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Old 06-20-2011, 01:27 PM
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Progress!!!
All the covering is done and the first application of Poly-brush is applied. Using Stitts uncertified lightweight glider fabric from F&M.

I had to recover one wing panel. As I walked around my bench to trim a piece of covering, I tripped on my extension cord, lost my balance and sliced about a foot-long slit in the covering with the razor blade[:@][:@] Thank goodness I had enough covering material left over.

Amazing how small it is when all the bits and pieces are removed!

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Looking real good there mogman.
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Thanks, Robert.

Two setbacks have cropped up. We have just lost our flying field, and Hans in Switzerland has sent my flying wires, but we have a nationwide postal strike/lockout happening. Who knows how long that will last! I'll have to think about making some alternate flying wires[:@]
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I know how you feel, currently waiting on wheel pant's and just ordered some new paint so will be waiting on that. As you may have noticed I am takeing this timeto add scale details I did not plan on doing at the start. So,You have plenty of time with all the detail work. Stitching, pinking tape and whatever else your planning on doing. Don't get in a hurry and try something that in the long run you won't like. There is no time limit on when it has to be done.
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ORIGINAL: mogman Thanks, Robert. Two setbacks have cropped up. We have just lost our flying field, and Hans in Switzerland
has sent my flying wires, but we have a nationwide postal strike/lockout happening. Who knows how long that will last! I'll have to think
about making some alternate flying wires[:@]
UPS is still deliverying as is DHL and others. Do you have friends over the border...aka ala Stateside who would be entrusted to receive
your items for you and forward via UPS to you or you pick up from them???? Just a thought considering the shipping arrangements I am
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Ed, it's already been sent priority mail. Let's just hope the strike doesn't drag on too long.
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To Mogman

We also recently lost our flying field after 35 years. This is happening all over due to urban creep. We have found a new site and have just put down our new runway which is 160 meters long and 10 meters wide. (See image)

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ORIGINAL: Errol Levin To Mogman We also recently lost our flying field after 35 years. This is happening all over
due to urban creep. We have found a new site and have just put down our new runway which is 160 meters long and 10
meters wide. (See image)
Because these things tend to be considered private and most clubs consider it a prideful issue delt with typically by denial it
exists...encroachment is real and something clubs fail to manage and fall victim to.

It is important to make sure your club has a committee with the sole purpose of managing the encroachment of your flying site.
This is a good reason for "not" owning the flying site...leasing provides necessary mobility in encroachment incidents. I encourage
you and your club to investigate public land use. Don't laugh... you would be amased by the amount of public lands which are out
there for your use...with proper approach and management proposals.

These properties belong to:

Federal Land Management.

State Land Management.

Cities.

Counties/Parishes.

It is not difficult to acquire use of these lands. It only requires exercising professional proposal skills to express your clubs skill set
to manage a property better than is currently being exercised. These properties could have had previously been set aside as parks
and recreational areas...suffering budget constraints at all the above levels. Yes, it rolls down hill...

Preparing "written" professional reading and looking proposals and making presentations is key to looking and sounding like you can
do the job better than those who own the property...who ever they are. Tie yourself to your area Economic Development Council at
the hip! Identify the lay of the land, drainage, population, expansion of development, debt due to an inability to pay property taxes,
francise taxes, properties acquired by Feds, State, local law enforcement as a result of criminal activities (See your County Judges).

[link=http://004edc4.netsolhost.com/Kendleton/Online%20Presentation/kendle_field_1.htm]An Example Of An Initial Presentation[/link]

Those are but a few directions you can go to acquire what you seek. I have done this three times. It gets easier all the time and the
land available keeps "growing". Yes, land availability is growing!

Do not let your club sit at another meeting whining about encroachment from anything! Take the subject to your Board Of Directors,
or Cliub Officers...privately requesting an explicit meeting to start the process. Deligate the activity across club members who have
management experience and exprience dealing with people on a daily basis. Find the one club member with the best computer skills
to work with your group to create a web site with which to create a proposal which can be viewed by whom you target for land use.

If you need assistance getting started... you are welcome to contact me via email for examples of how this is done...online.
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I know how you feel, currently waiting on wheel pant's and just ordered some new paint so will be waiting on that. As you may have noticed I am takeing this time to add scale details I did not plan on doing at the start. So,You have plenty of time with all the detail work. Stitching, pinking tape and whatever else your planning on doing. Don't get in a hurry and try something that in the long run you won't like. There is no time limit on when it has to be done.

Robert,

Be careful of the scale weight creep. It sneaks up on you and before you know it, you own Porky Pig.

