savage xl tuned pipe (dilemma)
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savage xl tuned pipe (dilemma)
this is driving me nutts, if i tune my xl for top preformance, it tends to run hot.
if i richen it up to run cooler ,it seems sluggish and top end sounds like crap.
after lots of research, it seems i have a typical xl exhaust pipe problem.
what are my options to correct this, i've heard of the ofna 086, but i also the
ofna header will not work, and i will have to get a seperate header.
i have no idea what header, i will need, or if there is a better route to take.
as in diff pipe ,all together.
if i richen it up to run cooler ,it seems sluggish and top end sounds like crap.
after lots of research, it seems i have a typical xl exhaust pipe problem.
what are my options to correct this, i've heard of the ofna 086, but i also the
ofna header will not work, and i will have to get a seperate header.
i have no idea what header, i will need, or if there is a better route to take.
as in diff pipe ,all together.
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RE: savage xl tuned pipe (dilemma)
Pick up a CEN GST 7.7 pipe off Ebay and give it a shot. I'm running it on my K5.9 that I have in my Savage X SS. The CEN header can also be customized to work on the Savage. It is a larger diameter than the HPI header. Here's a video with the pipe only installed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f69pCQ_DZZU . The truck was over geared for the Big Joe's, but it came alive when I installed the sand paddles! I have the header installed now also along with an XL 3 speed. The engine was still pretty fresh in the vid. It is making gobs of power and hitting higher rpm's now. The engine also runs a lot cooler than it did with the HPI pipe. I got my pipe for $11 including shipping. The 086 pipe is too small for a .36 engine. It was designed for .21-.28 engines. Here are some pics of the header and pipe installed. I cut 1/2" out of the middle and 1/2" off the end of the header. All those zip ties are holding the header together.
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RE: savage xl tuned pipe (dilemma)
if you have the XL the ofna header should work cuz you got the extra space behind the motor so you have plenty of clearance as opposed to the X needs a wired header to clear the shock
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RE: savage xl tuned pipe (dilemma)
Most of the headers I have tried work fine. I had to modify one to get it to lay down lower in the chassis.
I just ground a little off of the flange so I could turn it on the back of the engine. Bud
I just ground a little off of the flange so I could turn it on the back of the engine. Bud
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RE: savage xl tuned pipe (dilemma)
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The 086 pipe is too small for a .36 engine. It was designed for .21-.28 engines.
The 086 pipe is too small for a .36 engine. It was designed for .21-.28 engines.
There is the Ofna style header in the XL chassis.
I think this is where the confusion started, I think, when you run the standard chassis, you need a header designed to work with the stock shock tower. The XL chassis has all the header room you will ever need. Bud
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RE: savage xl tuned pipe (dilemma)
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The .36 does not flow any more fuel than an Axial 32, LRP Spec 3 or Picco 28, the run times are almost identical in the Savage. It might make more power than the Axial, but the LRP and Piccos will out run it. I have not put an Axial 32 in an XL chassis yet, so I cannot really compare the two.
There is the Ofna style header in the XL chassis.
I think this is where the confusion started, I think, when you run the standard chassis, you need a header designed to work with the stock shock tower. The XL chassis has all the header room you will ever need. Bud
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The 086 pipe is too small for a .36 engine. It was designed for .21-.28 engines.
The 086 pipe is too small for a .36 engine. It was designed for .21-.28 engines.
There is the Ofna style header in the XL chassis.
I think this is where the confusion started, I think, when you run the standard chassis, you need a header designed to work with the stock shock tower. The XL chassis has all the header room you will ever need. Bud
On a side note: Budbud, you need to find some dirt and catch some air with your savies!
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I am running the CEN header because it is a larger diameter than anything else, not because I couldn't make anything else fit. I noticed a huge jump in bottom end torque and acceleration with the CEN header. I need to make a new video with my current setup.
