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    Sportsman

    Hi All, I competed in my first IMAC contest last fall. I would like to start practicing the Sportsman pattern. I would like to know the names of the figures so my caller and I know what to call them when we call for each other. I do not know what to call #4,#6,andf#8. How do you refer to these as you call for someone. I am new to this and need some advice.
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    RE: Sportsman

    #4 has me stumped too I would call it a 1/2 inverted triangle with 1/2 roll. #6 would be a lay down humpty bump and # 8 would be a down humpty bump.
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    RE: Sportsman

    #4 is just a 45 up line. Nothing fancy. Half roll on the upline and then push to exit.

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    RE: Sportsman


    ORIGINAL: bkdavy

    #4 is just a 45 up line. Nothing fancy. Half roll on the upline and then push to exit.
    The Op did ask for a manuver name. In the heat of battle it's nice to have a manuver called out by something other then it's elements.

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    RE: Sportsman

    half triangle loop with half roll

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    RE: Sportsman

    How hard is it to say 45 degree upline, 1/2 roll centered?

    Seriously, I hear people trying to come up with names for simple maneuvers and confusing themselves. Sportsman #4 is a great example. If you try to call it some kind of loop, you may confuse people with the criterial that apply. I hate to think how many people I hear referring to an up or down line as a 1/2 square loop. Loops imply a certain set of criteria. A square loop implies another set (e.g. equal radii and equal line segments). None of those criteria apply to the simple 45 or vertical up or down line. There is no "triangle" in IMAC. Some maneuvers do warrant a simple short designation, such as the Humpty Bump, the Avalanche, the Square Loop. Immelman and Split S are historical names for maneuvers developed in WW1, but most people confuse them (one is up, one is down). Oftentimes, its easier to just say Push/pull to 1/2 inside/outside loop. Its far more descriptive to the pilot in most cases.

    Not trying to start any arguments, just pointing out how people often overcomplicate or overthink the very simple.

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    RE: Sportsman

    Don't disagree, only responding to the question being asked.
    Actually each pilot needs to decide for himself what he wants to call a maneuver and then get his caller(s) to state it the way he expects.
    One would hope that by the time he gets to a contest, the pilot has flown(and memorized) the sequence enought that a full description of each maneuver is not necessary.
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    RE: Sportsman

    You both have valid points. IMO the goal is to use common names for manuvers where it exists. If it does not exist then come up with one that will make sense to you, your caller and the judges should they hear your caller calling the manuver. Keep it as short a possible. The issue that I see with #4 being called out as 45 degree upline with a 1/2 roll is that the pilot could easily be so focused on the roll element and demonstrating the 45 dgree line after the roll is he miss the push to upright exit. Trust me I have seen it happen. At least for me having my caller simply state the name of the manuver jogs my memory enough so I can invision the complete manuver in a split second. Obviously towards the end of the season most guys have the fulll sequence memorized but I find naming the manuvers helped me during the unkowns too. Obviously you need to do what works for you, in the end what makes you most successful in IMAC is having a quality caller that can also be a good coach, a well set up airplane and lots of productive practice.
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    RE: Sportsman

    Call it a laydown reverse sharkstooth if it helps.
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    RE: Sportsman

    If you have a smart phone (apple or android) there is an app available called IMAC Pro, developed by Bill James.  It has a "caller mode" feature which shows the maneuver, the name, and a spot for you to put in your own notes.

    Also has a link to videos showing the sequences.

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    RE: Sportsman

    Here's a Sportsman call sheet if it'll help.
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    RE: Sportsman

    Those are great!  Thank you for the call sheets!
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    RE: Sportsman

    Thanks Jas,
    That is exactly what I was looking for!
    Jim


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