Community
Search
Notices
Golden Age, Vintage & Antique RC Want to discuss some of those from the golden age, vintage rc planes or even an old classic antique vintage rc planes, radios, engines, etc? This is the place for you. Enjoy!

WACO YMF

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-20-2016, 06:45 PM
  #18726  
tmac48
 
tmac48's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: kangaroo flatVIC, AUSTRALIA
Posts: 691
Received 11 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Stickbuilder
Uh oh # 99. Doctor has suspended my driving privileges until further notice. This means I won't be able to drive to Top Gun, so no judging (this year anyway). Janelle will be driving me down on Saturday to visit. This ain't fun.
Bill, Waco Brother #1
Bill I have the solution, you pay my air ticket and I drive you to top gun no charge, what you say!!!
tmac48.
Old 04-21-2016, 08:04 AM
  #18727  
Stickbuilder
Thread Starter
 
Stickbuilder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Leesburg, FL
Posts: 8,678
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

I'll have your shelving tubes and your Titebond glue with me.

Bill, Waco Brother #1
Old 04-21-2016, 08:06 AM
  #18728  
Stickbuilder
Thread Starter
 
Stickbuilder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Leesburg, FL
Posts: 8,678
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Hmmm.....doesn't sound like a great deal for me. I could get a taxi back and forth and save a ton. Nice try though....������

Bill, Waco Brother #1
Old 04-21-2016, 11:01 PM
  #18729  
tmac48
 
tmac48's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: kangaroo flatVIC, AUSTRALIA
Posts: 691
Received 11 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Stickbuilder
Hmmm.....doesn't sound like a great deal for me. I could get a taxi back and forth and save a ton. Nice try though....������

Bill, Waco Brother #1
Cant blame a brother from trying!!!
tmac48.
Old 04-23-2016, 12:46 PM
  #18730  
tih
My Feedback: (1)
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Norway
Posts: 53
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Just gotta share this with someone: I've always used heat shrink film materials to cover planes, but now that I've got a Pica WACO kit on my schedule, I decided to check out better options. I bought SIG Koverall by mail order from SIG, and nitrate dope from a British company, and today I used it for the first time, on a small "wing" I put together just as a test vehicle.

I'll never use anything else again!

Seriously: this material is so easy to use, so easy to work around compound curves, and the result just so much prettier than I'm used to! My WACO will most definitely be covered with SIG Koverall -- I just have to finish a couple of other planes first, including a Lanyu 1:4 scale Schempp-Hirth Minimoa that I'm refurbishing after a previous owner damaged it. I've stripped off all the plastic, and after I've repaired the damage and rebuilt it slightly more to scale than the original, it's definitely getting Koveralled!

Last edited by tih; 04-23-2016 at 12:50 PM. Reason: I misnamed the Minimoa manufacturer
Old 04-23-2016, 01:11 PM
  #18731  
mrdhud
My Feedback: (48)
 
mrdhud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Bartow, FL
Posts: 1,427
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by tih
Just gotta share this with someone: I've always used heat shrink film materials to cover planes, but now that I've got a Pica WACO kit on my schedule, I decided to check out better options. I bought SIG Koverall by mail order from SIG, and nitrate dope from a British company, and today I used it for the first time, on a small "wing" I put together just as a test vehicle.

I'll never use anything else again!


Seriously: this material is so easy to use, so easy to work around compound curves, and the result just so much prettier than I'm used to! My WACO will most definitely be covered with SIG Koverall -- I just have to finish a couple of other planes first, including a Lanyu 1:4 scale Schempp-Hirth Minimoa that I'm refurbishing after a previous owner damaged it. I've stripped off all the plastic, and after I've repaired the damage and rebuilt it slightly more to scale than the original, it's definitely getting Koveralled!
tih I've never used SIG koverall Solartex also works quite well although it will loosen up some in the heat. Good luck with the Waco I'll be watching when you start your build.
Old 04-23-2016, 01:16 PM
  #18732  
tih
My Feedback: (1)
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Norway
Posts: 53
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Stickbuilder
Uh oh # 99. Doctor has suspended my driving privileges until further notice. This means I won't be able to drive to Top Gun, so no judging (this year anyway). Janelle will be driving me down on Saturday to visit. This ain't fun.
Bill, Waco Brother #1
That sucks, Bill. Good thing you've got Janelle, though. Hope your health improves!
Old 04-23-2016, 02:46 PM
  #18733  
drice45
My Feedback: (23)
 
drice45's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mrdhud
tih I've never used SIG koverall Solartex also works quite well although it will loosen up some in the heat. Good luck with the Waco I'll be watching when you start your build.
I too am a huge fan of Solartex. It goes around corners MUCH better than Monokote, for instance.

