Register

If this is your first visit, please click the Sign Up now button to begin the process of creating your account so you can begin posting on our forums! The Sign Up process will only take up about a minute of two of your time.

Page 42 of 715 FirstFirst ... 3240414243445292142542 ... LastLast
Results 1,026 to 1,050 of 17862

Thread: WACO YMF


  1. #1026
    damifino's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Winston Salem, NC
    Posts
    681
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    I'll e-mail them to you, and we can discuss the idea's that I have. I don't want to cause any confusion in the thread by posting unproven ideas.
    That is a good plan. PM me when you are ready and we'll exchange e-mail addresses and phone #'s. Thanks
    Everybody knows you can\'\'t make a time machine out of a Tilt-A-Whirl.........-:WACO Brotherhood 25:-

  2. #1027
    Stickbuilder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Leesburg, FL
    Posts
    8,570
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    damifino,

    PM sent to you.

    Bill, AMA 4720
    WACO Brotherhood #1
    Its easy, just glue all the pieces together, and sand off everything that doesnt look like an airplane.

  3. #1028

    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Gulf Breeze, FL
    Posts
    201
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    I know I'll get corrected by the experts here, but in all my studies of the YMF-3 vs YMF-5, the only difference is the vertical tail. The lateral stability of the -3 wasn't sufficient so they made a larger vertical tail and called it the -5. All -3's were retrofitted with the larger tail so in effect, they are all -5's. This info came from a reprint of an Air Classics article by Phil Mercier that I have(don't remember the date of the issue).
    Here is a quote from the article:
    " By mid-1934, with 12 MF's completed, there arose a minor but potentially dangerous problem. Complaints were voiced about inadequate directional control during ground operation and slow flight configuration. This was corrected by enlarging the vertical tail surfaces. All models from the 13th machine on had this "fix", and were redesignated -5 models. All earlier -3's were recalled, at customer descretion, to have verticals of increased area added. As far as can be ascertained all of the F-3's were returned or retrofitted with the F-5 vertical surfaces at the factory or at Waco dealerships."

    Bill Hogue
    WACO Brotherhood #21

  4. #1029

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Omaha, NE
    Posts
    572
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    H-500,
    Do you have a set of the Pica plans and or the booklet? There is a template that is used to determine the spacing on the blisters. My cowl was completed to that point, so I did not check to see if these were spaced exactly or not. However, the marks are still on the cowl where the spacing was marked out and it looks about right.
    If there is something I can pass along to you let me know.
    Jim,
    WACO Brotherhood #3, AMA 816592, IMAA 41683,

  5. #1030
    Hughes500E's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Armstrong, BC, CANADA
    Posts
    1,499
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    Thanks Jim,
    I see the template on the fuse sheet. I am still curious about this, they must have made a change along the way. I have to assume that this was not a case of close enough 'cause I believe it would be harder to do it in spaced groups of two like this.
    Anyone have the plans for the older Dave Platt 1/6th? Can you check on it and see if it is the same as these pictures?


    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Nl28276.jpg 
Views:	13 
Size:	14.1 KB 
ID:	607611   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Hc92591.jpg 
Views:	10 
Size:	9.6 KB 
ID:	607612  

  6. #1031

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Omaha, NE
    Posts
    572
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    H-500
    Interesting, now that I see your cowl, It almost looks like they were trying to define each cylinder,
    whether the valve gear was under the narrow or wide blisters, it sure looks to me as if that was the intent.
    On another note here's a shot of the wing tabs (thank you ronj10) and the right side interplane strut I had to build to accomodate the extra positive stagger the prior owner built into the plane.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Xv64818.jpg 
Views:	15 
Size:	35.4 KB 
ID:	607635   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Dy79447.jpg 
Views:	16 
Size:	53.4 KB 
ID:	607636  
    Jim,
    WACO Brotherhood #3, AMA 816592, IMAA 41683,

  7. #1032
    Hughes500E's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Armstrong, BC, CANADA
    Posts
    1,499
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    Looks good Jim,
    I must of overbuilt mine

