in and keeping them symmetrical seemed daunting.
So first I picked a proximity air foil from Compu foil and tweaked the dimensions to fit the fairing. I then put a round over on the leading edges. Making sure it left enough to sand in. Then built a tray to hold both faring's with the outer rails the profile of the back of the airfoil. Then set up a router with a long plate to ride those rails. Once one face was machined, they were flipped over with the trailing edge shimmed up to 1/2 inch center. Then side two was cut.
Then a leading edge sanding block was fashioned and the front profile was sanded in.
Then with just a little sanding they were ready to attach to the wheel pants.
I used epoxy to glue them down.
I tacked a couple of stand offs to the trailing edge to keep it's center 1/2 inch off the jig plane.
Kevin
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Steve, thanks.
I really am enjoying the journey. Feel like a kid .
Intersecting curves, It don't get much cooler. This bird has a lot of cool lines.
Robert, Had to google Gabriel.
At first I thought you spoke of the Archangel. Silly me, Fluffy is nothing like him.
Kevin
I really am enjoying the journey. Feel like a kid .
Intersecting curves, It don't get much cooler. This bird has a lot of cool lines.
Robert, Had to google Gabriel.
At first I thought you spoke of the Archangel. Silly me, Fluffy is nothing like him.
Kevin
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Epoxy is set so the dog house has been taken away. I will use the dog house to get the wire bends for the gear correct.
I do wish I had made the nubs a little shorter, but oh well to late for that now. Next up will be the fillets around the nubs.
Then glass and primer.
Kevin
I do wish I had made the nubs a little shorter, but oh well to late for that now. Next up will be the fillets around the nubs.
Then glass and primer.
Kevin
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Thank you Mike.
Well I think the spats are ready for primer.
Earlier this weak they got glassed. I glassed them before doing the fillets to harden the MDF so as to not sand ruts in it while sanding the fillets.
This worked very well excepting a couple minor abrasions.
When I prime them the hub caps and spats will be primed separately until all the sins are atoned for. Once everything is right hub caps will go back on and then final priming. The reason for this is I want the cap ridge to get toned down just a little but not washed out with multiple prime coats.
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Well I think the spats are ready for primer.
Earlier this weak they got glassed. I glassed them before doing the fillets to harden the MDF so as to not sand ruts in it while sanding the fillets.
This worked very well excepting a couple minor abrasions.
When I prime them the hub caps and spats will be primed separately until all the sins are atoned for. Once everything is right hub caps will go back on and then final priming. The reason for this is I want the cap ridge to get toned down just a little but not washed out with multiple prime coats.
Kevin
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In the second pic the taper or arch of the fillets look to be different between them. Of course it is probably just the camera, lighting, and angles. Has to be with as much superb workmanship you put into them.
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Thanks Steve,
You are correct Robert. That's the reason I was anxious to get them in primer. After sanding and sanding and more sanding everything begins to blur.
So now they are in primer. When they dry they will get a good eyeballing. Right now I am pleasantly surprised, there is just a little blending to do on the spats.
More so to do on the hub caps. Happy I am so far.
Next up wax on wax off Danielson
Then more primer.
Kevin
You are correct Robert. That's the reason I was anxious to get them in primer. After sanding and sanding and more sanding everything begins to blur.
So now they are in primer. When they dry they will get a good eyeballing. Right now I am pleasantly surprised, there is just a little blending to do on the spats.
More so to do on the hub caps. Happy I am so far.
Next up wax on wax off Danielson
Then more primer.
Kevin
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And happy you should be, if not for me no one would have noticed the difference. But you and I are of the same, we see thing's that are wrong before we see what's right. And funny thing is, sometimes we can't identify what's wrong, we just know something is. Suck's, don't it!
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Robert,
I'm much better than I used to be when I was younger. Back then I was anal, now just Buttocky.
Well did a lot of sanding this afternoon. Sanded up the first spat and cap, then said to myself. (I' am sic of this).
Then took a nap. Saw someone else's progress and it motivated me to get off my keester and sand up the other one.
That's one of the great things about these forums. They can motivate you to get going.
Both spats and caps were sanded separately. Once that was done the caps were permanently mounted to the spats.
Then they were flipped over and the bottoms of the caps were filled in to make a nice plane to the wheel cut out.
Next they will get there final coat of primer, and that coat will get buffed up. Once buffed, that center donut on the bottom will get cut out.
My wheels came this week, so
And here they are all sanded up. Accept for the very top of the fairing nubs. This part will get sanded with the fairing on (yet to be done) so as to keep the planes the same with no sanding tapper.
Kevin
I'm much better than I used to be when I was younger. Back then I was anal, now just Buttocky.
Well did a lot of sanding this afternoon. Sanded up the first spat and cap, then said to myself. (I' am sic of this).
Then took a nap. Saw someone else's progress and it motivated me to get off my keester and sand up the other one.
