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    RE: WACO YMF

    Here you go Crick. www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3nnDg-6CBs
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    RE: WACO YMF

    Mitch,

    Thank you for that post. I may just give it a try.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Thanks Mitch, I doubt I will ever need to stitch the rib to the covering fabric, I have always wondered how it was done.
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    RE: WACO YMF


    ORIGINAL: nine o nine

    Here you go Crick. www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3nnDg-6CBs
    Mitch
    The only thing to not is that the type of rib stitching and type of knot can vary between aircraft. Always good to check how it is done on the full size of your chosen prototype.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Mitch,

    Thanks for the link. Now I need to find where one can get of those needles in a smaller scale.

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    RE: WACO YMF


    ORIGINAL: Cricklewood

    Mitch,

    Thanks for the link. Now I need to find where one can get of those needles in a smaller scale.

    Chris
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    Most good fabric / sewing stores should have something like that. Or, a sail maker if you should happen to have one near by.

    I was thinking about doing the stitching on my 1/5 scale Waco.. If I were to do it, I would just go around the rib and move to the next stitch without doing a knot at each location. My only question right now is how to finish off each end without having a big knot there. I'm looking at using a dacron line sold for fly fishing backing on the reel. It's 20 lb test and should show up under the pinked tape well, and it's cuts easily. It's also available in 30 #and I think 40#, If you need more bulk.

    I tried making my own sticth sheets as mentioned earlier but the paper Iused didn't work too well. Igot it from an old rubber kit. The string didn't bond very well with it. Ibought a sheet of silkspan today ( OO) and it's more absorbant, so hopefully it should work better. I'll give a progress report when I have one. I'm thiniing the silkspan side should go on the rib with the pinked tape directly over the stitch. Correct???

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Joe,

    Thank you for the mention of the sailmakers needle. I dug into my old sailing rigging gear and discovered that I have a curved needle that may just do the job. I will look into the fly fishing backing line to see hat they have.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Don't overthink the rib stitching guys as it's not at all necessary for models. The effect is all you're looking for so this is my suggestion. It's easy to just make a stitch around each rib and tie it off with any knot and poke the knot inside so it won't show.
    What most don't realize (and it'll only show on very close inspection) is that there's a reinforcing tape applied over and under each rib BEFORE the stitching is used. Over the whole procedure the pinked tape is applied.
    It's much extra work but the subtle look of stitches and tapes adds a visual dimension that separates hand built models from the ARFs.
    As far as special needles: make one from narrow guage music wire with a short 180 bend for the eye....simple. Mitch

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Mitch,

    I am not clear on your comment:

    "What most don't realize (and it'll only show on very close inspection) is that there's a reinforcing tape applied over and under each rib BEFORE the stitching is used. Over the whole procedure the pinked tape is applied."

    Do you mean that a a reinforcing tape is applied to the rib, the covering is put on and then a second reinforcing tape is put over the covering or there is a reinforcing tape over the covering on each side, top and bottom, of the wing?

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    RE: WACO YMF

    I believe what Mitch is saying is that the wing is covered, a narrow strip of reinforcing tape (same width as the rib is applied, helps prevent tearing of the fabric at the stitch, rivit or screw), and then the pinked tape. Here is another video on rib stitching http://www.wicksaircraft.com/rib_stitching_video.html provided by Wicks Aircraft Supply http://www.wicksaircraft.com/index.html where you can clearly see the first reinforcing tape applied to the wing with the stitching being done over the tape.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    As John explained....a reenforcing tape (same width as the rib capstrip) goes on after the fabric, then rib stitches, then pinked tape (usually 2" wide). Modelers usually leave off the reenforcing tape unless your doing for museum quality as it hardly shows even on full scale. Sorry if I wasn't clear Chris. Mitch

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Mitch and John,

    Thank you for the explanation. Mitch, probably more my brain not being clear than your description. Now I just need to get to building the plane to try it on.


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    RE: WACO YMF

    Spent most of the day at Monster Planes, and our own Dave Collis AKA Mogman WB 180 was the first plane in the air. We had to wait a while to get clearance to fly since there are some VIP people (or so they claim) in Tampa, and the Paradise field is right on the edge of the 30 mile circle that the FAA imposes when Barry or Mitt and even the Veep and the Next Veep are in the area. We got that lifted and Dave fired up his 40% Waco and lifted off. Beautiful scale flight. Pictures when Janelle gets home and loads them for me.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Are any of the members going to be at Monster Planes on Sunday? My schedule does not permit me to get there any other day. I would like to meet some of the Brotherhood if you are there.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    jimm, sorry[][] your going to be disappointed, Monster Planes runs from the 25th through the 27th the field will be open for those who hang around on the 28th i beleive till 3 p.m. you might want to try and adjust your sked. and try to go Sat. afternoon, there should still be a few members hanging around.[8D]

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    RE: WACO YMF


    ORIGINAL: nine o nine

    As John explained....a reenforcing tape (same width as the rib capstrip) goes on after the fabric, then rib stitches, then pinked tape (usually 2'' wide). Modelers usually leave off the reenforcing tape unless your doing for museum quality as it hardly shows even on full scale. Sorry if I wasn't clear Chris. Mitch
    Here is a good image to demonstrate:

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    RE: WACO YMF

    As promised here are a few shots from Monster Planes. The one of Dave's landing is the only action shot. That is Dave with his Waco in one of the other photos. The P-38 is meaningful to me, since Dad flew them toward the end of WW 2 and early into Korea.

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    Its easy, just glue all the pieces together, and sand off everything that doesnt look like an airplane.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    A couple more

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    Its easy, just glue all the pieces together, and sand off everything that doesnt look like an airplane.

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    Its easy, just glue all the pieces together, and sand off everything that doesnt look like an airplane.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Just got in from monster planes the word is windy vary windy. I did see Dave fly his big green Waco 3 times and the maiden flight of Scott Prossen flying a 40% Waco UPF. Every one did a fantastic job flying in 20 to 30 mph cross winds. Here are a few pictures I will have videos soon.

    Congratulations to Dave for wining best civilian air plane

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Beautiful, outstanding work. Don't tell any body they are toys.
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    RE: WACO YMF

    Here's the video of Scott Prossen flying his 40% Waco UPF. This is the maiden flight.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Dan, thanks for the videos, those are great, thanks to Bill, also, for the pictures.
    It was great to see you guys again, Bill, Dan, Robert, Chris (hope I didn't forget anyone, apologies if I did).....too bad the weather put a damper on the festivities. I normally would hesitate to fly in those winds, but after coming all that distance, it would be a shame not to fly.
    The big green beast made it through another year...48 flights to date...a couple of minor repairs to do, a re-design of the cowl mounts, they're still breaking on me, must be an undue strain on them somewhere.

    Looks as if the price of gas has dropped slightly, good news, although it's still a bargain for me.....$6.30-ish an imp. gallon up my way.

    Looking forward to next year and possibly flying formation with Scott and Ray's (Scott's dad) UPF.

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