ORIGINAL: TJ31

Did you tighten the slipper as mentioned in many threads?

ORIGINAL: ArancioC5

Here is the thing..... When you buy a new 1:1 car do you grab a friend with a video camera and do donuts just so you can get a few hits on youtube? The problem is that inexperienced people are given a more technical truck and it is falsely packaged as an RTR. HPI is as much to blame for this too by telling people to use 20, and 25t pinions when it needs an 18t pinion max for 3s, or doing anything more then speed runs.

ORIGINAL: IceWindius

Those 3400mAh 18C rated batteries are definently not a good idea to run on that Flux. It only equates to 61.2amps of discharge, far below the HPI and Castle Creations recommended 120amp limit. They simple don't have the discharge rate to keep that MMM fed during heavy loads, so you risk frying it and or the batteries.

Irregardless of what happened with the tranny, put higher quality Lipo's in that Flux ASAP before you have a really smoky and sad surprise. You want to runo Lipo's with NOLESSthen a 25C rating for theFlux

ORIGINAL: SureToCrash

I'm hardly new to this buddy. I spent over $600 on nitro alonelast summer. And you?

ORIGINAL: SureToCrash

The lhs assured me that despite the 18c the batteries would meet the esc's needs. I'll look into it further but for now that was the best in town, the 6500 40c are on order.

ORIGINAL: SureToCrash
The lhs assured me that despite the 18c the batteries would meet the esc's needs. I'll look into it further but for now that was the best in town, the 6500 40c are on order.

ORIGINAL: BANKRUPTER

SMC would not tell you that! I know that for a fact.. .

ORIGINAL: IceWindius
The amount of FALSE and MISLEADING information thats being spread around via uninformed peeps is killing Flux's left and right ANDITHASGOTTOSTOP!

ORIGINAL: IceWindius

I have sent the following email to SMC directly and I will post here so everyone is informed of what is currently being done about this.


Dear SMC,

It has come to my attention as well as many other Flux owners that very possibly one of your associates is spreading VERY misleading and inaccurate information about the battery requirements in regards to HPI's Savage Flux, particularly the MMM ESC created and provided by Castle Creations. It has been stated both via the HPI Flux manual and Castle Creations president that the MMM will work best and most reliably with battery systems that are able to provide 120 continuous amps which equates to a rating of 25C or above on Lipo batteries. Castle themselves have stated that lower rated and or quality batteries severely risks power spikes and fluctuations that can easily destroy the MMM ESC. I would like further details and investigation into this as already many peoples Flux's MMM's have died as a result of poor battery choices and having your associates giving MORE false information is going to lead to Castle and HPI have some VERY angry customers.

I am currently running your 6000mAH 28C Lipo hard cased Sport MAX batteries on my Savage Flux and they are doing very well and im very impressed with the run time and power they provide my truck. Being my first brushless RC as well as Lipo usage, my initial impression of your products is very high. However, I will not tolerate a company that gives false and misleading information that results in peoples products being damaged and destroyed and I ask on behalf of me and MANY other brushless RC trucks for an inquiry into this.

Sincerely,

**********
HPI Savage Flux owner and concerned SMC battery owner.



Below is the attached thread where this discussion began

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_88...tm.htm#8822591

ORIGINAL: Adam Bailey

Seriously quote me one sentence where SMC or castle has told anyone your complaint online?

Pdelcast RC-Monster Aluminum Pdelcast's Avatar Online Posts: 565 Join Date: Mar 2008 Report Post 02.24.2009, 11:09 AM Now, that said, ANY battery that is pushed beyond its capabilities can damage an ESC. Let me say that again: ANY BATTERY THAT IS PUSHED BEYOND ITS CAPABILITIES CAN DAMAGE AN ESC. AS CAN BAD CONNECTORS, BAD WIRING, AND BAD SOLDER JOINTS. We have gotten so oblivious to the fact that we are harnessing thousands of watts in these setups any problems in the system can cause problems with other components in the system very quickly. So we must be VERY careful NOT to push batteries harder than they can handle. The very same is true of Motors and people seem to accept the fact that certain motors can only be pushed to a certain point before they fail. Why do the same people not understand that a battery pushed beyond its capabilities can damage the ESC? The ESC relies on the battery to both SOURCE high currents without significant voltage drops, and to SINK high currents without significant voltage rise. If the battery cannot hold the bus voltages within a reasonable voltage, then the setup is PUSHING THE BATTERY TOO HARD. A battery needs to have the ability to sink braking energy during hard braking, and take that energy back as charge energy. If the battery can't take the energy back quick enough, the voltage on the bus will rise, and eventually it could get high enough to damage the ESC. We do bus voltage monitoring on the Mamba Monster, but if the battery is REALLY bad, the voltage can rise faster than the MMM can respond to it. It all comes down to this: Don't push any parts in your system beyond what they can REALISTICALLY take. This includes motors, batteries and the ESC. Just as some motors are better than others, some batteries are better than others. You can't expect a $25.00 Chinese motor and a $250.00 Neu motor to perform on the same level. Same goes for Lipos. There are applications where cheap lipos and cheap motors WORK JUST FINE but there are other applications where they may perform below par. Patrick

Pdelcast RC-Monster Aluminum Pdelcast's Avatar Online Posts: 565 Join Date: Mar 2008 Report Post 02.24.2009, 02:47 PM And for those who are interested... We've been struggling with whether or not to release a version of software that actually measures voltage ripple, and limits performance based on how the batteries perform. On one hand, it would prevent a lot of damaged ESCs, and batteries when users are pushing batteries insufficient for the application. BUT, on the other hand, a lot of people who are running "marginal" systems will see a performance decrease, and might yell "FOUL!" at us for releasing software that would actually lower the performance of their system. As it is, very few controllers actually get damaged by ripple voltage/current but the people who damage controllers this way don't just do it once and then learn a lesson. They tend to destroy controller after controller with the same bad setups. And then they blame US for making a defective product. Brian, and others, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on this...