old git

I have the kits mentioned, the Flying Quaker is just an inflated rubber job, a very easy build, you could also use segments of sheet for the tips.

The Buckle Falcon is the old KeilKraft Falcon, one of my all time favourites but has rather more building in it than the Flying Quaker.

All the best with whatever project you choose.

WACO Brotherhood No. 14.

old git - - - - aka John L.

cymaz

My Junior 60 has had some successful flights. Though I have had to riase the rear of the wing, or lower the wing incedence angle which ever you prefer, by 3/8". It will now trim out level and sit in the air on a calm day. A 30 four stroke is about right and with a 8oz tank is good for a long flight.

cymaz

Sorry forgot to include wing[&:]
OOPS ............ Is to tell me I'm upside down

Lou Melancon

Harvey,
The ELF flew three times today. The Magnum .30XL 4C is marginal on power but will loop the plane from level flight. It is a joy to fly. Nice and slow, very quiet, almost like an electric, and quite pretty as the sun beams through the covering. The tank is too low and I have real problems getting it started. Once its running the pressure from the muffler is enough to keep it going. Here is what it looks like with the trim applied:

H5487

CONGRATS, Lou!!!

She sure is a pretty thing. I'm sure you'll iron out the bugs. Are you going to change out the .30 for something a little bigger? Keep us posted.

Again, congrats on a successful maiden.

Harvey

Lou Melancon

Harvey,
I don't think I will change out the engine. It flies realistically with this engine and some experimentation with props and nitro should give it a little more oomph. Today I used the JZ 11X4 running on 5% nitro. A little more fiddling should make it a very nice combination.

By the way this thread started out about Ben Buckle kits. In retrospect I would not build this kit again. The thrustline does not match the drawings/plans and the two piece lower wing is not a good design. I would build it from the RCM plans. At $180 for the kit it is a very high price to pay considering the quality of materials you get. The plane could be built better, more easily and be a more solid airframe from the RCM plans.

biplano

Hello there, Has anyone built the Ben Buckle Long Cabin. I would like some advise on a couple of old engines that could match the old design better than a modern 4 stroke.

I have a McCoy 19 R/C Blue Head and a K&B Stallion 35 R/C One seems a bit small and the other a bit big. The Stallion I know works great; the Mc Coy not so sure.  Any experiences?

Avaiojet

Check this out!

http://cgi.ebay.com/BEN-BUCKLE-DIAMO...3A1%7C294%3A50

My favorite old time model is the Tiger Shark. I started a thread but it died.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_84...tm.htm#8475586

Google it and see how this model started it all! Plans are everywhere. Mine will be 72" in span, powered with an Enya 120.

You can see it framed in this photo. Plus other photos. A great old time model.

Charles

cymaz

Ben Buckle kits are not the best in the world.............if I could find an old time powered flier with the qaulity of a manufacturer like Sig I would be laughing.....oh and to sell in the UK aswell[X(]

8178

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That is awesome work and I love the classics! Curious why people sometimes use four strokes in these beautiful machines when in their glory day’s they all used two strokes, and often with ignition. Seems like the four strokes would diminish the historic nature of it all.

Avaiojet

I cannot speak for others, but I had the Enya 120. I actually sized the Tiger Shark for that engine.

I personally, classic or not, wouldn't rely on an aged engine in any model that I scratched from my own plans. Off the shelf or produced models would be different. Easier to come buy.

Also,I have absolutely no experience with the older spark engines. I admire those that do a great deal.

Charles

cymaz

I have a 30 four stroke in my Junior 60, perfect combinationCome to think of it most of our club members with J 60'S have the same.

Something must be right!

H5487

Just my thoughts...
I'm building my 84"Penn Valley Quaker with a four stroke (a Saito 56 per GoldenAge's recommendation) becausea slower turning and smoother sounding four stroke engine seems to fit in better with the liesurely nature of the Quaker. The high pitched whine of a two stroke seems more at home on a fast airplane.

However, you're right in that a vintage ignition engine would be more appropriate. Unfortunately, the originals are now getting to be too rare (read: pricey) to fly and they were unreliable and tempermental anyway. Woody Bartelt is reproducing some of the old ignition engines but none are equipped with R/C (throttle-able) carburetors and can't really be converted due to the engine's designs. I've also been told that the old designs (which Woody is faithfully reproducing) weren't designed for runs longer than just a few minutes anyway. That's a shame because I really like Woody's Atom reproductions!

Harvey

H5487

At the risk of taking this thread into the toilet , I have two open-rockered Saito 40s looking for a home and I'm considering a future project of building a Ben Buckle Majestic Major as a twin.  I already like the vintage look of the MM and probably wouldn't make any other changes.  (Okay, maybe a small tailwheel instead of the stock wire skid.)

