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    RE: WACO YMF

    khodges- I think the li'l Fokker will be fun, but I'm itchin' to build a WACO. My Sportsman Aviation WACO 60 has a Saito 1.00 twin and only lacks final assembly. ......sorry 'bout the arf reference guys, I know some of ya'll are sensitive. Forgive me Lord and bless all them starvin' pygmies down 'ere in El Salvadore......

    Anyway, khodges, PM me when you want to go float flyin'. My plane is ready to go.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Now that I have all the fuselage parts cut (except for the sheeting) (I have templates for this), I will begin tracing these parts and sending them to what will be the web-page for this. This is supposed to open in the appropriate scale in order for you guys to be able to just print out what you need. I will also include the templates for the sheeting, as well as the top wing incidence template.

    Once I get the wing parts cut and posted, I will also include the modifications for the wing joiners, and the modifications for the appropriate wing ribs that are affected by these modifications.

    The landing gear wires and cabane struts will also be traced, as will the Interplane struts.

    Is there anything that you guys can think of that you want, or need? If so, please post your wants and needs.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Wow, What a long read. I happen to be doing exactly as you are stickbuider. I bought a busa 1/4 cub and the busa 1/4 L-4 plans. The kit is being built mostly stock and I traced the parts to make templates for the L-4 and cut them out. Pretty much a two-fer. I would like to get in on a Waco build also. Beautiful plane, and have had a soft spot for it for quite awhile. I've pretty much run my course on war birds and plan on moving on to golden age civilian. Maybe some WW1 too.
    Edwin

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    RE: WACO YMF

    ORIGINAL: Ernest-T

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    Hi anyone out there looking for info on pica waco ymf 1/6 scale,wing incedince,both,stab incidence and cg any info would be helpful Please email to gallagher@mhcable.com yhanx Chris
    I took a quick look at some old plans of the 1/6 scale WACO. The CG is 4.5" back from the LE of the top wing. There is no mention of incidence angles that I can find on the plans or manual (but I took only a quick look). It seems like the incidence was set with a jig for the top wing, and the bottom wing was pretty much locked in by the wing saddle.

    My plans are pretty damaged, but from what I can tell the top wing is has 0.5 - 1 degrees of positive, and the bottom wing has 0 degrees using the flat bottom portion of the wing as a reference line. The stab probably has at least 2 degrees positive. I would bet that someone out there can give you more accurate numbers. If not, let me know and I'll try to get more accurate measurments.
    These are correct mesurments for this plane. They are the same as my 33% YMF5
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    RE: WACO YMF

    I'm not sure if I'm in the right place, but I have a question regarding an old Pitts Special. My father left it to me 2 years ago. He was an avid RC Airplane man and built and flew his planes for 20 years or more. His Pitts Special is probably 35 years old, is in wonderful condition and by the comments we've gotten from other RC enthusiasts, of some value. The problem is, I don't know who to ask the right questions to. I came upon this site via the Internet Search and am hoping that someone here will be able to give me some direction. I would appreciate any constructive advice that can be offered. Sincerely, songwriter1112

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    RE: WACO YMF

    What is your qiuestion?


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    RE: WACO YMF

    I am interested in knowing any information about the Pitts Special and a possibly it's value. Thank-you. Songwriter1112

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Songwriter,

    Sorry about your loss. Before we can give you any info on your fathers Pitts Special, we need to know some information about it.

    1. What is the wingspan of the top wing/bottom wing?
    2. What is the fuselage length?
    3. What motor is/was installed or used.
    4. Any idea on the maker of the kit? (this may be difficult with out finding the plans if they are still around) or did your father scratch build it?
    5. What radio did he use in it?
    6. Overall weight.
    7. Any markings on any of the parts when looking inside the fuselage with the bottom wing off (if removable)

    A picture is worth a 1000 words, so post a couple and let us see the Pitts. Someone may be able to visually identify it.

    Ask any of his (older) flying buddies if they know anything about it, if you can still contact them (you seem to think it is about 35 years old).

    You may want to post this as a seperate thread in the Vintage & Antique RC, RC Scale Aircraft and possibly Kit Building sections and broaden the response base. A title like "Help Identifying this Pitts Special" with the above information and specific questions may get the answers you seek.
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    Thank-you for the help. I have a place to begin with the plane my dad left me. Sincerely, Songwriter1112

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Will your tracings include the forward fuselage mods you've described in prev. posts? Will your generous offerings include a hardware list or is one included on or with the PICA plans? Would the 'glass parts be from Stan's, Fiberglass Specialties..? Any brackets. etc that would or could be machined or laser cut from steel or aluminum? If there are some aluminum or steel parts in the cabanes, interplane mounts or landing gear that you guys would like produced I would be glad to do 'em. STICKBUILDER- Let me know. I can get 'em done if laser cut or I can shear, punch, bend stuff myself and pass them along at cost + postage. I'd prefer to do pieces for 5 to 10 planes. SO, if you fellers are serious about building, just let me know. Again, not for financial gain but for the satisfaction of helping to perpetuate the WACO BROTHERHOOD.
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    ORIGINAL: damifino

