Judging/Scoring questions
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Judging/Scoring questions
I understand the 10 degree rule for the most part, but I'm unclear on certain issues.
*If you are flying an end maneuver, and you use ailerons to correct heading, or whatever, do you get -1 point for every 10 degree of aileron correction? If you use less that 10 degrees, are you good?
*When flying a loop, if the loop corkscrews and your exit is farther or closer than the entry, how are points deducted? The 10 degree rule doesn't make much sense here as the entry and exit is a point not a line. 10 degrees drawn through the total circumference of the loop would allow for a lot of corkscrew.
*There seems to be no downgrade for change in distance flown as long as the change is less that 10 degree per line. Is this true? It seems that if I gradually drift forward and back at angles less that 10 degrees, I wont be deducted points.
*If you fly a free pass across center (like from a half cuban eight on one side to an immelman on the other) are you judged on heading or attitude? Or, is it -1 for 10 degree of heading AND -1 for 10 degree of roll?
*Yaw is not a judging criteria in most maneuvers. Besides loops and rolls, how are heading changes due to elevator and ailerons judged?
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*If you are flying an end maneuver, and you use ailerons to correct heading, or whatever, do you get -1 point for every 10 degree of aileron correction? If you use less that 10 degrees, are you good?
*When flying a loop, if the loop corkscrews and your exit is farther or closer than the entry, how are points deducted? The 10 degree rule doesn't make much sense here as the entry and exit is a point not a line. 10 degrees drawn through the total circumference of the loop would allow for a lot of corkscrew.
*There seems to be no downgrade for change in distance flown as long as the change is less that 10 degree per line. Is this true? It seems that if I gradually drift forward and back at angles less that 10 degrees, I wont be deducted points.
*If you fly a free pass across center (like from a half cuban eight on one side to an immelman on the other) are you judged on heading or attitude? Or, is it -1 for 10 degree of heading AND -1 for 10 degree of roll?
*Yaw is not a judging criteria in most maneuvers. Besides loops and rolls, how are heading changes due to elevator and ailerons judged?
More to come.
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Hey.....
The way I understand it......disclaimer and all......
You use the rudder to correct heading. You will be downgraded 1 for 10 for the banking on lines....they will deduct .5 for 5....
Yes, there is a deduction for heading track of a loop.
There are downgrades for heading changes while going from one maneuver to the next.
There are no free passes. It is judged.
What is judged is the CG painting the line. Keep in mind, that is a wind corrected line. Heading changes are 1 for 10.
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Pugs
You use the rudder to correct heading. You will be downgraded 1 for 10 for the banking on lines....they will deduct .5 for 5....
Yes, there is a deduction for heading track of a loop.
There are downgrades for heading changes while going from one maneuver to the next.
There are no free passes. It is judged.
What is judged is the CG painting the line. Keep in mind, that is a wind corrected line. Heading changes are 1 for 10.
Thanks,
Pugs
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So the basic rule is 1 for 10 on heading PLUS 1 for 10 on bank. That makes perfect sense to me and it's easy to remember. Does this mean that the heading is scored while doing the maneuver, but the distance in or out is irrelevant? One more silly question. If you zig-zag during the maneuver, but the line drawn between the start and finish point is straight, how is that scored? Is each individual zig and zag downgraded per the 1 for 10 rule?
What is this 1/2 point business. At what limit does a fraction of a point become nonsensical. I think you have to be a pretty good judge to discriminate 10 degrees. 5 degrees or even one degree seems questionable. My understanding is that all scores are to the closest one point integer. Am I wrong on this?
What is this 1/2 point business. At what limit does a fraction of a point become nonsensical. I think you have to be a pretty good judge to discriminate 10 degrees. 5 degrees or even one degree seems questionable. My understanding is that all scores are to the closest one point integer. Am I wrong on this?
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Okay, this is a monster bag of worms at the best of times, but as someone who both flies and judges I will try my best.
My first suggestion is to go to both the IMAC and SCAT web sites and either look at, or better still down load the judging guide.
Almost all wind correction is done with the rudder, keeping the wings level. Remember that it is the line your airplanes draws in the sky as far as the shape of the figure is judged. Going up or down on a vertical with a stiff cross wind should mean that the nose of the airplane is pointing slightly in to the wind in order to draw a straight line. Same is true for level flight.