Once you shrink it, if you brush on a couple heavy coats of clear dope, it locks the shrink into the fibers, and it will NEVER loosen up in the heat.
Old 04-24-2016, 06:48 AM
  #18734  
mrdhud
My Feedback: (48)
 
mrdhud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Bartow, FL
Posts: 1,427
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by drice45
I too am a huge fan of Solartex. It goes around corners MUCH better than Monokote, for instance.

Once you shrink it, if you brush on a couple heavy coats of clear dope, it locks the shrink into the fibers, and it will NEVER loosen up in the heat.
Don that's good to know about the dope I will sure try it the next time I use Solartex. What kind of dope do you use?
Old 04-25-2016, 06:38 PM
  #18735  
ctflyboy
My Feedback: (3)
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Willimantic, CT
Posts: 1,180
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Dan,(mrhud)
I've been using Solartex for years, so when you find out about the clear dope Please pass it along,
I'll be covering soon.
Old 04-26-2016, 04:34 AM
  #18736  
Dash7ATP
 
Dash7ATP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Smithfield,, VA
Posts: 1,013
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I used Koverall on my Waco, and it does look great. I used the Coverite on the frame and ironed it down first. It does do compound curves great. My only complaint it that it takes a LOT of dope to fill the weave prior to your color. Someone on this forum (it may have been Bill, I'm not sure about that) suggested using water based Poly to fill the fabric, as it fills much faster.

It does that very well, but has one drawback. You can't put dope over the Poly. I solved that by giving the model a light coat of Klass Kote epoxy primer. Then I used Klass Kote for my colors, which are red, and cream. I'm not completely satisfied with the results, which are my fault. Depending on your colors, you should make sure you have a good base coat that blocks sunlight from coming through the open framed areas. By trying to keep the weight down on my finish, I didn't use enough of the primer to block the light as I was just trying to use enough to have good adhesion for my color. Second, I didn't use enough red or cream either. It looks great until it out in the sun, and then you can see the framework through the finish,

My next project that has a fabric covering will be covered with silver Solartex and doped after it is heat shrunk. THEN I'll take it outdoors to see if the frame shows thru in the sun. If it does I'll use a coat or two of silver. As you know, silver is used on all (I think) full scale fabric covered planes to block the UV from the fabric. Hey, i guess it works.

You can see what I mean in the verticle Stab in my photo.
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	2014-06-26 18.16.31.jpg
Views:	329
Size:	349.4 KB
ID:	2159245  
Old 05-01-2016, 03:02 PM
  #18737  
Stickbuilder
Thread Starter
 
Stickbuilder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Leesburg, FL
Posts: 8,678
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

It was me. I use the polyacrylic to fill the weave. I don't use dope after that. I apply primer and after sanding, automotive finishes. Normally single stage acrylic enamel but I've also used base coat/clear coat. Adds weight quickly though.

Thanks Dan for making my tip bows and cutting the dihedral braces/wing joiners.

Bill, Waco Brother #1
Old 05-01-2016, 03:38 PM
  #18738  
drice45
My Feedback: (23)
 
drice45's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mrdhud
Don that's good to know about the dope I will sure try it the next time I use Solartex. What kind of dope do you use?
I use Randolph "Non-shrink" clear Nitrate from Aircraft Spruce. Non-Shrink is a bit of a misnomer. It does shrink. But just a little. Especially compared with how much nitrate dopes used to shrink.
This is a great product, and it's the same clear Nitrate they use on full scale.
Old 05-01-2016, 05:04 PM
  #18739  
mrdhud
My Feedback: (48)
 
mrdhud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Bartow, FL
Posts: 1,427
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Bill it was good to see you and Janelle Saturday your vary welcome for the bow tip keep up posted when you get started on your wings
Old 05-02-2016, 01:32 AM
  #18740  
Stickbuilder
Thread Starter
 
Stickbuilder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Leesburg, FL
Posts: 8,678
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Dan, I only got 4 dihedral braces/joiners from you. They are the tall ones. Aren't there supposed to be 4 that are shorter in height?