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Hi Ed

Thanks for the offer, but we have pretty much sorted all the issues out and all that remains now is to complete the club house and get some grass down. The land we leased from the Witwatersrand University on a 3 year lease with the option to renew. The red tape was enormous dealing with all the academics at the university. However we are now sorted out and I will do my first flight there Sunday.

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Old 06-21-2011, 02:54 AM
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Ed

Don't you sleep? Isn't it the middle of the night there? It is 13H00 here in Johannesburg, so by my calculations it is 3 am there in Houston.

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ORIGINAL: Errol Levin Ed Don't you sleep? Isn't it the middle of the night there? It is 13H00 here in Johannesburg,
so by my calculations it is 3 am there in Houston. ERROL
Errol:

Its 6:00 AM CDST on the longest day of the year 6-21-2011. We typically get up between 3:30 AM and 4:30 AM. Its more an
element of you staying up late... :^) My post was for the benefit of domestic club sites...not international where I could be of
virtually no assistance.
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Thank's for the reminder Bill. I just weighed everything except the flying wires and wheel pants. She weighs 21.4lbs.
That includes the cans the paint is in. What do you think?
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Gentleman,  Are their any fiberglass parts out there for the 1/5  and 1/6 scale WACO YMF's   Cowlings, wheel pant fairings  etc,as I'm going to scratch build a 1/5 waco ymf, could you please let me know of any if there are any .  Thanks  George
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George, Fiber Glass Specialties has the UMF cowl and wheel pants for the 1/5 scale. Fibertech n More has the YMF cowl for 1/5 scale, I think they have the wheel pants also. I understand that the wheel pants need to be narrowed down to make them appear more scale in apperance
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ORIGINAL: rccrasher65 Gentleman, Are their any fiberglass parts out there for the 1/5 and 1/6 scale WACO YMF's
Cowlings, wheel pant fairings etc,as I'm going to scratch build a 1/5 waco ymf, could you please let me know of any if there
are any . Thanks George
Are you "scratch (aka design) building" or plan building a YMF?
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Jim, thanks for the info. John suggested I get my plans for the AMA plans service they are the ones i'm going to get, He said they are the 1/5 scale. I just wanted to be sure there are fiberglass parts befor I invest any money. I'mnew to the WACO forum but this has been a favorite of mine for many many years. Thanks George
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Please don't get that debate started again.
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ED I plan on purchasing the plans from the AMA plans service, I want to build the 1/5 scale YMF
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ORIGINAL: acerc Please don't get that debate started again.

? ? ? ? Debate? No debate, a commercially available plan built model is a plan built model. That's straight forward.
As far as "construction" they are identical...from either laser cut or hand cut wood. Too many people get caught
up in prideful issues of scratch or plan built models. The difference comes when competing with the model in the
class you compete in... Obviously both are assembled from cut wood...its the point of origin for the design that's
the difference in competition (AMA 115).
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George, Fiberglass N' More is the only company I am aware of that offers the YMF (equally spaced blisters ) cowl.
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ED I plan on purchasing the plans from the AMA plans service, I want to build the 1/5 scale YMF
Make sure to request the templates for the parts too.

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Per Greg Hahn-AMA. Design build is drawing your own plans. Scratch/plan build is building from comercial plans. And all fell under scratch build until 2010 when a particular fella didn't want to compete together because he drew his own plans and didn't feel he should have to compete with those that didn't.

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Per Greg Hahn-AMA. Design build is drawing your own plans. Scratch/plan build is building from
comercial plans. And all fell under scratch build until 2010 when a particular fella didn't want to compete together because he
drew his own plans and didn't feel he should have to compete with those that didn't.


Actually 515 has always been Designer Class where no commercial plan or kit models compete. In 2010 someone may have
tried to compete with a kit or plan built and a stink arose. :^) Rightfully so considering the massive amount of work. When I
was judging it never was an issue.

I can understand someone pre-registering for the NATs in 515 with a kit or plan built out of ignorance and it not being challenged
until weigh-in at static. At that point they got their back up when made aware of class differential. You would be amazed at the
number of people who never read the guidelines or definitions for the class they are entering.

Too often, at contests with lower entrant numbers, there is a desire to make things "simple" and invoke a 513 circumstanace with
only one 515 in attendence, though he should have entered Expert as a plan built. Plan built competitor may have swept into 512
as a combined class event, 513. Out of ignorance he then enters NATs as 515.

Scale Masters has contributed to this in that there are only two primary comp classes. Expert & Team. There is no break-out for
Designers. The AMA NATs is a combination USSMA Qualifier and AMA Scale Contest with static and flight judged using AMA protocol.
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