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Old 05-30-2007, 04:39 AM
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Damifino, just put my sad little mind out of its misery, you did get the Western Union payment?
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Old 05-30-2007, 05:32 AM
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To ease your 'sad little mind'- No, I have not recieved it. When did you send it? Via snail mail? My wife and I went over all payments last night. It should show up, don't worry.
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Old 05-30-2007, 08:45 AM
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Nightstalker...

Stickbuilder has been very busy for the past few days, and by the time that we close, the Puter repair geeks have all gone home (or to wherever the geeks go). I have been paying attention at work to what is happening on the thread, but I haven't had much time to respond. Did I see where you posted that you have been called down for posting off topic??? Who dares to do that? This is a Brotherhood, and not some dry insert tab A into slot B thread. Tell them to get a life the next time that happens. I think I know who might be the culprit there. The puter parts are on the way, and I will have to take the tower to the shop to get the new hard drive installed, and the interface hooked up to the old hard drive (so I don't lose everything). Should be done by the first of the week. I'm also fighting with my homeowners and auto insurance company. Seems as though they don't want to do business in Florida any longer. I have never filed a claim against them, but they say that they have too many customers in this state, so they are not going to renew mine. Looks as if they have forgotten what a risk is. Isn't that the premise of an insurance company??? So much for that.

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Old 05-30-2007, 09:51 AM
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Did I see where you posted that you have been called down for posting off topic??? Who dares to do that? This is a Brotherhood, and not some dry insert tab A into slot B thread. Tell them to get a life the next time that happens.

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That was several months back (when we were really on a wise ***** tear including you and especially the Lt). Those guys don't post here much any more - if ever now that I think about it. I just responded with an even bigger dose of wise ***** and I guess they laughed themselves to death 'cuase that was the end of that.

On the topic of on topic PM's, you mentioned to me not to go to heavy with the painting, "compond and wax 'til my arms fall off - and then wax some more". When it comes time to paint your aero'chine, would you mind breaking down your steps in semi detail for us inexperienced Doggies? The input with the K-all that you and Ken posted was extremely useful. I'm really getting the hang of covering (even if they are 30+ year old ukies from my youth). As far as lead sleds go - you should have seen my 1/2A control line paint jobs when I was a kid - I needed a wheel barrow to carry a 23 inch WS model from the garage to the back yard

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Old 05-30-2007, 10:19 AM
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Todd, when I get a little time, I'll post the steps to do that.

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Old 05-30-2007, 10:51 AM
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Gets to the point that the brighter the shine the heavier the PLANE The reason we use cloth is to see that it is cloth you want to see the weave and the seams.
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Old 05-30-2007, 11:56 AM
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Gets to the point that the brighter the shine the heavier the PLANE The reason we use cloth is to see that it is cloth you want to see the weave and the seams.
Larry
When I was a kid (yeah I know Bill... I'm still a kid) I used to slop on um-teen coats of paint with minimal if any sanding between coats because I didn't know better. I even remember my Dad sarcastically telling me he could have painted 10 airplanes with the amount of paint I would brush on. 12 year olds don't understand the concept of less means lighter. Same thing with adhesives - 3 tubes of ambroid for a 1/2A Ringmaster???... well they flew believe it or not.

The reason I requested some details on how you guys finish your planes is for both shine and lightness. I think that you can have a lightweight finish that is both shiney and shows the texture of the fabric. Shine shouldn't affect the AUW if you know how to get light coats buffed out and waxed properly - not one of my fortes - yet[8D]

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Old 05-30-2007, 12:53 PM
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Todd, It requires a light touch with the sanding, combined with a very fine grit paper. As with any good finish, You should be able to apply a uniform, light coating to begin, followed by enough sanding with Wet paper to completely flatten the finish, followed by a compounding and waxing to restore the shine. The weave of the fabric needs to remain lightly visible, while the areas that replicate a solid panel should eliminate the weave to replicate painted aluminum. It is quite a trick, but once mastered is well worth the effort.

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Old 05-30-2007, 04:54 PM
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Hey, wasn't me.
I complained about off topic 75 threads ago. Not since.

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Nightstalker...