    So I'm looking at the template you showed me and on my manual, page 39 shows the blisters in the exact same locations as my glass cowl in the pictures above. I am unsure as to why Pica would do this but if your guys' plans and templates are different than mine, then we found another difference in the age of these kits [:'(]

    That explains why my 1/6th is the same as this one as well, NUTS!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Ki19918.jpg 
Views:	12 
Size:	15.0 KB 
ID:	607658   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Yt61535.jpg 
Views:	12 
Size:	12.2 KB 
ID:	607659  

  8. #1033

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Auckland, NEW ZEALAND
    Posts
    1,926
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    Blister spacing appears to be dertermined by the engine fit of the original airplane. A quick troll through various full size Waco photos shows differing spacings on U/YMF's and also differing blister shapes. I guess that this cowl is as scale as any other, but you need to determine the original engine fit to ensure the dummy engine looks right.
    Evan WB#12.

  9. #1034
    Hughes500E's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Armstrong, BC, CANADA
    Posts
    1,499
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    I guess that this cowl is as scale as any other
    I found a full scale, and it looks like a group of two. As a matter of fact, it is the same as my old 1/6th scale, same colors and serial numbers. These plans I purchased must be the same model as well to have the groups of two, going by the manual and blister template. Interesting, I still don't like it , but at least I know it's scale!

    [:'(]


    YMF-3 NC14031 matches my Cowl
    http://www.nationalwacoclub.com/f3f5...4031%2003.html

  10. #1035
    Stickbuilder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Leesburg, FL
    Posts
    8,570
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF


    ORIGINAL: Hughes500E

    I guess that this cowl is as scale as any other
    I found a full scale, and it looks like a group of two. As a matter of fact, it is the same as my old 1/6th scale, same colors and serial numbers. These plans I purchased must be the same model as well to have the groups of two, going by the manual and blister template. Interesting, I still don't like it , but at least I know it's scale!

    [:'(]


    YMF-3 NC14031 matches my Cowl
    http://www.nationalwacoclub.com/f3f5...4031%2003.html
    I'm not sure that anyone knows for sure which one is correct. What I am willing to do is this: If you will contact Stan's and ask them if they are willing, I will provide them with my new cowl and will attach the blisters, or send the blisters unattached for them to use as a plug. They can then, pull a mold, and lay up glass cowls for those of us who are resurrecting these old beasts. All I would ask is that they not destroy my cowl, and that they return it to me. If they wanted to be real nice, they could also include one of the glass cowls for my trouble.

    Bill, AMA 4720
    WACO Brotherhood #1
    Its easy, just glue all the pieces together, and sand off everything that doesnt look like an airplane.

  11. #1036
    Hughes500E's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Armstrong, BC, CANADA
    Posts
    1,499
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    WOW, that is nice of you Bill. I will contact Brad myself and explain this all to him.
    At least I understand what's happening now.

    My apology's everyone, I really have my heart and soul into scratchbuilding this one. When the cowl came in "different" to what I have been looking at and studying, I was crushed!

    Sorry!

  12. #1037

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Omaha, NE
    Posts
    572
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    H-500,
    I checked the spacing on my cowl and the blisters are evenly spaced, then I pulled the plan and sure enough, the template has the blisters grouped just like your cowl. I then took a look at my instruction manual, it only has 13 pages with no reference or photos of the cowl, just a simple drawing without blisters.
    I'm not sure what the heck I've got, the box indicates that several versions of the WACO can be built but the plans only show the open or closed cockpit version. It also show the outline of the tail feathers on the closed cockpit which are considerably different than the YMF - 3 / 5.
    Jim,
    WACO Brotherhood #3, AMA 816592, IMAA 41683,

  13. #1038
    Hughes500E's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Armstrong, BC, CANADA
    Posts
    1,499
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    More to come on this but the kit/plans with the #'s NC4031, the proper scale cowl is the one with the blisters in groups of two.
    My plans have these numbers but I like the single spaced cowl better and I'm hoping the 3 cylinder Saito rockers line up better, I just won't use the NC4031 #'s

    Getting pretty tight in the scale dept with all this
    Depending on timing, I may swap the cowls later........