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[link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH9zai7zAKI]Ofna Pipe on a 5.9[/link] if you want to watch a video. Bud
[link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH9zai7zAKI]Ofna Pipe on a 5.9[/link] if you want to watch a video. Bud
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If you want me to put on a shorter tire that effectively cuts the gear ratio by a ton and make a video running through some sand or dirt so it is kicking up a huge trail of dust, I can do that.... I have watched those Cen pipe videos several times and do not see any huge power. The sandpit video is great and the truck looks quick with those paddles throwing sand all the time, but the speed is way down with the shrter tire.
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If you want me to put on a shorter tire that effectively cuts the gear ratio by a ton and make a video running through some sand or dirt so it is kicking up a huge trail of dust, I can do that.... I have watched those Cen pipe videos several times and do not see any huge power. The sandpit video is great and the truck looks quick with those paddles throwing sand all the time, but the speed is way down with the shrter tire.
If you want me to put on a shorter tire that effectively cuts the gear ratio by a ton and make a video running through some sand or dirt so it is kicking up a huge trail of dust, I can do that.... I have watched those Cen pipe videos several times and do not see any huge power. The sandpit video is great and the truck looks quick with those paddles throwing sand all the time, but the speed is way down with the shrter tire.
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Actually, I run the two 5.9 trucks a lot because I let the boys drive them. I figure if somebody is going to do something stupid to destroy a engine, it might as well be a 5.9... good excuse for a Picco transplant!
They actually do make a lot of [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVCLxpFJmTs]low end[/link] on the stock pipe. But they suck bad when you try to get rpm out of them and to get top end out of them, they get so stinking hot as you noted. The XL in that video is stock. pipe and all, well, it was at that time. It runs okay, but it has that huge dead spot in the upper rpm. The CEN pipe might give it more low end punch, its all good though, as long as we are having fun. Bud
They actually do make a lot of [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVCLxpFJmTs]low end[/link] on the stock pipe. But they suck bad when you try to get rpm out of them and to get top end out of them, they get so stinking hot as you noted. The XL in that video is stock. pipe and all, well, it was at that time. It runs okay, but it has that huge dead spot in the upper rpm. The CEN pipe might give it more low end punch, its all good though, as long as we are having fun. Bud
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Actually, I run the two 5.9 trucks a lot because I let the boys drive them. I figure if somebody is going to do something stupid to destroy a engine, it might as well be a 5.9... good excuse for a Picco transplant!
They actually do make a lot of [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVCLxpFJmTs]low end[/link] on the stock pipe. But they suck bad when you try to get rpm out of them and to get top end out of them, they get so stinking hot as you noted. The XL in that video is stock. pipe and all, well, it was at that time. It runs okay, but it has that huge dead spot in the upper rpm. The CEN pipe might give it more low end punch, its all good though, as long as we are having fun. Bud
Actually, I run the two 5.9 trucks a lot because I let the boys drive them. I figure if somebody is going to do something stupid to destroy a engine, it might as well be a 5.9... good excuse for a Picco transplant!
They actually do make a lot of [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVCLxpFJmTs]low end[/link] on the stock pipe. But they suck bad when you try to get rpm out of them and to get top end out of them, they get so stinking hot as you noted. The XL in that video is stock. pipe and all, well, it was at that time. It runs okay, but it has that huge dead spot in the upper rpm. The CEN pipe might give it more low end punch, its all good though, as long as we are having fun. Bud
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RE: savage xl tuned pipe (dilemma)
The stock header is a silicone coupler. The Ofna pipe is a spring coupler. I have run them with the Ofna pipe and header, Tsais header, STS header, Hot Bodies Header, all to get different lengths. You can fine tune the engine by header length, basically it seems the shorter the header design, the higher up the rpm range the torque curve moves, a long header gives it more torque at a lower rpm. It is kind of cool to play with. Any of the spring style headers for a big block will work. I bought a whole series of headers from RC Hub just to play with the exhaust length. I have used them on several trucks since then and my variety pack has dwindled down. Bud
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I've used both pipes on the 5.9, and the 086 absolutely smokes the CEN GST7.7 pipe/header setup.
Excess backpressure is not the issue. It's quite the opposite.
I've used both pipes on the 5.9, and the 086 absolutely smokes the CEN GST7.7 pipe/header setup.
Excess backpressure is not the issue. It's quite the opposite.