Stickbuilder has been very busy for the past few days, and by the time that we close, the Puter repair geeks have all gone home (or to wherever the geeks go). I have been paying attention at work to what is happening on the thread, but I haven't had much time to respond. Did I see where you posted that you have been called down for posting off topic??? Who dares to do that? This is a Brotherhood, and not some dry insert tab A into slot B thread. Tell them to get a life the next time that happens. I think I know who might be the culprit there. The puter parts are on the way, and I will have to take the tower to the shop to get the new hard drive installed, and the interface hooked up to the old hard drive (so I don't lose everything). Should be done by the first of the week. I'm also fighting with my homeowners and auto insurance company. Seems as though they don't want to do business in Florida any longer. I have never filed a claim against them, but they say that they have too many customers in this state, so they are not going to renew mine. Looks as if they have forgotten what a risk is. Isn't that the premise of an insurance company??? So much for that.

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Old 05-30-2007, 05:11 PM
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Guys,

To those of you building the 1/6th version from the PDF plans (see http://www.houseofmoy.com/waco/ ) note that the dihedral supports (W-11B on the 1/5th plan) are not shown for the front spars (upper and lower) on either the top or bottom wing. I will be making all the W-11 supports for my 1/6th wings about 7-8" long to span from inside the last W-1 Rib to the outside of the 2nd W-5 Rib from either 3/32" or 1/8" plywood (not lite ply). It may seem like overkill to some, but I would not want a wing failure from lack of structure.
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Old 05-30-2007, 05:16 PM
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skylarkmk1,

Thanks for the update!! I am in the process of building the 1/6th version from the PDF plans that you mentioned. I'll be sure to add the supports as you have described them.

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Old 05-30-2007, 05:53 PM
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I butted mine together with a lap over joiner in the center, and extended them out to the 3rd rib in the wing. The original version is a guarenteed wing failure.

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Old 05-30-2007, 05:54 PM
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Ron,

Do you work for an insurance company? or were you talking about the off topic thing????? I was not referring to you in my post.

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Old 05-30-2007, 06:23 PM
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no, I was responding to the off topic thing. I always read the posts, even though much of it does'nt teach me much. But the forum is a good place for people to socialize and feel connected. I just breeze by the conversations and look for the hard info. I'm not much of a conversationalist.

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Ron,

Do you work for an insurance company? or were you talking about the off topic thing????? I was not referring to you in my post.

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Old 05-30-2007, 07:34 PM
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I'm just too embarrassed to post after the wing incidence thing [:-] but it wasn't me doing the PM'ing either
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Old 05-30-2007, 07:49 PM
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I double checked my recieved payments (MO's and PayPal) for the WACO tees. Unless I mis-posted someone's name in my spreedsheet the posted list is correct. Here is a link to the page containing post #2645 on page 106 of our thread.

[link]http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4058627/mpage_106/key_/tm.htm[/link]

If you have a concern about your payment not being posted please send me a Private Message ASAP. Please include your real name and city in your PM.

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Old 05-30-2007, 08:16 PM
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Funny you mentioned buying a scroll saw because i just went out and bought a 12 band saw to use when I can get started. Does anyone have an idea of how many 10 packs of 5/32 balsa is needed
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Old 05-30-2007, 09:06 PM
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I bought 20 3" X 36" sheets to get started with and it may be enough.
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Old 05-31-2007, 03:07 AM
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I bought 20 3" X 36" sheets to get started with and it may be enough.
I'm glad to see that you are able to get on with modeling after all your hard work on our much appreciated T shirts.

And yes, I too miss STICKBUILDER. When my PC confuser collapsed and died I bought an Apple Mac Power Book. After about a year the hard drive on the Apple died and some data was saved by transferring it to the new hard drive (Techies did it for me). I also bought (at my son's recommendation) a big capacity standalone hard drive to save all my data. I was saving about a year of eBay engine pictures and prices when that drive failed. My son hadn't gone through the procedure of using the back up facility to make a DVD copy, I'm too old and stupid to get these new ideas into my thick skull. I wish him better luck.

I recently went through the agonies of the failure of my BMW - ($900), the failure and resulting flood from a house radiator check valve - ($infinate) and the failure of my cable TV - ($???), numerous hospital visits and tests resulting in a diagnosis of (?????).

Life gits tedious don't it.

I have been enjoying BOTH the technical and the off subject posts despite not following all the service jargon (I served two years in the Merchant Marine and four years in the Royal Air Force), gives me something interesting to think about. More power to the Brotherhood.

