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Old 11-05-2007, 06:52 PM
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Bill,

I believe fasteners are about 3/4” across and appear to Dzus type on early cowls (like you are doing) and are they same width as the straps. The YMF Classic appears to use screws and the fastening is different

P1 Dzus with scale on UBF-2 NC 2091K
P2 Cowl latch on UPF-7 NC 39727
P3 Cowl latch on UPF-7 NC 39727 Inside
P4 Cowl latch on UPF-7 NC 173E
P5 Cowl latch on UPF-7 NC 173E, Close up
P6 Cowl fastener on YMF Classic NC 14081
P7 Cowl fastener on YMF Classic NC 14081, Close up
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:59 PM
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Thought you might like them. You are going to have to get a better camera to show how the plates look close up and mounted on your engine.
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Old 11-05-2007, 07:41 PM
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My Fuji 5000 is about as good as I'm going to get. It is far and away a better camera than I am a photographer. Janelle has been talking about getting a better lens for close-up work. I am again humbled by your generosity.

You will be hearing from Dick Watz in a few days. He is impressed as well.

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Old 11-06-2007, 05:55 AM
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John,

Did you see the cowl latch on the one that TRLambjr posted back on page 165? The latch is further forward, and uses 2 fastners on each latch. That is the one that I copied for mine, since that was the best photo that I had seen that showed the latch. I did notice that on Mike Barbee's third scale, the cowl latches look like the last 2 photos that you posted (diamond shaped with no hole visable), of course his is a model of one of the new Classics.

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Old 11-06-2007, 09:23 AM
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hey guys,can any of you guys tell me what gas tank fits the best in this kit,looks like a very small hole.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:34 AM
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the hayes 160z slimline works very good




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Old 11-06-2007, 09:36 AM
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hey lazyace ,where can I get one.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:42 AM
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Bill,

I did see TR’s picture. Look close at P2 (the green bump cowl) and you can just see the front latch, almost side view of it. The blue cowl (P4) also has a front latch. Here a few more view showing the front latch.

P1 UPF-7 (NC 173E, same plane as above in P4 and P5) taxiing in showing all three latches.
P2 UPF-7 (NC 32158) close up of the cowl, showing the latches
P3 YKS-7 (NC 17474) with all three latches
P4 JYM (NC 991H) showing three latches with the front one further back, no signs of another latch.
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Old 11-06-2007, 10:05 AM
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ffdg,

I modified the tank box on the one that I'm framing up now. It will easily hold a 24 oz Dubro. For the smaller box on the standard kit, either the hayes 16 oz, or the slimline 16 oz tank works well. You can even fit a round tank in this size. Check with your friendly local hobby shop, or if you don't have one of those close by, let me know, and I will be glad to pick one up for you, and send it.

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Old 11-06-2007, 10:11 AM
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I just got off the phone with Darrell, (Sierra Giant Scale) and he is doing a sketch to let me know what modifications I will need to make for mounting the scale landing gear. Looks like I will need to mount a horizontal plate or a set of rails to accept the landing gear trunions. He will probably have something for me pretty soon, and I will pass the information along, so that who ever wants to use a scale gear set will be able to do so. I can't wait to get a set in my hands. Just another in a long list of modifications to this one. It is going to resemble a Frankenstein monster with all the cutting and splicing. Should be worth the effort when it's completed. (I hope)

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Fred,

Any good local hobby shop that carries a good selection of tanks should have it. Go to Tower (has the Hayes tank) and type “Fuel Tank 16 oz” (or what ever capacity you want) and all the tanks will come up. Have the tank compartment measurements handy and scroll down to the tech notes and compare the numbers.
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Old 11-06-2007, 10:21 AM
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hi,I have a du-bro 16 that is just about the same size of the hayes-16.I have a set of sierra,s on my hellcat and they are very nice and work great,Darrell is the best to work with.I have a 1/2 done 1/5 waco that I think I will finish now,I love this plane.
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Old 11-06-2007, 10:43 AM
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For those that are interested. I just saw a note on RCShowcase's web site that stated Team Genesis has ceased operations. No more BIG Waco's. Hopefully someone will pick up their business.
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Old 11-06-2007, 10:58 AM
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Another company is going to pick up the Genesis Waco line but the supply might be interupted for a few months. It will be direct sales only and they will still be based in Canada. More info will follow.
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:51 AM
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hi,I have a du-bro 16 that is just about the same size of the hayes-16.I have a set of sierra,s on my hellcat and they are very nice and work great,Darrell is the best to work with.I have a 1/2 done 1/5 waco that I think I will finish now,I love this plane.
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Might be a good time to become a member of the WACO Brotherhood.[8D]

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Old 11-06-2007, 11:57 AM
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Okay, Here is the roster to date.

