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07-22-2015, 10:17 AM
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I had to anneal the wire at the bends to bend this thick of wire anyway.
I am going to go back and put the temper back in via Roy Valencorts paper.
Back a page there is a link to how to anneal then 're temper.
Kevin
I had to anneal the wire at the bends to bend this thick of wire anyway.
I am going to go back and put the temper back in via Roy Valencorts paper.
Back a page there is a link to how to anneal then 're temper.
Kevin
08-01-2015, 01:41 PM
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I haven't been able to get back to the RL cause of time constraints, However.
For those of you who were interested in the fabrication of that 30 ft round table. I had promised you months ago, that if I could get finished pictures of said table I would post them.
Well the day has come. Last week Alex ( my partner on the fabrication) and I were given the honor of installing it. We usually almost never go on installs (our services are required in the shop.)
The Table is complete but the space that it is in is not totally complete. So if some things in the room seem undone its cause they are.
So without further ado
The glass panels that make up the walls of the room are not flat, they are radius'd , It makes a really cool effect.
The LED strip that perimeters the table is on a dimmer. They are turned down in these shots.
On the outer perimeter of the room are white leather benches. We made the benches and had them upholstered. At first glance they look simple but the backs are cones and in-between the back and the seat is a steel trough with electric and usb hookup. Each bench gets a veneered writing top on the left and right steel uprights. the writing plates are wrapped up on the floor in this shot. There are 8 of these benches of various sizes around the room. The smallest pair is 7 foot long the largest pair just over 12 foot.
Retractable drapes will go behind the benches at the glass wall. This wont be installed for some time. Have no idea on color.
Hope to get back on the Red Lion next week.
Kevin
For those of you who were interested in the fabrication of that 30 ft round table. I had promised you months ago, that if I could get finished pictures of said table I would post them.
Well the day has come. Last week Alex ( my partner on the fabrication) and I were given the honor of installing it. We usually almost never go on installs (our services are required in the shop.)
The Table is complete but the space that it is in is not totally complete. So if some things in the room seem undone its cause they are.
So without further ado
The glass panels that make up the walls of the room are not flat, they are radius'd , It makes a really cool effect.
The LED strip that perimeters the table is on a dimmer. They are turned down in these shots.
On the outer perimeter of the room are white leather benches. We made the benches and had them upholstered. At first glance they look simple but the backs are cones and in-between the back and the seat is a steel trough with electric and usb hookup. Each bench gets a veneered writing top on the left and right steel uprights. the writing plates are wrapped up on the floor in this shot. There are 8 of these benches of various sizes around the room. The smallest pair is 7 foot long the largest pair just over 12 foot.
Retractable drapes will go behind the benches at the glass wall. This wont be installed for some time. Have no idea on color.
Hope to get back on the Red Lion next week.
Kevin
08-09-2015, 10:10 AM
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No forward progress on the RL. I ended up remaking the gear fairings for two reasons.
First reason: I left the fairings in the dinning room. Wife picked them up and placed them on a shelf then picked up some magazines and placed them on top of fairings. They sat like that for a week before I realized. Well, they got distorted. Still serviceable although with a lot of head aches.
I take full responsibility, she was just picking up after her slovenly husband. My bad.
Reason two. In a thoughtless moment I trimmed the wrong end on one of the fairings. The end that has a perfect fit to the spat.
After that I decided it was do over time.
The pics don't show the full distortion but give you and idea.
So today I laid up another set. This time I added a grid of carbon tow to make sure the flatish sides hold there shape.
I am counting on them to be much more rigid. Set one was a little dainty.
Kevin
First reason: I left the fairings in the dinning room. Wife picked them up and placed them on a shelf then picked up some magazines and placed them on top of fairings. They sat like that for a week before I realized. Well, they got distorted. Still serviceable although with a lot of head aches.
I take full responsibility, she was just picking up after her slovenly husband. My bad.
Reason two. In a thoughtless moment I trimmed the wrong end on one of the fairings. The end that has a perfect fit to the spat.
After that I decided it was do over time.
The pics don't show the full distortion but give you and idea.
So today I laid up another set. This time I added a grid of carbon tow to make sure the flatish sides hold there shape.
I am counting on them to be much more rigid. Set one was a little dainty.
Kevin
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09-19-2015, 04:02 AM
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Hi Pete,
Thanks for checking in. It is good to be missed
. Things are well.
I have been busy working on my house and trying to get some flying in also.
Plan to get back to the build in a few weeks. Stay tuned
Kevin
Thanks for checking in. It is good to be missed
. Things are well.I have been busy working on my house and trying to get some flying in also.
Plan to get back to the build in a few weeks. Stay tuned
Kevin
09-19-2015, 12:33 PM
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Summer is coming to an end. I think alot of benches will be getting cleared off soon. Lord knows mine certainly needs it. You know well be here when the dust starts flying.
10-06-2015, 03:37 PM
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Well I thought I would ease back into the build.
Decided to finish laying up all the cowl blisters.
After having cleaned them up, a trial layout around the cowl was done. They looked a little too close to each other. So I got my 1/6 scale P and W. Verified centers then looked at pictures of the replica down in Louisiana. Turns out the blisters are to big. not enough space between them.
This happened cause I'm a dumb ass. Not always just this time.