WACO Brotherhood No. 14.

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Old 05-31-2007, 08:00 AM
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Ron,

Wish you would join in more often. You are a great source of information too. We need all our Brothers to contribute. Good to hear from you.

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Old 05-31-2007, 08:02 AM
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2 packs will give you plenty. You may want to consider doing the sheeting out of 1/8" instead of the 5/32. It does finish easier. You iwll probably end up with less than 1/8" thickness at any rate.

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Old 05-31-2007, 09:06 AM
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Bill,

As Nighstalker said, I too would love a play by play recap of how you paint your planes. I just started covering my Hog Bipe, and I think I am understanding how to get the Koverall on it decently. (Still need to figure out the trailing edge detail where it comes to a thin surface and the inside corners at the ailerons.) I am sure I put way to much dope on the airframe prior to starting covering, but heck this is an experimental plane anyways, and the Hog Bipe should fly fine even if it is too heavy.

As for insurance, I was told a few years back it is the ONLY industry where you are guaranteed a profit. If you lose money this year, you just raise the premiums next year to make it back. The only proble for them is when the government keeps them from raising their rates and excluding the damages they actually have to pay out on, so they in turn just decide to not do busines in the staes that actually try to protect the consumer. Texas had the same problem recently where Farmers and a couple other companies sent notices out to their insurred complaining about unfair treatment by the state so they were not goign to renew any homeowner policies in Texas. I felt so sorry for them that i cancelled all my policies with them and found a different insurer. They can take your money for many years with no claims, but the first time you actually expect them to be there for you, they up and vanish. Crooks I tell ya, crooks. It is so bad now that our deductible on the commercial construction builder's risk policy is $10,000 per incident just to get the premium down to affordable rates. That is sad that you can have a few $10,000 deductable charges to a project and it is still cheaper than the insurance rates for a cheaper deductable.

Damifino,

Any news on the increased shipping rates? Let me know if you need some supplemental shipping funds.
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Old 05-31-2007, 09:35 AM
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I normally cover the wings in one piece, starting with the bottom trailing edge, and letting the material cover the last 1/2" or so, I adhere the fabric to the bottom and wrap it over the top and back to the trailing edge (this allows a 1/2" lap. I then dope the trailing edge down, and trim all the excess off. After all the perimeters have been adhered, and the fabric has been shrunk, I apply full strength dope to all the edges (2 coats) and after the dope has dried, sand the fuzz off with 400 wet or dry (dry). This way, you can't find the seams and as you add the 50/50 mixture of dope and thinner, and sand between the coats, the seam becomes completely invisible. Just don't get carried away with the sanding, and you should be okay.

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Well, I have not had much to say because of all the mods I am making to my waco due to the threads of a couple months ago. I am adding cabling to my tail feathers as well as redoing the wing saddle to bring it into alignment with the crutch. I built it per plan without really looking at it at the time (stupid). It is alot of work redoing the wing saddle. The top wing is easy, it was very close to parallel to the crutch already. Just a thin washer to shim it on two upper struts.
Oh, and by the way, I aint tearing my plane apart to redo the center spar joints, that is just way too much work. I used alot of epoxy when I did them. I will redo them after it folds up in flight.
My flying skills are low speed flight with the occasional loop and roll. The steel flying wires I am adding on my wings will have to compensate for any weakness in the center wing spar joints.
Oh, and I am adding rubber baby buggy bumbers to my wing tips for those low speed take offs when it p-factors into the weeds.

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Wish you would join in more often. You are a great source of information too. We need all our Brothers to contribute. Good to hear from you.

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Oh, and I am adding rubber baby buggy bumbers to my wing tips for those low speed take offs when it p-factors into the weeds.

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Ron,

Wish you would join in more often. You are a great source of information too. We need all our Brothers to contribute. Good to hear from you.

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Ditto Stickbuilder, Ron - Glad to see you posting here more frequently . Looking back through this thread, you had some really good posts - and you're a CAD savvy Engineer (but I won't hold that against you... like some might ) Oh, and you might want to draw up a set of those rubber baby buggy bumpers for a certain former Air Force Lt.... Just kidding Ken!

Hey did you get a chance to try that dowel / wing screw trick? Let us know how that works.

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