RCBOATMANIAC

Oh so far that will be easy to remember I only robbed the kit for (2) 1/8x1/4x12 so I could make up the stiffeners I didn't have. Bill, John, or somebody I need help I don't have a tail block for the 1/6 scale kit and I was wondering what would be a good piece to copy off of for dimensions to come up with a tail block, I can get the side view deminsions but I am not sure about the top view how wide should it be in the front and the rear. Then I'll need to come up with a block of wood or laminate a couple pieces of wood together and shave it down from there.

skylarkmk1

Dave,

The tail block will be the same shape from the top as your crutch (F-26 extended to F-14) is in the same location, and the same shape as F-14B with the stringers at the front (3/16" larger along the bottom outside). The bottom and lower side stringers will dead end into the tail block. The upper side stringers will go to the tail post on each side of the ¼� square blocks.

For a more scale location, make F-14B out of 3/16� or ¼� plywood and mount a small nose gear mount to it. Extend the verticle portion of the strut beloew the fuse anout 1/4-3/8", Solder a washer to the tail wheel strut at the bend to caster the wheel, put a spring on the strut and under the nose gear mount and extend the tail wheel strut above the nose wheel mount and lock in place with a collar or steering horn (don’t forget to grind a notch for the set screw). You will have to put a small notch in the front of the tail block to allow the tail wheel strut to exit. It won't work exactly scale like but will look much better and have some shock absorbtion. As illistrated on the plans, there is no shock absorbtion on the rudder (and it just dosen't look right).

See the tail wheel detail from the AMA copy of the Pica 1/5th Plans below as a guide. The drawing is not completly scale, the tail wheel axel should be a little more forward, just past back half way between F-14 and the tail post to look right. The tail strut bend should not be angled back as far. If you have the Paul Matt drawings, refer to them or let me know and I'll email them. (They are on the CD).

RCBOATMANIAC

Thanks John for the info, I guess I checked my email just in time I am only 2 formers away from F-14B I just got done glueing in F-12B. So on F-14B 1/4" birch ply will do the trick to make up the scale tail wheel assembly. I think I just may have the hardware to do this little job and it would work like a charm. Again thanks for the info!

Stickbuilder

Before you do the F-14B installation, you may want to look at the modification reccomendations so that you can have a more scale tailwheel. This will mean cutting a new F-14B and setting it at a different angle, but the results are worth the effort.

Bill, AMA 4720
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RCBOATMANIAC

Well here is todays progress, and tomorrows project will be to work on the F-14B former so I can set it up with the scale landing gear.

WacoNut

Hi Guys,
Here is a pic of the pieces I cut for my gear on my 1/4 scale, a buddy at work welded them for me today and did a great job. I cut the pieces to length and milled a radius for each joint as you would for welding tubing for a full scale, the results were well worth it. I will post some more pics when I get all the parts gathered and assembled.
Anthony

RCBOATMANIAC

Well I didn't get as much completed as I hoped, but here is my progress so far. It is starting to look like an airplane now! The only thing that is got me puzzled is the braces for the cabanes look like they are off center when they are setting in the formers especially if you looking at from the front, unless it was to later and the eyes where tired.[sm=stupid.gif] I think I am going to have to take a couple day off from the plane, and spend time with the little woman she is acting a little jealous of the other woman

Clipwing

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Waco Joe or Skylarkmk1--or any one else who might have this info........

hello to all..new here and doing some research ... like Skinny Bob I am fascinated by the UBF version of the Waco with the ring cowl. and WacoJoe saw your answer about all of the F series wacos being essentially the same in outward appearance--BUT was there any difference in the placement of the engine between the YMF full cowled engines and the engine placement for the UBF with the ring cowl......the only way I could figure out to check this was to measure from LE of the forward most cabana strut to the firewall/center of the engine block on both models. Visually there appears to be some difference--but in reality ????????
I am a Monocoupe fan (in addition to the Wacos & Great lakes) and I know that when Monocoupe put different engines on the front of the base fuselage they adjusted the length of the engine mount on the different models due to the weight difference of different engines/cowl arrangements.............just wondering if this is the same with the Waco's??
any help would be appreciated.

Thanks for any help-comment

khodges

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ANYBODY HOME.....OME....ome...