So I decided to sit down and cry me a river.
So, what I will do is take four of the fat ones and grind the bottom off them till they are the correct proportion. Then make a four bay plug then mold.
This way they can be made in 4 layups instead of 18.
Kevin
Decided to finish laying up all the cowl blisters.
After having cleaned them up, a trial layout around the cowl was done. They looked a little too close to each other. So I got my 1/6 scale P and W. Verified centers then looked at pictures of the replica down in Louisiana. Turns out the blisters are to big. not enough space between them.
This happened cause I'm a dumb ass. Not always just this time.
So I decided to sit down and cry me a river.
So, what I will do is take four of the fat ones and grind the bottom off them till they are the correct proportion. Then make a four bay plug then mold.
This way they can be made in 4 layups instead of 18.
Kevin
10-06-2015, 08:31 PM
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Kevin,
Glad to see you easing back into it. Sorry that the time gap revealed some gremlins in the build. Had something similar happen to me after a hiatus in a build. Sounds like you have a good plan to correct it and have it look super.
My wife has also "distorted" some items over the years when I get too spread out LOL.
Pete
Glad to see you easing back into it. Sorry that the time gap revealed some gremlins in the build. Had something similar happen to me after a hiatus in a build. Sounds like you have a good plan to correct it and have it look super.
My wife has also "distorted" some items over the years when I get too spread out LOL.
Pete
10-07-2015, 03:54 PM
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Thanks Robert, Glad to be back on the build also
Pete,
Yep, I have to be carful with mission creep. I'd be all over the house if I was single. It's good that I am not.
Mike,
Yes, the average guy who got sloppy with his homework. It would be good for me to remember this lesson.
Well blister iteration 1 had two things wrong with them.
Not only were they too large but they were one dimensional in there curve. The blisters on the replica lip over the front bullnose of the cowl. Just a little but enough to matter.
So tonight I laid up what will be the floor of the 3 or 4 bay plug .
On the first plug. I used a piece of plastic laminate to make the flange lip on the blister. Since iteration two will have a compound curve to them. I will lay up some glass over the plug floor. Then cut the flanges out of them.
This should give me a glove fit flange that bends around as well as curves forward.
Kevin
Pete,
Yep, I have to be carful with mission creep. I'd be all over the house if I was single. It's good that I am not.
Mike,
Yes, the average guy who got sloppy with his homework. It would be good for me to remember this lesson.
Well blister iteration 1 had two things wrong with them.
Not only were they too large but they were one dimensional in there curve. The blisters on the replica lip over the front bullnose of the cowl. Just a little but enough to matter.
So tonight I laid up what will be the floor of the 3 or 4 bay plug .
On the first plug. I used a piece of plastic laminate to make the flange lip on the blister. Since iteration two will have a compound curve to them. I will lay up some glass over the plug floor. Then cut the flanges out of them.
This should give me a glove fit flange that bends around as well as curves forward.
Kevin
10-07-2015, 05:18 PM
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Sweet! I'm glad to hear your getting back in the saddle again as well. Now if I can get going again on my Stinson. I spent most of the summer working on my cycling / health, Lost a good 15 pounds so far, now to keep it off.
10-08-2015, 01:03 AM
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Hey David,
it's been so long, forgot all about your Stinson ! Hint, hint hint.
Time to get cracking.
I did very little riding this summer and paid almost no heed to my health and put on almost what you lost.
I think I will ponder this all winter to see where I went wrong
This will be the floor of the cowl blister plug.
Kevin
it's been so long, forgot all about your Stinson ! Hint, hint hint.
Time to get cracking.
I did very little riding this summer and paid almost no heed to my health and put on almost what you lost.
I think I will ponder this all winter to see where I went wrong
This will be the floor of the cowl blister plug.
Kevin
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10-08-2015, 06:54 AM
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I put together my Williams Bros, 1/6 Wasp engine. Only the major components.
Indecently it is a first class kit. Only draw back is it is made to go into a functional model.
No drive shaft or back side of crank case. So not really suitable for a 360 desk model.
Doubling the dimensions puts the valve covers just outside of the cowl. Just right
Drew the circumference of the 1/3 scale then set the 1/6 scale on the layout and got the center lines of the cylinders. Then measuring across the valve covers then doubling that dimension I marked the centers of the covers.
I then made paper templates of a reduced footprint 1/4 inch on the perimeter of the blisters.
Let me know if you think it needs some tweaking.
Kevin
Indecently it is a first class kit. Only draw back is it is made to go into a functional model.
No drive shaft or back side of crank case. So not really suitable for a 360 desk model.
Doubling the dimensions puts the valve covers just outside of the cowl. Just right
Drew the circumference of the 1/3 scale then set the 1/6 scale on the layout and got the center lines of the cylinders. Then measuring across the valve covers then doubling that dimension I marked the centers of the covers.
I then made paper templates of a reduced footprint 1/4 inch on the perimeter of the blisters.
Let me know if you think it needs some tweaking.
Kevin
10-08-2015, 07:22 AM
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Here is the full story on how a new original equipment cowling was built for a full scale 1938 Ryan SC-W as documented by Russel Williams.
http://www.russellw.com/planes/ryan/cowling.htm
http://www.russellw.com/planes/ryan/cowling.htm