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Remove the venturi from the 5.9 carb to allow more air and fuel into the engine. I noticed a big jump in power when I did this.
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I've used both pipes on the 5.9, and the 086 absolutely smokes the CEN GST7.7 pipe/header setup.
Excess backpressure is not the issue. It's quite the opposite.
I've used both pipes on the 5.9, and the 086 absolutely smokes the CEN GST7.7 pipe/header setup.
Excess backpressure is not the issue. It's quite the opposite.
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I like the idea of running the CEN pipe because it was designed for a larger engine and I also like the fact that I can use my stock header with it. I'm all about bolt-ons. I'm going to hit up ebay and see what's out there.[8D]
Edit-I was running my 5.9 with 16/47, 3spd and Dirt Bonz, but I think I might go back to 17/47 with the CEN pipe. I know I should take the baffle out of it, but should I leave the cone in or remove that too?
Edit-I was running my 5.9 with 16/47, 3spd and Dirt Bonz, but I think I might go back to 17/47 with the CEN pipe. I know I should take the baffle out of it, but should I leave the cone in or remove that too?
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I like the idea of running the CEN pipe because it was designed for a larger engine and I also like the fact that I can use my stock header with it. I'm all about bolt-ons. I'm going to hit up ebay and see what's out there.[8D]
Edit-I was running my 5.9 with 16/47, 3spd and Dirt Bonz, but I think I might go back to 17/47 with the CEN pipe. I know I should take the baffle out of it, but should I leave the cone in or remove that too?
I like the idea of running the CEN pipe because it was designed for a larger engine and I also like the fact that I can use my stock header with it. I'm all about bolt-ons. I'm going to hit up ebay and see what's out there.[8D]
Edit-I was running my 5.9 with 16/47, 3spd and Dirt Bonz, but I think I might go back to 17/47 with the CEN pipe. I know I should take the baffle out of it, but should I leave the cone in or remove that too?
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RE: savage xl tuned pipe (dilemma)
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Did you remove the baffle but leave the cone in the CEN pipe? It comes with a baffle to control exhaust noise, but it limits performance. Remove the venturi from the 5.9 carb to allow more air and fuel into the engine. I noticed a big jump in power when I did this. It takes a bit of patience to master the tune with the CEN pipe on the 5.9 because it has to be run richer on both the low and high speed needles. If you have limited tuning skills, the CEN pipe is not for you.
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I've used both pipes on the 5.9, and the 086 absolutely smokes the CEN GST7.7 pipe/header setup.
Excess backpressure is not the issue. It's quite the opposite.
I've used both pipes on the 5.9, and the 086 absolutely smokes the CEN GST7.7 pipe/header setup.
Excess backpressure is not the issue. It's quite the opposite.
Based on the way you come across, I'm assuming you have never used any of the common buggy pipes on a 5.9. Try it. You'll ditch your CEN pipe within 10 minutes.
Also, removing the venturi will slightly increase top end power, but it will also dull throttle response and mid range acceleration by decreasing the airflow velocity into the engine. I run (or at least try to run) 8mm venturi inserts in all of my engines. This gives a good compromise.
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I wasn't trying to imply that you had limited tuning skills, although when I read what I wrote I can understand that you may have taken it that way. I was merely warning those who have trouble getting a good tune. Throttle response is not a problem for me. I can spin all 4 tires on asphalt with my setup. I haven't seen a video of a 5.9 running strong on an 086 pipe yet, so please show me one. In the video that I saw, the 5.9 sounded like it was suffocating and it had nowhere near the throttle response that I'm getting with the CEN pipe. I couldn't care less if the 086 gets me an extra 2mph on the top end. When I'm bashing, I rarely hit 3rd gear, so I'll take stronger performance in the lower half of the RPM band any day over peak rpm's. Going as fast as possible on grass is not my thing. Raw torque and big air are what I want out of an R/C monster truck. If you're happy with the 086, that's fine, but don't discourage someone from trying a $10-$15 pipe and tell them a $50 pipe is the only way to go, because most would be happy with the cheaper setup. You will see increased gains if you use the CEN header also, because it is a larger diameter and flows better than the stock Savage header,