Over 18 hours and not a single post, wow.

skylarkmk1

Clipwing,

I made it out to the airport today and talked with the Waco Mechanic. He stated that the there are some differences between the Y/UMF, UBF-2, UPF-7 and QCF-2 in fuselage structure, formers and spacing. The UBF-2 (20’9�) and the QCF-2 (20’4�), while very similar in appearance, were the shortest of the four versions by about 3’. To achieve the proper center of gravity, the engine mount was a different length depending on the engine used, the firewall remained in the same place. The YMF with the heavier Jacobs engine used a shorter mount than the UMF with the Continental engine.

During the 2007 Waco Fly In, Ken and I saw seven different UPF-7s all having the Continental W670 or R670 series engines. The cowls; ring (3), bump (2), and smooth (2) were all mounted to the engine and not to the fuselage. (see pictures)

As Joe noted above, the QCF originally had the 165hp Continental A-70 and most have installed a larger Continental W 670 engine of 225 hp due to the availability of the 670 and scarcity of the A-70 (the extra 50hp is a nice benefit as well).

RCBOATMANIAC

Everybody has writters cramps, and some of us have builders cramps.

skylarkmk1

Hey Ken,

As you can see above, I've been prowling CCA today, doing some Waco research for Clipwing. I also saw Terry, Glen, Don, Ken K., Al and many others. Many were getting in thier first flight of the season (it reached the lower 60's, light wind and mostly sunny today) since November.

Ken K. has the landing gear welded for the DR-1, needs to sheet the axle wing, hopes to have it up on the wheels in a couple of weeks and ready to cover by fall.

I gave Moe and Les their CDs and both have reviewed them and say thanks. Les flew his AT-6 "Yahoo" for a couple of circuts and landings.

Burt flew the Spacewalker and reported that it was still pretty cold upstairs.

Terry has the YKS fuselage nearly complete, was doing some more of the wiring, has to make the engine mount as the next major project for it. He is also working on the ATO (N 906H) and another CTO.

Glen will take the DH-4 to Blakesville Iowa this year and the Zenith to OshKosh (Don will be flying his Fairchild 24 again as chase/escort for both trips).

Stickbuilder

Oh, yeah, I'm home, Spent the major part of the day replacing the driver's side front window on the Wife's Hot Rod Mustang. Replaced the power window motor too. Not too tough a job, but I wouldn't want to do it every day. I must be slipping....I didn't even mash one finger, or get any cuts from the rough metal in the door. I pulled out the plans for Dick Watz Hawker Hurricaine tonight. Looks like that there will be a warbird in my future too.

Bill, AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1

skylarkmk1

Bill,

I ordered the plans for the Waco CSO by Dick Watz, will have to enlarge them a little to make them 1/5th scale, so that may be a future Waco for me. Still working on getting UBF drawings as I want to do that next. I also saw Dicks write-up in RC Report (thanks Dick and thanks Bill for the heads up). RC Modeler Plans service has a 64" ENF available that may be close to the INF you were asking about last year.

Clipwing,

Creve Coeur Airport hosts not only the American Waco Club Fly In, but also a Monocoupe Fly In as well. There are at least 4 Monocoupes on the field and one of the three Mullicoupes based here. Will have to find out when the Monocoupe Fly In will be if you are interested, but last years was a bit dissappointing.

adamiani

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Paint shop 5

details coming in.......

Stickbuilder

I like that one A LOT.

Bill, AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1

Stickbuilder

The Hurricaine that he sent me the plans for is about 70" span. Sure would be a nice 80 or 90 incher too. He is great at his craft is he not? I have some photos of his old WACO 10, and it's great too.

Bill, AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1

adamiani

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Servos

Are you guys flying with 2 servos for the ailerons or just one. I'm thinking on using HS 635 HB or HS 475 HB any inputs. THKS.

skylarkmk1

Alex,

Most have converted to dual servos in the lower wing. That way each set of ailerons (Left or Right, Top and Bottom) are driven by on servo with minimal slop in the linkage. A short direct push rod to the lower aileron and the Aileron Connecting rod between both ailerons.

A few are using the single servo in the center to drive all four ailerons.

khodges

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I resemble that remark.

I've been into all things BirdDog all day, just wanted to see what was going on in WACOland. I figured after that question from Clipwing that everyone was out trying to find the answer. John's got too good an inside line on things, living so close to CCA. It's going to be damn hard to miss the AWC fly-in this year. I PM'd John about it last week; I've got to beg out this year, the money to go out there needs to go to some opportunities that came up for my daughters this summer, dance for my older one and scholastics for my younger. My 15 yr old was selected for an honors dance competition and clinic in New York, and my 10 yr old gets to go to Wake Forest University as part of a gifted student course for a week. I'll look forward to the fly-in for 2009. Maybe Ken K will have the Dr-1 flying by then, and there will be a few more "new" Waco's to drool over.