I'd like to hear your thoughts.  (I may regret saying that! )

Harvey

old git

I sincerely hope I don't have to follow you into the toilet.

Ihave a BB Majestic Major (still in kit form) and and Jr 60s of course.

I've also been following mention of a CGSr Falcon twin.


WACO Brotherhood No. 14.

old git - - - - aka John L.

H5487

Hi John, I kinda figured that I'd hear from you.

Yeah, I'm anxious to build a twin but not too anxious to follow a well-worn trail and build yet another model of a common design. I've always entertained the thought of converting a Goldberg Falcon (my first R/C was a Falcon 56 in 1970 and the kit included a flyerannouncingthe Skylark twin) and I brought the idea closer to reality by picking up a Sr Falcon kit and a pair of (closed-rocker) Saito 40s last year. I even bought Top Flite's DC-3 nacell and cowling parts to use when I get around to building my big Falcon twin. (And I still plan to build it. Don't listen to my wife!)

However, I recentlybecame interested in the old-time designs (maybe I'm relating more to them now that I'm getting close to 60) and bought a set of Majestic Major plans from Ben Buckle. Couple that with my buying a pair of open-rockered Saito 40s recently and you can see where the idea of building a Twin Major came from. I'm still just in the thinking stage though. I've got to get my Quaker finished first.

Thanks for responding!

Harvey

cymaz

In reply to the interest in Majestic Majors, there is a nice photo of one ona page in the club that I belong. This too has an open rocker motor ( sorry make and model escape me for the moment).......................Take a look


http://www.staustelldmc.org.uk/St%20...0D%20M%20C.swf

old git

Thanks for the pics, i think Ialso saw a KeilKraft or maybe a BB Super 60. A good easy flier but not my favourite. It was the last model I built, I sold it with my 27 meg gear.


WACO Brotherhood No. 14.

Old Git - - - - aka John L.

timLQ

Hi,

I built the Penn Valley Quaker (84"), put a Saito .56 in her and couldn't make it fly. It would fly straight up, just like a free flight should but you couldn't control it. The wing incidences were all wrong. Check these for sure. I dumped the Saito for a OS 25FX and she flies like a dream. An 8 ounce tank will go a half an hour, more if you catch a thermal. I think the Saito is just too just too much power and prop for this plane. The 2 stroke engine is very quiet because it runs very slow. If you jump onthrottle, she'll go. Great flyer just check the incidence - the Penn Valley is set up for Free Flight... BTW I hate 2 strokes except for big gassers so the 4 stroke/2 stroke debate didn't factor in.

Tim

H5487

Tim,

Thanks for the input.  How did you correct the wing incidence?

Harvey

timLQ

Hi,

The main wing had a positive 5 degrees and the tail plane had negative 3 degrees. That was using the kit parts and no building errors. I suspect it was corrected with a thermalizer when used for FF. I don't know. After crashing it 3 times, 1 quite bad, I asked the expert - Evan D. on RC Groups. He has built all sizes of the Quaker. He said I was overpowered - I didn't believe him - now I do. I put my indicence meter on it and made both wings as close to 0 degrees as possible. I had to remove the horizontal stab, cut the fuse and add shims. I shimmed the main wing as well. I cannot believe the difference. It will take off in 5 feet and land in 100. Seriously, I have to force it down with a lot of down elevator. In a mild headwind she hovers or actually flies backwards, of course with little or no power. It flies itself, you just need to steer it back so you can see it. Good luck.

Tim

cymaz

The wing incidence on my junior 60 was reduced quite alot. I raised the rear of the wing up by 3/8" some in our club go as far as1/2". this reduces the severe climd tendancy. The tail was built @ 0 degrees.

mortyspals

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I have built two Buckle kits....nothing bad to say about them. As with any stick builds, one has to stay on course and make modifications on occasion....no biggy. Both finished models fly delightfully & the wood in both kits was excellent. Neal Smith

H5487

Neal,

Thanks for your input. The Ben Buckle kits have been maligned (rightfully or unfairly) for several years now and it's nice to hear when someone has had good experiences with them.

Harvey

Telemaster Sales UK

I built this Super 60 from a Ben Buckle plan purchased at a show and at a discount from Colin Buckle himself.



Then I won a Penn Models Super 60 on eBay. Penn Models are a model shop in the English West Midlands and used to produce the original ARTF, i.e they would sell you a ready-built Super 60 provided that you accepted the "works" colours of Cub Yellow fuselages and red Solartex wings! They were mostly supplied with an inset aileron wing. My Penn Super 60 came complete with a spare set of wings, all servos and a Magnum 52 fourstroke engine. Not bad for £70 (about $118 US.)



So now I can fly the red model in either three or four channel mode!

I hear that the Ben Buckle kits you get today are of much better quality than the old ones but I've never bought one so I don't have first hand experience.