That's one of the great things about these forums. They can motivate you to get going.
Both spats and caps were sanded separately. Once that was done the caps were permanently mounted to the spats.
Then they were flipped over and the bottoms of the caps were filled in to make a nice plane to the wheel cut out.
Next they will get there final coat of primer, and that coat will get buffed up. Once buffed, that center donut on the bottom will get cut out.
My wheels came this week, so
And here they are all sanded up. Accept for the very top of the fairing nubs. This part will get sanded with the fairing on (yet to be done) so as to keep the planes the same with no sanding tapper.
Kevin
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Ok!! Now I have a sinus full of tea. I have been called many things but buttocky is far from one of them so you own that one all by yourself!!!!! But, as you I too have become better. I think age has something to do with it, or the fact we might not be quite as able to defend ourselves at our age.....
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Golly! Wow!! Gee Whiz!!! It's people like you, Robert, Vincent, Anthony... and the list goes on... that make me want to give up. You set the bar way too high!!! Impressive work there Kevin!
(Finally getting caught up again.)
(Finally getting caught up again.)
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David, you have to understand, we were not always capable of the things we do. But through persistence, patience, and the pursuit of perfection we have learned a thing or two. My grandfather use to tell me, "one learns many things through failure", and I learned a lot! LOL
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Thank you David
I would just like to add to what Robert said.
Most people never experience there full potential. They tell themselves they can't or settle for where they are.
I know I never saw my full potential with school. For the reasons above.
If you see something you would like to do and there are no physical walls in the way (financial, time, wife that would divorce you if you did, etc.......)
Then research it (anything you want to know is on the net) then commence doing it. First time might not be great. This is when sicktoittivity comes in play.
Also stay away from "fear of failure". You have to kiss that demon on the lips, then send him packing.
So go out and try a new technique on your next or current build. Something tells me you will be glad you did.
Kevin
I would just like to add to what Robert said.
Most people never experience there full potential. They tell themselves they can't or settle for where they are.
I know I never saw my full potential with school. For the reasons above.
If you see something you would like to do and there are no physical walls in the way (financial, time, wife that would divorce you if you did, etc.......)
Then research it (anything you want to know is on the net) then commence doing it. First time might not be great. This is when sicktoittivity comes in play.
Also stay away from "fear of failure". You have to kiss that demon on the lips, then send him packing.
So go out and try a new technique on your next or current build. Something tells me you will be glad you did.
Kevin
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The wheel spats have been buffed and ready to mold. Hope to mold them this weekend.
You will notice some red spots on the hub caps. Missed getting them filled before the last coat of primer so there they are.
I still have to sand and polish the gear fairings. Will do that tomorrow. Danielson sick of wax on wax off. Mr. Miyagi has been a tyrant.
Kevin
You will notice some red spots on the hub caps. Missed getting them filled before the last coat of primer so there they are.
I still have to sand and polish the gear fairings. Will do that tomorrow. Danielson sick of wax on wax off. Mr. Miyagi has been a tyrant.
Kevin
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Too funny Danielson. Now, "Paint the fence". Mr Miyagi go take nap now. Lol.Im so impressed. Looks like alot of work, but to see it done makes you realize that its not an unreachable goal.Ive been saying for quite some time now i would try making my own glass parts, but still havent. Not like that anyway. But will.
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Too funny Danielson. Now, "Paint the fence". Mr Miyagi go take nap now. Lol.Im so impressed. Looks like alot of work, but to see it done makes you realize that its not an unreachable goal.Ive been saying for quite some time now i would try making my own glass parts, but still havent. Not like that anyway. But will.
"Grass on, Grass off ". It was Mr. Miyagi's Mother Inn Law cutting His back yard with one of these.
Makes one wonder what He was trying to teach her ?
In all seriousness Steve, Go for it. It has been very fulfilling.
I will say it is cheaper to buy than to make. It is not cheap to make tooling then the part. But there is only one way to learn, and that is to do.
This skill once learned, will free you from not being able to build what you want because glass parts are unavailable. And to rebuild it, once lawn darted .
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Thank you guys for the support, means a lot.
Well the first thing on the plate was to fill the negative rake of the hub caps. I was hoping the primer was going to do that but it did not.
If you remember my removing the cowl plug from the mold. The top of the plug was torn asunder. That plug was foam, this one is not.
I thought it best to spar myself some grief and back fill that rake. I used Y2 clay. The same clay used to fill the edges of the parting planes yet made.
Once the other one is done, Breakfast, then parting planes.
Kevin
Well the first thing on the plate was to fill the negative rake of the hub caps. I was hoping the primer was going to do that but it did not.
If you remember my removing the cowl plug from the mold. The top of the plug was torn asunder. That plug was foam, this one is not.
I thought it best to spar myself some grief and back fill that rake. I used Y2 clay. The same clay used to fill the edges of the parting planes yet made.
Once the other one is done, Breakfast, then parting planes.
Kevin