Bill, Waco Brother #1
Old 05-02-2016, 03:11 AM
  #18741  
mrdhud
My Feedback: (48)
 
mrdhud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Bartow, FL
Posts: 1,427
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Stickbuilder
Dan, I only got 4 dihedral braces/joiners from you. They are the tall ones. Aren't there supposed to be 4 that are shorter in height?

Bill, Waco Brother #1
Bill look around your shop I thought I gave them to you with the ribs if not I will get them cut and put im the mail
Old 05-05-2016, 11:22 AM
  #18742  
Stickbuilder
Thread Starter
 
Stickbuilder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Leesburg, FL
Posts: 8,678
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Found them. Hiding in plain sight.

Bill, Waco Brother #1
Old 05-11-2016, 01:23 PM
  #18743  
ctflyboy
My Feedback: (3)
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Willimantic, CT
Posts: 1,180
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Tank Hatch

Originally Posted by Stickbuilder
Found them. Hiding in plain sight.

Bill, Waco Brother #1
Finall got the hatch done for the tank, its 4"x 5" in size and the hatch cover is 1/8" balsa with a 1/64" plywood skin,

my previous Waco didn't have anything in the way of an access, and wouldn't you know I'd have a tank issue, ready to final sand, and onto covering,

I guess its safe to say I can see light at the end of the tunnel.
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	20160510_164941.jpg
Views:	80
Size:	952.4 KB
ID:	2162025   Click image for larger version

Name:	20160510_171214.jpg
Views:	88
Size:	849.8 KB
ID:	2162026  

Last edited by ctflyboy; 05-11-2016 at 01:28 PM.
Old 05-12-2016, 04:03 PM
  #18744  
acerc
 
acerc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Sunshine state, when it's not raining!
Posts: 8,131
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

I have found that when I note I can see light someone or something collapses the tunnel....Just sayin....
Old 05-12-2016, 04:53 PM
  #18745  
mrdhud
My Feedback: (48)
 
mrdhud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Bartow, FL
Posts: 1,427
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by acerc
I have found that when I note I can see light someone or something collapses the tunnel....Just sayin....
Robert not sure I know what you mean
Old 05-12-2016, 05:20 PM
  #18746  
acerc
 
acerc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Sunshine state, when it's not raining!
Posts: 8,131
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mrdhud
Robert not sure I know what you mean
When I get comfortable enough to say I am near done, something beyond my control adds more to it.
Old 05-15-2016, 09:08 AM
  #18747  
Stickbuilder
Thread Starter
 
Stickbuilder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Leesburg, FL
Posts: 8,678
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

And you gotta be careful that the light isn't an oncoming train.

Bill, Waco Brother #1
Old 05-15-2016, 02:34 PM
  #18748  
tmac48
 
tmac48's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: kangaroo flatVIC, AUSTRALIA
Posts: 691
Received 11 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

That light at the end of the tunnel always looks a long way off to me !! Decided to put a bit of extra detail in the big yellow bird.
tmac48.
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_1711.JPG
Views:	84
Size:	314.8 KB
ID:	2162673   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_1712.JPG
Views:	86
Size:	222.7 KB
ID:	2162674  
Old 05-15-2016, 02:41 PM
  #18749  
mrdhud
My Feedback: (48)
 
mrdhud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Bartow, FL
Posts: 1,427
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ctflyboy
Finall got the hatch done for the tank, its 4"x 5" in size and the hatch cover is 1/8" balsa with a 1/64" plywood skin,

my previous Waco didn't have anything in the way of an access, and wouldn't you know I'd have a tank issue, ready to final sand, and onto covering,

I guess its safe to say I can see light at the end of the tunnel.
Keep up the good work George you'll be fly her before you know.
Old 05-15-2016, 02:43 PM
  #18750  
mrdhud
My Feedback: (48)
 
mrdhud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Bartow, FL
Posts: 1,427
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by tmac48
That light at the end of the tunnel always looks a long way off to me !! Decided to put a bit of extra detail in the big yellow bird.
tmac48.
Looking good tmac. Hows your new landing gear doing?


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.