A free pass is just that, once you have completed the end figure you can correct your flight path with no down grade. Just be sure to have a straight and level segment of flight before you enter the next figure.
The loop! Just think of this as a straight line that comes back on itself. Again, correction can all be done with the rudder, wings should remain level through out the figure. If you exit at a different point from you entry then you will most likely not have flown a constant radius loop for which you will be deducted points.
Any change of heading or attitude that degrades from the shape of the figure being flown, no matter how caused, will result in a down grade. Flying good scale aerobatics is about small, smooth constant corrections while flying a prescribed figure or maneuvers.
My best recommendation for you is to get together will an experienced competition pilot and have him coach you through the basics. trying to learn this stuff flying by yourself is almost impossible to do.
Finally, yes I can (and so can most other judges) judge the difference between 5,10 and 20 degrees of roll. If you had spent as much time as I have both coaching new fliers and sitting in a judge's chair, you would be able to do as well!
One last and very important word, remember judges are human and although we try very hard to apply the same criteria to each and every pilot we judge, don't expect to see the same scores from two different judges.
My first suggestion is to go to both the IMAC and SCAT web sites and either look at, or better still down load the judging guide.
Almost all wind correction is done with the rudder, keeping the wings level. Remember that it is the line your airplanes draws in the sky as far as the shape of the figure is judged. Going up or down on a vertical with a stiff cross wind should mean that the nose of the airplane is pointing slightly in to the wind in order to draw a straight line. Same is true for level flight.
A free pass is just that, once you have completed the end figure you can correct your flight path with no down grade. Just be sure to have a straight and level segment of flight before you enter the next figure.
The loop! Just think of this as a straight line that comes back on itself. Again, correction can all be done with the rudder, wings should remain level through out the figure. If you exit at a different point from you entry then you will most likely not have flown a constant radius loop for which you will be deducted points.
Any change of heading or attitude that degrades from the shape of the figure being flown, no matter how caused, will result in a down grade. Flying good scale aerobatics is about small, smooth constant corrections while flying a prescribed figure or maneuvers.
My best recommendation for you is to get together will an experienced competition pilot and have him coach you through the basics. trying to learn this stuff flying by yourself is almost impossible to do.
Finally, yes I can (and so can most other judges) judge the difference between 5,10 and 20 degrees of roll. If you had spent as much time as I have both coaching new fliers and sitting in a judge's chair, you would be able to do as well!
One last and very important word, remember judges are human and although we try very hard to apply the same criteria to each and every pilot we judge, don't expect to see the same scores from two different judges.
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No Free Pass in IMAC
Originally posted by A320driver
A free pass is just that, once you have completed the end figure you can correct your flight path with no down grade.
A free pass is just that, once you have completed the end figure you can correct your flight path with no down grade.
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Baron is absolutely right- every manuever ends with wings level horizontal flight- could be "left to right" along flight line or could be "cross box"- in or out. Once you establish this wings level horizontal flight after completing the manuever, you immediately are considered to be into the following manuever.
For example, let's assume you do manuever #1 at the right end of the box and this manuever ends wings level and flying along the flightline from right to left. Let's also assume that you realize that you are not positioned correctly- too far out- and need to get back in closer. If you choose to crab the plane with some rudder to bring the plane in closer- even if you maintain wings level flight- you will be downgraded 1pt/10deg off heading as you are considered to have started the next manuever. This is compounded if you were to also bank wings to bring the plane in closer!
So, from the moment you enter the first manuever through wings level horizontal flight completion of the final manuever, you are "on the clock" and there will be no time during which you should not be judged.
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For example, let's assume you do manuever #1 at the right end of the box and this manuever ends wings level and flying along the flightline from right to left. Let's also assume that you realize that you are not positioned correctly- too far out- and need to get back in closer. If you choose to crab the plane with some rudder to bring the plane in closer- even if you maintain wings level flight- you will be downgraded 1pt/10deg off heading as you are considered to have started the next manuever. This is compounded if you were to also bank wings to bring the plane in closer!
So, from the moment you enter the first manuever through wings level horizontal flight completion of the final manuever, you are "on the clock" and there will be no time during which you should not be judged.
Dave Michael