John,
Les didn't offer to take you up in the Texan for doing the CD for him? Or are you holding out for the Mustang?

skylarkmk1

Ken,

I would have jumped into the back seat if I knew he was going up for a spin, but I was busy elsewhere when he taxied by[:@]. He definitely is smooth and makes it look easy. A lot of guys where getting back to legal by doing the required take off and landings after the winter layoff, so no passengers. Ken K. took the L-4 out, did a tied down run up to shake the kinks out of the engine, a very complete preflight and then took it up and did his required take offs and landings so his wife could take it up later in the afternoon. Feb was pretty bad this year with more freezing rain, sleet and icing than snow, so not much flying was done.

Clipwing

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skylarkmk,
Thanks so much for the info on the UBF now IF I can connect all the dots.......I have both the 1/6 and the 1/5 pica waco kits tucked away and a set of plans (enlarged for a sport scale version from an old article in Model Builder YMF 5 by Al Wheeler)-am plotting to build this up as a funday flier-"UBF like" plane. Saving the pica kits for a later day.
a threat: I may be back asking more questions--but isn't that the purpose of this thread ! Thanks again.......!

Appreciated your comments RE the Monocoupe fly-in--I do know about it -as I have trecked up to Dauster Field/Creve Coeur for all but one of the Coupe Fly-ins--each time bringing one of my clipwing Monocoupes-or this past year my newest 1/3 90A. Have you gone up for that?? I'm a living breathing member of that type club for many years, thus the online name---Clipwing //my avatar is my 1/3rd clippedwing(my plans).Yes unfortunately this past one was a smaller affair.
I know Terry Chast. to talk to /Al Stk./ John (he owns a Coupe too) and several other of the Coupe owners. Is the YKS that you mentioned the yellow one that was in Terrys hanger last Oct.??He does amazing work !!!!
Took a slew of pix this past year of the Wacos in the big hangers but silly me never thought to pull out the measuring tape an make notes !! would love to make the trip up for the waco fly-in but its a 12 +hour drive from the heart of dixie--so it will have to go on my "to do someday" list.

***would like to also complement ALL that have contributed to this Waco thread-have read all of it and there is a ton of choice information here/a mixture of 1=1 real waco stuff and the modeling kind---down right excellent!!!

finally : I "design" planes for the flight simulator X-plane and recently uploaded the attached--a UBF can you tell? !!
also a 2nd paint ///and a QDC cabin Waco ! enjoy

skylarkmk1

Clipwing,

Your simulator UBF has a paint scheme is very similar to Alex’s UMF above. I have a picture of NC 11427 in my files (from the net). The only Yellow Waco that Terry was working on this past year was the ATO (NC 663N). He did take the YKC (NC 3NX) to the hanger to swap engines with the YKS (which I believe was originaly White with Light Blue). The only Yellow cabin model I have seen at CCA was the SRE (NC 58785) that attended the 2007 Fly In. You are correct that Terry does fantastic work.

Is the picture (P3) below of you towing the White and Orange Monocoupe at the 2007 Fly In?

P1 The wheel and Instrument panel Terry crafted for the YKS restoration
P2 Close up of the laminations
P3 The Monocoupe Fly In

I have a CD with pictures of 3 UBFs (NC 155Y included) and 3 QFCs along with another of other Wacos that were at the AWC 2007 Fly In (see page 212, post 5281)

RCBOATMANIAC

Okay it is Saturday and I was a little bored after going out and blowing snow that Mother Nature seems to think we need. So now I have her legs secured beneath her now so now I can move onto another part of the build. I also got a burr up the saddle and I went ahead and put the blisters on the cowl I'd have to admit it didn't turn out to bad, but here are a couple of pics to see the progress.

Clipwing

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Skylarkmk

OH my I have been caught in the act so to speak----yes P3 is me and the 90A coupe!! the fellow on the right is Jim Harvey-has a red and white coupe based at CCA-named "Snappy"

I'm sure I have a pix of the Waco that I'm refering too ....I'm not sure which varrient it is

Yes -part of the reason I placed the pix of 11427 was because of Alex's UMF--I adore this plane & paint job and also have a number of pix in my files .
yes I remember the CD----could I get a copy ???
my favorite in the big hanger is the cream and brown UMF ? 2091K--not real flashy but tastefull !
while crusing the hangers we also found 11247--do you know that one -a real beauty !!!
(now to see if I can load these pix)