WACO BROTHERHOOD MEMBERSHIP:

#1 stickbuilder
#2 Hughes500
#3 Jim Henley
#4 mmattockx
#5 CTflyboy
#6 michaelj2k
#7 Ronj10
#8 gwulle
#9 jim schroer
#10 Skinny Bob
#11 Bart5495
#12 Pimmnz
#13 HarryJ
No. 14 Old Git
#15 ChrisMH
#16 Nerevar
#17 Ricatic
#18 Clay H.
#19 Tripp2Loo
#20 KHodges
#21 Bill Hogue (WACO One)
#22 Mangolo (Waldo)
#23 av8ter
#24 yel914
#25 damifino
#26 skylarkmk1
#27 Jacque
#28 Edwin
#29 AROPLANE
#30 CubNut (Anthony)
#31 BQuartucy (Bob Q)
#32 AERORON
#33 funkymusic
#34 Live Wire (Larry)
#35 obo (Bob)
#36 Jackk36 (Jack)
#37 fatherrooster (Jim)
#38 Ilikebipes
#39 Kestrel0222
#40 CROWMAN17 (Marc)
#41 redcesar
#42 S. Christensen (Scott)
#43 Bill Deidrich
#44 Mike Barbee
#45 mrdhud (Dan Hudson)
#46 SoCalSal
#47 Todd (NightStalker)
#48 argon (Bob Gonzalez)
#49 mango 12 (Scott)
#50 skyjet 1
#51 ZIG
#52 Didg
#53 MarvinE255 (DOC)
#54 Joe Norris (Full Scale WACO Pilot)
#55 vasek
#56 SuperCub Man (Jim)
#57 Black Drape (Ron)
#58 aminiet (Angel Minet)
#59 Snowball
#60 doc zinger
#61 jagnweiner (Scott)
#62 Meesh (Bob)
#63 BigBoy99 (Bernie)
#64 stifts (Steve)
#65 RCWalker (Wallace)
#66 Mobyal
#67 lazyace
#68 bladerunner1955 (Don)
#69 trlambsr
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#71 Tony V (Tony)
#72 red 1
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#74 Mr Lucky (Ben Warner)
#75 RICKSTUBBZ (Rick Stubblefield)
#76 ffdg (Fred)
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#79 Watzscale (Dick Watz)
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Bill,I have been following this from the start on and off,then I got a waco then sold it then got it back 1/2 done,so now I will try to finish it.I m, not a builder but will try.I know this a hard kit.But with help from you guys I think I can get it done. I would love to get in the brotherhood,should have done it a year ago,I have the t- shirt.
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Old 11-06-2007, 01:10 PM
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Bill,I have been following this from the start on and off,then I got a waco then sold it then got it back 1/2 done,so now I will try to finish it.I m, not a builder but will try.I know this a hard kit.But with help from you guys I think I can get it done. I would love to get in the brotherhood,should have done it a year ago,I have the t- shirt.
Fred
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Welcome to the Brotherhood. You are Brother #76. The kit is not all that difficult, and you are among family here. We will help you finish it.

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Old 11-06-2007, 01:37 PM
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Did anyone else find that F-4T was too narrow? I will have to add about 3/8" to it's base in order for the top sheeting to line up with the side sheeting. The other front formers are also narrow but sanding through the corner of the crutch should make the sheeting meet OK. I used the jpeg's as a pattern.
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Old 11-06-2007, 03:13 PM
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Jim,

The jpegs are "ok" if you check the demensions in both directions against the plans. The jpegs just do not scale up or down that well and the dxf files don't want to open with most programs. Best bet is to get the complete set from the AMA. If you want a 1/6th size, take the plans to a printer/copier place and have them make a 83.4% copy (72" ws x 83.4% = 60.048" ws, close enough). Make sure you draw known reference lines in both directions and ends of the plans so any error can be detected. A 12" line at 83.4% will be 10.008" or rounded off at 10", a quick and easy check.
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Old 11-06-2007, 04:27 PM
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You are not mistaken. F4-T is awfully narrow, and occasionally you will find that F5-T and F6-T will work better if you swap them out. I don't know why, they sometimes just do. This is not the case with all the kits, just the occasional one.

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Old 11-06-2007, 06:41 PM
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Yes - that's what I thought. I also found that I would have to bend the top stringer down to meet it and the plans show that the stringer is flat. So I added 1/8" to the bottom which raised it in the proper position and also spread the base out so the sheeting now fits.
Now the rear formers are also out a tad. I think I will install F-14T and F-9T and run a basswood 1/4" sq. stringer between them, Then I'll cut the in between forms to fit at the correct heights! I can adjust the notches for the top stringer for straightness at the same time. Fuse is coming well and aside from some "wavyness" with the side stringers, (hardly noticable) all is going well. All this comes under normal building problems but perhaps some new builders will benefit from the info.
By the way, the jpegs all downloaded perfectly and the 3" or 6" scale line measured perfectly. However I found that constant referal to the plans was necessary to true them up in some cases. For instance I made a templates of the side view of the W-5 and W1 wing ribs off the plans and used them to cut all the ribs using the jpegs for the trailing edge variations. Worked perfectly. All in all they were extremely helpful - thanks to the Brotherhood for all the work!
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Old 11-06-2007, 06:42 PM
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Hey Snowball - Get off the net and finish up those wings!!
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Old 11-06-2007, 07:28 PM
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hey Bill, thanks#76 sounds good to me.I did build a astro hog that came out very good,and flys great and lots of should I say ...arf,s.Just finished a great planes super stearman,but the engine had to be sent back to back to horizon it,s a g-26 would not start,no spark,so have not flown this one yet. The bench is clear so just getting ready for the waco.
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All,

Anyone have any experience with the RC Showcase http://www.rcshowcase.com/ RCS 140 SE or RE engines?
They are inbetween the G20 and G26 at 22 cc/ 1.4 ci and turn a 16-8 prop at 8900 rpm (according to the web site). The dimensions listed have it a 1/4" taller than a ST .90 and about the same length (not including the carb.). The only possible drawback I can see is the carburetor is rear mounted, may be a problem mounting.
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