  14. #1039

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Auckland, NEW ZEALAND
    Posts
    1,926
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    Heh heh heh, I can just see where this thread is going. Two modellers out on the field, peering into the cockpit of an old 1/4 scale YMF..."I see you've put the mag switch 1" left of the battery master". "Yeah, its C/N 302, the bloke drilling the original full size panel slipped and the first hole was 3/16" out so he just put the switch in the new place, I had to take a couple of photos of the restored one and match it with the old blueprints, but I know it's scale!"
    Evan, WB#12.

  15. #1040
    Hughes500E's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Armstrong, BC, CANADA
    Posts
    1,499
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    Sssshhhh I'm already losing sleep over the non scale Interplane strut mounts []
    Now someone told you about my cockpit, egad [:-]


  16. #1041
    flyguy888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    coon rapids, MN
    Posts
    160
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    If your planes detail is causing you to be anxious or lose sleep maybe it is because you are not building it for yourself but to gain approval of someone else. That is always a bad reason to do anything.
    No model plane is completely scale. Though some indeed come mighty close. You have to decide what fits you for detail - not what fits someone elses idea. No matter how scale you make your airplane there are those who walk up to every new plane at the field and have to find something wrong with it. You should not be building your plane for these types of people but for yourself.
    If you love to build you have to pay the price
    Waco Brother #7

  17. #1042
    Stickbuilder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Leesburg, FL
    Posts
    8,570
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF


    ORIGINAL: ronj10

    If your planes detail is causing you to be anxious or lose sleep maybe it is because you are not building it for yourself but to gain approval of someone else. That is always a bad reason to do anything.
    No model plane is completely scale. Though some indeed come mighty close. You have to decide what fits you for detail - not what fits someone elses idea. No matter how scale you make your airplane there are those who walk up to every new plane at the field and have to find something wrong with it. You should not be building your plane for these types of people but for yourself.
    Amen!! Remember guys, everything that we do is just an illusion. The switches ond knobs on my IP are not really switches or knobs, and they operate nothing. Those who look at it are given the impression that they are functional, thus the illusion. The same goes for the fuel tank fillers. They see threaded brass, and removable caps, but if you were to pump avgas into the holes, you would get wing disassembley in pretty short order. If it looks right, then go with it, and enjoy. Most of the changes that I make on these old kits are to improve the building, or the strength or both. The mods that I am doing on the Landing Gear on the next one will be to stop the dreaded bounce on landing that we get with stiff, unyielding landing gear wire.

    Trust me here, if you do a reasonably good job of framing, and covering and finishing your WACO, it will be a hit at your field, and you will become the, "Ace of the Base". (at least for a day)
    Its easy, just glue all the pieces together, and sand off everything that doesnt look like an airplane.

  18. #1043
    Stickbuilder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Leesburg, FL
    Posts
    8,570
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    To: CHRISMH,

    I have the fuselage parts traced, and ready to send to you for posting on the website. I need your e-mail address since I cannot e-mail a website. The first posting has 16 pages of full size parts. Each page has a size reference drawn. If it does not copy at the size indicated, you will need to correct the part before cutting. All parts show the dimension of the material, and also the kind/s of material used. The modification/s for using a radial mount are indicated, as is the stock part configuration for those who wish to use the Maple engine bearers. Also the provisions for making the tank a rear loader are shown as well. This is a major undertaking, and I sure hope that some of you build one. It was worth the time spent. This one won't die.

    Bill,
    AMA 4720
    WACO Brotherhood #1
    Its easy, just glue all the pieces together, and sand off everything that doesnt look like an airplane.

  19. #1044
    Stickbuilder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Leesburg, FL
    Posts
    8,570
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    I don't know when i'll hear from ChrisMH again. He said that we could utilize his website to make getting the templates from easier, but I can't e-mail to a website, I must e-mail to an e-mail address. I have all the fuse parts scanned, and ready. Here is a preview.

    Bill, AMA 4720
    WACO Brotherhood #1
    Its easy, just glue all the pieces together, and sand off everything that doesnt look like an airplane.

  20. #1045
    Stickbuilder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Leesburg, FL
    Posts
    8,570
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    Well, you will have to click on the bottom right to open them in full size, but it looks as if they will be usable.

