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Old 08-28-2007, 10:07 PM
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Jim,

The post that mentioned the cowl and wheel pants referred to those supplied by Fiberglass Specialists. I cut a little over 1/4" out of the wheel pants, and reglassed them together. Before they allowed about 3/8" clearance on each side of the tire (Sullivan 4" skylites) and now they are closer to 1/8" They still have an issue with pin holes and voids, but auto body putty takes care of this. Stan's FiberTech parts are much smoother, but as with those from F/S, the cowls are all for the UMF variant.

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Old 08-28-2007, 10:08 PM
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http://www.precision-fiberglass-prod.com/

At Fiberglass Specialties that will never happen. All West Systems Epoxy glass parts. I have dozens of the epoxy glass parts. No holes. The width is right on compared to Pica parts.

http://www.fiberglassspecialtiesinc.com/

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John - Thanks for that. I thought the post was about FG Specialties. I am relieved to see it wasn't and that their quality is excellent.
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Old 08-29-2007, 06:42 AM
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If you would like, I can send you the parts that were removed from the wheel pants from their part #70 wheel pants. You can judge for yourself if they have voids or pin holes.

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Old 08-29-2007, 07:19 AM
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Thanks very much for that Bill, but since they are the only game in town, I guess I'll be going their way.
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Just get some auto body putty (the tan stuff) it dries quickly, and sands out very well. You will like it. The Pica pants (built up wood) are the same width as those from F/S, but they are not scale, and you nnned to section them to look right. They appear chubby on the plane. I guess they made them this way to accomodate the old Veco or Trexler airwheels. The old perfect wheels would have been better. The Slykight aluminum hub wheels from Sullivan are more scale in width. I use the 4" version on all of mine.

On the cowling, the only one that they offer is for the UMF (uses the paired blisters). If you need one for the YMF, you need to either find an old one from PICA, or build your own.

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Old 08-29-2007, 10:47 AM
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Well that's a bummer!! I actually had a pix of the FG Spec. cowl (below) and didn't notice the blister arrangement. Now we'll have to think this through again! There's no way I would be able to create my own FG cowl. So maybe I can't model the local Waco and will only be able to use it for detail. Hmmmm! I see compromises ahead!!

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Old 08-29-2007, 11:04 AM
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Well that's a bummer!! I actually had a pix of the FG Spec. cowl (below) and didn't notice the blister arrangement. Now we'll have to think this through again! There's no way I would be able to create my own FG cowl. So maybe I can't model the local Waco and will only be able to use it for detail. Hmmmm! I see compromises ahead!!

Don't throw in the towel too soon. Damifino has a cowl that I sent him, and he is putting it together with the correct spacing. He will then send it to Stan's Fibertech, and Stan will be making these cowls available to us.

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Old 08-29-2007, 11:06 AM
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We have an addition to the family. BigBoy99, who can be found on the scale model forum with the Peter Barth version of the YMF has asked to be a brother. Bernie brings a lot of experience to the Brotherhood, and so let's all welcome our new Brother #63.

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Well that's a bummer!! I actually had a pix of the FG Spec. cowl (below) and didn't notice the blister arrangement. Now we'll have to think this through again! There's no way I would be able to create my own FG cowl. So maybe I can't model the local Waco and will only be able to use it for detail. Hmmmm! I see compromises ahead!!

You are obviously meticulous. That's a good thing, but few if any would notice the difference. We are our own worst critics. Fiberglass Specialties does sell 2 sizes of blister on a sheet to use as you want. They have plain round cowls as well but not the right shape I dont think. A second cowl would allow you to remove and replace blisters in the Y position. A lot of work but that doesn't seem to put you off. West Epoxy comes in quarts.

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Old 08-29-2007, 11:34 AM
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Don't throw in the towel too soon. Damifino has a cowl that I sent him, and he is putting it together with the correct spacing. He will then send it to Stan's Fibertech, and Stan will be making these cowls available to us.

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OK! I can wait until then.. Poor Jay - what with designing aluminum gear, redesigning the fuse construction for the gear, designing Tee shirts, now working on the YMF cowl - I presume he also has a business to run!! When does he get time to work on his own YMF??

We are all our own worse critics Joe! I try to start with as high ideals to scale as I can then, then compromise down to my skill level when I have to. That way I have the satisfaction of knowing I did the best I could - and flog the outside critics!! I have made my own FG cowls but they are true "standoff scale"! (Stand away off!)
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Old 08-29-2007, 11:51 AM
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Some of Fiberglass Specialties Waco Parts. A fraction of what I keep on hand for building. The wheel pants are #70 on left #2 on right. The blisters shown are the small ones.
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Old 08-29-2007, 01:52 PM
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Oh....so quick.....Hi Guys,

thanks to be a member in the Waco Brotherhood[sm=thumbup.gif][sm=thumbup.gif][sm=thumbup.gif]

excuse me, if my english is not always the best, but I try my best.

Here in this forum i found so many help, thank you all!


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Old 08-29-2007, 04:41 PM
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Welcome to the club BIG BOY.
You will find lots of help and good information here.
I was stationed in Germany in 1970 at Schwabisch Hall, not far away from where you are. Nice country, good memories.
Looking forward to read your postings, don't worry about broken English, mine is all bent out of shape.