    Will your tracings include the forward fuselage mods you've described in prev. posts? Will your generous offerings include a hardware list or is one included on or with the PICA plans? Would the 'glass parts be from Stan's, Fiberglass Specialties..? Any brackets. etc that would or could be machined or laser cut from steel or aluminum? If there are some aluminum or steel parts in the cabanes, interplane mounts or landing gear that you guys would like produced I would be glad to do 'em. STICKBUILDER- Let me know. I can get 'em done if laser cut or I can shear, punch, bend stuff myself and pass them along at cost + postage. I'd prefer to do pieces for 5 to 10 planes. SO, if you fellers are serious about building, just let me know. Again, not for financial gain but for the satisfaction of helping to perpetuate the WACO BROTHERHOOD.
    damifino,

    Please excuse my doing a complete quote, but it is easier for me to answer you and not miss anything this way. Hardware list...WOW, that is a lot of parts. I will attempt to do so. Sorry, Pica was a little lax in listing anything. Thus the need for tracing the parts. The original plan does include the templates for the sheeting and the incidence gage. I have not seen the plans that AMA offers, so I do not know if they are included. It is a small matter for me to copy these. The fiberglass parts are at the builder's discretion. I have found the quality of Stan's parts to be a little above those from Fiberglass Specialists. F/S parts normally have quite a few pin holes and voids. Can't speak for Stans WACO pieces, but others that I have used over the years have not had these defects. There are a couple of pieces that need to be made form steel, and these are the Wheel pant brackets. I will post the drawings for these. You may wish to offer Landing gear wires and Cabane wires. Also rather than use the molded nylon L brackets for the Interplane struts, and the cowl mounts, you might wish to consider making them from aluminum. The build requires 14 of them. I will post the dimensions of these as well. I will order 2 sets when I post the sizes and drawings. Please give me the cost, and I will remit immediately. Thank you for your kind offer.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Bill;
    I sent you an email. Email me back and I will send the pic.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    O! Fellow Bothers of the WACO--I send you greasings and salivations. Pardon me, I 'm giddy from unpacking the Waco. Looked at everything, scratching my head and doing preliminary planning on the details, and have come to one definite conclusion:

    That dinky-ass tailwheel has GOT to go. If nothing else on the plane gets changed, the tailwheel is outa here. I have looked and looked, but can't find dimensions for the wheels, so I did the next best thing. I printed a picture of a Waco in profile, and measured the wheels relative to each other. If you assume that the main wheels are correct on the model, then the tailwheel should be 1-3/4 inch diameter, because when you measure the picture with calipers, the tailwheel is half the diameter of the mains.

    I'm sure ARFs and kits get these teeny wheel to keep the tail weight down. I'm not sure yet how I want to procede, but will probably try a couple of different things, one involving carbon tubing, one with brass, both using piano wire for strength. I might even be able to spring load the thing.

    Heck, it's as good a place as any to start.
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    STICK- Will they be posted here? Thanks. Dimensioned sketches will be wonderful.
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    RE: WACO YMF


    Hi Bill, do you mind if I consult the Oracle?

    When I first posted on this thread I received an eMail notifying me of each new post. This is no longer the case, do you know why? I also find that the spellcheck is no longer available so if miss-spelling or typo's abound, sorry!

    I went to the London Model Engineer Exhibition last week, I saw a "Beugler" pinstriping tool, 3 different heads at a cost of about $280.00, too exensive. I found a new set with 13 heads @ $140.00 on eBay but the seller would not mail outside the 48. said he had had too much trouble with deadbeats, I don't know if I would have bought the kit for sure but was rather inclined to speculate on it. I tried out the tool at the show and it certainly produced a better line than I could ever make with a pinstriping brush. It had the facility for various widths and double lines too.

    I'm still fighting my wife's confuser to produce and post small images using her version of Photoshop.




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    Hi Bill, do you mind if I consult the Oracle?

    When I first posted on this thread I received an eMail notifying me of each new post. This is no longer the case, do you know why? I also find that the spellcheck is no longer available so if miss-spelling or typo's abound, sorry!

    I went to the London Model Engineer Exhibition last week, I saw a "Beugler" pinstriping tool, 3 different heads at a cost of about $280.00, too exensive. I found a new set with 13 heads @ $140.00 on eBay but the seller would not mail outside the 48. said he had had too much trouble with deadbeats, I don't know if I would have bought the kit for sure but was rather inclined to speculate on it. I tried out the tool at the show and it certainly produced a better line than I could ever make with a pinstriping brush. It had the facility for various widths and double lines too.

    I'm still fighting my wife's confuser to produce and post small images using her version of Photoshop.




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    ORIGINAL: old git


    Hi Bill, do you mind if I consult the Oracle?

