runninwild

hi everyone, i have the older savage 21 and was wondering if i can buy the upgrade 3-speed for it. i noticed on ebay that the pictures of the assembled 3 speed has 3 rubber plugs to change the shift points. when i buy the kit will it come with that half of the trans? or is there no way to adjust one of the gears? im kinda confused. thanks

phil

BudBud

It is kind of confusing. I had the old style transmission, but did not kit it. I did kit the newer one. You can only adjust 2-3 through the plugs. The 1-2 shift is adjusted by taking the transmission and top gear cluster apart. It is much easier to remove just the top half in the newer style case. I think you can use the old case, but you have to tear the truck down to adjust 1-2 shift point. Bud

black mamba

The kit version only comes with the gears that you install into your existing trans. The "RTR" version comes assembled and includes the case. Either will work with your Savage. If you buy the kit, also buy the X style trans case BudBud mentioned....the two piece design is real nice. I think all of the 3sp assembled versions come with the 2 piece case now.

runninwild

ok, so i know this 3 speed will work, but is it the new case you talk of? http://www.rcplanet.com/ProductDetai...7218&CartID=10
oh and does it have the 3 holes on the side for adjustment? thanks
phil

runninwild

also, when i upgrade to the 3sp, do i have to change to a different spur gear? the gear that "gears" with the clutch bell. i currently have a 48T metal one. thanks again
phil

BudBud

It is the new case....[link=http://www.hpieurope.com/piw.php?lang=en&partNo=87257]87257[/link]... [link=http://www.hpieurope.com/piw.php?lang=en&partNo=87218]87218[/link] one of them comes with the overdriven third gear which is kind of cool. You can gear down a little for rocket launching and still get the top speed. It is the one that you are looking at that has the higher gear, according to the Hpi site. Bud

runninwild

so i mean which one is better? whats the point of being able to open the top of the tranny? can you get to everything in there if it breaks or something?

BudBud

I see that Hpi has discontinued the 87218, I wonder if it was because of this problem my Picco and I have been having...



To answer your question, they both have the removeable case top.

runninwild

damn thats crazy. thanks for you help bud.

black mamba

Having the two piece case does two things for you. First, you can access the 1-2 shift point without having to pull the entire trans out. Secondly, you can change the spur gear much faster. It's a win-win situation with the X style case.

black mamba

You can leave the gearing as is for wicked low end grunt or go down to a 49T spur for a bit more top end. I wouldn't go any lower than a 49T with a HPI .21 engine.

BudBud

If he has a 48, a 49 would be a lower gear or more power or slower top end. If you were talking about the clutch bell, more teeth would be less power and more top end, until you pass the engine's capacity to pull the load.

runninwild

hmm ok. lol, this is all new to me, as you can probably tell. i have a 16T clutch bell and a 48T spur. oh and i have upgraded the engine to a .28 axial.

black mamba

You're right. I got my thoughts and fingers all jumbled up when I typed my post.

black mamba

In that case, go with a 17/47 combo. I have/had a Axial .28 with a 3spd and the 17/47 gearing and it loves it. I used to run 19/47 from time to time, but it wasn't all that good off-road.

runninwild

thanks, hey you live right around my area huh? naperville, aurora area?

black mamba

Yeah man, I'm down in Hickory Hills. We should go out bashing one day.[8D]

runninwild

yeah that would probably be fun

BudBud

How far are you guys from St. Louis? 450 miles here....

runninwild

im about 275 miles, 4 hours or so

BudBud

That is a long haul for me to go run for a weekend, but it sure sounds like fun! Bud

black mamba

We should get a RCU meet and greet going. It'd be cool to bash with the trucks I see online and meet their owners. Finding a central location would be tough because we are all so spread out. Maybe if the idea gets tossed around, it will turn into something...............[8D]

runninwild

yeah you never know. i'd be up for it.

BudBud

I have a six day weekend in the middle of October. My wife has never been to Wisconsin during the fall, it is really something to see. We had planned to go to the Rockies, maybe I can steer her east instead of west.....

runninwild

i have never really been up to wisconsin either. except the dells. but there is so much more i have heard about up there.