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Old 08-29-2007, 07:35 PM
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The Slykight aluminum hub wheels from Sullivan are more scale in width. I use the 4" version on all of mine.
Very nice wheel, I just put a set on my UMF. I like the fact that the nylon axle bearings fit fairly far apart, makes the wheel less wobbly on the axle, and tracking is better. I had to widen the hole in my wheel pants to fit the Robart wheels, and then had to trim them about another 1/8 on each side for the Sullivan's. I also added a layer of one ounce fiberglass on the inside at the front, where the pants will hit if you nose over, and added some 1/2 oz around the edges of the wheel opening, to help prevent splintering. Didn't add much weight, but they feel more solid.
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Old 08-29-2007, 07:36 PM
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Hey Outlaw, good to hear from you, yes keep us posted on the progress of the WACO. I hope to have more photos this weekend. The weather has been terrible and I can't get outside to paint. By the way did you get your ceiling repaired where the rain damaged it?
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Ken, are the Sullivan Skylight wheels fairly hard? I have a set of the 4 inchers on mine but they do not have the aluminum hub. The hub on these are plastic (Nylon/) but the tires themselves have very little flex in them.
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excuse me, if my english is not always the best, but I try my best.
Your English is fine, and a heck of a lot better than my German. I spent five months in your fine country during Desert Storm (at Ramstein AB), as well as making several flights from US to Frankfurt before that. I never could figure out where the town of "Ausfart" was; I'd see a sign at every highway ramp pointing to its direction, but could never find it on a map.

And there sure were a lot of streets named "Einbanstrasse"


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Old 08-29-2007, 07:58 PM
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Ken, are the Sullivan Skylight wheels fairly hard? I have a set of the 4 inchers on mine but they do not have the aluminum hub. The hub on these are plastic (Nylon/) but the tires themselves have very little flex in them.
Same tire. They are a bit hard, and way harder than the Robart tires, which are hollow and have no provision for inflating. They do, however, have inserts available to stiffen them up. I tried cutting some stiff foam rubber and stuffing a long strip in my robart tires; it helped a lot, but still wasn't as stiff as I wanted. I've made three flights since I put the Sullivan wheels on, and I can't tell any difference in landing with the harder tires. I'm taking great pains to make my approaches and touch downs as smooth as possible; I haven't really botched a landing yet, but I find trying to three point mine always ends in a bouncy rollout with side-to-side wing-wag. I think the extra weight I'm carrying has increased the stall speed enough that I can't slow it enough for a good 3-pointer. I like the wheel landings anyway, come in at about 1/4 throttle with the attitude level, and let it settle til the mains touch, then kill the throttle. The new gear has enough flex to counter whatever bounce is left.
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Old 08-29-2007, 08:21 PM
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Master Chief--How about a mix-'n-match paint job? Take the two blue colors in the UBF color pic, use the scheme from the b&w UBF pic, plus the scalloped wings from the YMF b&w pic (which is the one I did). I think it would look good, but us USAF guys always did like blue.
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Sure do have the ceiling done Lucky that I had most of the planes in the shop not in the one bedroom where I usually work. I got the three west bedrooms and the family room what a mess[:@]
I got the radio installed in the Waco today and am going to start putting on the final flying touches will post pic's when it gets a little further along.
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Old 08-30-2007, 05:04 AM
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Ken,

I think that photo #3 will get the nod for shape. I'm still quite a ways from having to decide on the color.

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I vote for ARMY Special Ops Flat Black[8D]... Just like a Doggie would. It'd look REALLY shiney (at night). Knowing your finishing skills, I wouldn't be surprised if you could make a flat black paint job glossy.

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I vote for ARMY Special Ops Flat Black[8D]... Just like a Doggie would. It'd look REALLY shiney (at night). Knowing your finishing skills, I wouldn't be surprised if you could make a flat black paint job glossy.

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Flat Black???? You mean the stuff with no shine? My Daughter never asks me, "Daddy, why don't you build shiney Airplanes"? . Good to hear from you there Todd. I will be posting some new pics later on the new one. I'm about ready to cover the Fuselage and the tail group. then I can concentrate on the wings. They will receive some modifications for attaching the Interplane struts and the Cabanes. The control linkages will be scale like as well.

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OK! I can wait until then.. Poor Jay - what with designing aluminum gear, redesigning the fuse construction for the gear, designing Tee shirts, now working on the YMF cowl - I presume he also has a business to run!! When does he get time to work on his own YMF??

We are all our own worse critics Joe! I try to start with as high ideals to scale as I can then, then compromise down to my skill level when I have to. That way I have the satisfaction of knowing I did the best I could - and flog the outside critics!! I have made my own FG cowls but they are true "standoff scale"! (Stand away off!)

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Wabi-Sabi, I'd let it be the only imperfection ( the U cowl). Unless high standards are tempered by practicality, these details will drive a guy nuts. If the blisters position interferred with the rockers on the 1/5th scale L-4 then you would have little choice.

I have never modelled an aquaintance's airplane. If a guy were modelling my car down to the licence plate numbers I'd equate it with him sticking pins in my doll. This is tongue in cheek but there is a little truth in every joke.


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Hi Guys,

I have a question to all Waco flyers with a RCS 215 or 250, what settings are you using

for Side- and down trust? In my construction manual Peter Barth writes, 1,5° sidetrust and 1° downtrust.

Now I read in the net, with a RCS engine you need MUCH more, is it true?


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