    When I first posted on this thread I received an eMail notifying me of each new post. This is no longer the case, do you know why? I also find that the spellcheck is no longer available so if miss-spelling or typo's abound, sorry!

    I went to the London Model Engineer Exhibition last week, I saw a "Beugler" pinstriping tool, 3 different heads at a cost of about $280.00, too exensive. I found a new set with 13 heads @ $140.00 on eBay but the seller would not mail outside the 48. said he had had too much trouble with deadbeats, I don't know if I would have bought the kit for sure but was rather inclined to speculate on it. I tried out the tool at the show and it certainly produced a better line than I could ever make with a pinstriping brush. It had the facility for various widths and double lines too.

    I'm still fighting my wife's confuser to produce and post small images using her version of Photoshop.




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    John L,

    I tried using a Beugler pinstriping tool back about 1960 or 1961. I did not have much luck with it. It is a glass container, and the applicator was a wheel that distributed the paint as it rolled across the surface. I cleaned the project, and went back to my trusty old Gumbacher 00 dagger brush, and Artist's One Shot paint thinned to the correct consistency using mineral spirits. This gave me a much better job, and I continue to use it until this day. You can purchase the dagger brushes from Gumbacher or from Mac. Sizes that you might be interested in are: 0, 00, 1. The larger the number, the larger the brush. Rest the heel of your hand on the work surface to steady your hand, and pull the brush along. Try drawing a straight line freehand, and you will see how difficult to do that this is. Next try pulling a straight line with a pencil, and you will find it to be very easy. Practice on a junk piece (an old car mudguard is excellent).

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    ORIGINAL: damifino

    STICK- Will they be posted here? Thanks. Dimensioned sketches will be wonderful.

    damifino,

    Post your needs, and I will try to accomodate them. Please accept my apologies for taking a little longer than normal to respond. Work load is getting heavier.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    My experience with small, stressed aluminum parts on models is that they tend to crack and break sooner or later. The interplane mounts and cabane mounts, if buried in the wing or fuselage, are nothing short of a b*tch to repair if needed. My prefered material for these parts is stainless steel, first, then brass as a second choice. The stainless steel laser cuts beautifully and will last forever. The weight penalty is practically nil because the same bracket in stainless can be half the thickness of the same part in aluminum. Keep up your good work.........

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    I will post a picture of the, "L" brackets this weekend with the dimensions thereof. I understand the chances of work hardening of these parts. Stainless would work just fine, as would Brass. If you are upp to it, I may want you to look at making the trunion for the adjustable incidence H-stab. Are you up to making a set of Landing gear? This would be comprised of the mount, the main legs, the rear mount and legs, and the bungee strut. I can provide you with the dimensions of these parts as well.

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    Yes, I can do 'em all. Do you want to post them here or e-mail them to me?
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    RE: WACO YMF

    Bill:
    Looking back at your Cowl and then looking back at my old 1/6th Dave Platt; the cowl blisters are different. Looking at the full scale pictures and they look like yours. Looking at my just arrived epoxy/glass cowl and looks like my old Dave Platt????

    Could your blisters be scale to the YMF-5 and mine are of the YMF-3??
    Is this one difference between the full scales?

    Also:
    Anyone have a diagram of the flying wires? I have studied many pictures and can not come up with the exact locations for mounting etc

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    ORIGINAL: Hughes500E

    Bill:
    Looking back at your Cowl and then looking back at my old 1/6th Dave Platt; the cowl blisters are different. Looking at the full scale pictures and they look like yours. Looking at my just arrived epoxy/glass cowl and looks like my old Dave Platt????

    Could your blisters be scale to the YMF-5 and mine are of the YMF-3??
    Is this one difference between the full scales?

    Also:
    Anyone have a diagram of the flying wires? I have studied many pictures and can not come up with the exact locations for mounting etc
    I'm gonna go bass ackwards here. If you will look on the website for the Waco owners club, you can find several photos that show the flying wire locations for the YMF.

    As far as I know the major difference between the 3, and the 5 were how the planes were finished out, with the 5 being the most luxurious of the two. As to the difference in the blisters, I would think that It comes down to who is doing the work. Mine is a 3, and not a 5. Whoever made your cowl may have made the mold with the blisters smaller in order to make the part easier to get out of the mold, or it may have been a case where it looks about right, or that's close enough. Me, I'm dumb enough to strive for the scale appearence, and not settle for close enough. Who did you get your cowl from?

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    ORIGINAL: damifino

    Yes, I can do 'em all. Do you want to post them here or e-mail them to me?
    I'll e-mail them to you, and we can discuss the idea's that I have. I don't want to cause any confusion in the thread by posting unproven ideas.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Stan's new owner Brad.
    It's interesting that my 1/6th Waco is built the same way. I know the gentleman that built it and it would have been as per plan.
    Did you place your blisters as per plan?

    This is interesting!


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