    Bill, AMA 4720
    WACO Brotherhood #1
    Its easy, just glue all the pieces together, and sand off everything that doesnt look like an airplane.

  21. #1046
    Stickbuilder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Leesburg, FL
    Posts
    8,570
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    And the last one. Okay, guys... these are all the cut parts for the fuselage. The sheeting templates are on page 3 of the plans. You can cut them, cause I'm not gonna.

    Bill, AMA 4720
    WACO Brotherhood #1
    Its easy, just glue all the pieces together, and sand off everything that doesnt look like an airplane.

  22. #1047

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Auckland, NEW ZEALAND
    Posts
    1,926
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    Oh dear Brother #2, it appears others were taking us seriously...!
    Evan, WB#12.

  23. #1048
    Stickbuilder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Leesburg, FL
    Posts
    8,570
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    What am I taking too seriously Dear Brother #12 ?????? Methinks you misdirected your reply.

    Bill, AMA 4720
    WACO Brotherhood #1
    Its easy, just glue all the pieces together, and sand off everything that doesnt look like an airplane.

  24. #1049

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Auckland, NEW ZEALAND
    Posts
    1,926
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    Not at all Brother #1, sir, we was just taking the `Which cowl is the proper scale one' quandary to its illogical limit...
    Evan, WB#12.

  25. #1050

    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    newton, NC
    Posts
    5,437
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: WACO YMF

    Here's my Sunday afternoon project, complete except for some fine sanding and paint.

    In the first pic, you see the rough materials, cut oversize so they can be trimmed as I go. The bent wires are 1/16 piano wire, the heavier one is 1/8 piano wire. The brass tubing is 5/32 for the legs and upper post, 3/16 for the crosspiece and sleeve that fits over the post. The tailwheel is a 1-3/4 Klett, and takes a 1/8 brass tube for an axle.

    I first soldered the two bent pieces; they are bent to clear the wheel with the brass legs in place when they straddle the wheel.
    Next, I cut the crosspiece to length, with the ends at a 45 degree angle, and slit it across the top edge so it would fit over the bent wires. I aligned it and used silver solder paste to solidly fix it to the wires.

    Next I trimmed the legs, slid them onto the bent wires, after trimming the wires so the brass overhung the ends. This is so you can flatten the ends of the brass to make a spot to drill them for the axle. The brass legs are cut to a length that allows the wheel to clear the crosspiece. These legs are also firmly silver soldered in place, and the corners are filled in.

    After that, the portion of the small wires that fit into the post are trimmed, so that the larger diameter wire can also be inserted into the post (this wire is the same diameter as the tailwheel wire included with the ARF). The large wire is inserted into one end of the brass tube post, the ends of the smaller wires are inserted in the other end, and the assembly is firmly silver soldered.

    Next I added small brass gussets on top and underneath the corners of the wheel forks. These are soldered with regular solder, so thet they will bond at a lower temp and not risk melting the solder that holds the forks together.

    Now, I made a sleeve and brace that fits over the post. The brace on the prototype has a pivot because the wheel post is sprung, but I did not spring the model's assembly, so the brace is just soldered in place. This sleeve slides over the post, brace to the rear,will stay in place with the body cover attached.

    I took a jeweler's file and cleaned up all the solder joints, and then sanded the entire thing, and put the wheel in place. I cut a couple of spacers for either side of the tailwheel axle to keep the wheel centered, and placed a piece of piano wire through the brass axle; a drop of Ca on either end will hold the pin in place after the assembly is painted.

    More pics in the next post.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Nl30701.jpg 
Views:	15 
Size:	112.8 KB 
ID:	608645   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Mi22104.jpg 
Views:	15 
Size:	79.7 KB 
ID:	608646   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Ty65659.jpg 
Views:	15 
Size:	228.0 KB 
ID:	608647   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Lj23715.jpg 
Views:	16 
Size:	74.0 KB 
ID:	608648   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Vq50352.jpg 
Views:	20 
Size:	54.0 KB 
ID:	608649  

    Club Saito #2, WACO Brotherhood #20. What other trouble can I get into?


Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:23 AM.

SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.