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Old 05-26-2004, 01:42 PM
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Danny;
Been debating on another radio. Either wait for new 9X to come as primary or looking at the 6102 as second radio to my 783.
Looked at 6102 manual and not sure if I found correct answers.
Three questions.
1. Can you use radio to set up 4 servos in wing for ailerons and flaps with switch to control landing flaps and still mix to elevator?
2. Can you set up with 2 servos on ailerons and two servos for split elevator and also have flapons?
3. Any idea what price range the 9X will be at and will it include the airborne pack?
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Old 05-26-2004, 02:36 PM
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1. Yes, you can set up ailerons and flaps, but since it is only a 6 channel system, you would need to Y harness the flaps together. Below are some instructions that may help set this up.

2. Yes, you can set up flaperons and dual elevators (using mix 4 to set up the dual elevators). Activating flaperons activates dual ailerons.

3. I don't have this information at this time.


Programming Guide for the JR XP6102 for the Hangar 9 Ultra Stick

To start with, plug your servos into the correct channels. Below is a listing of what servo to plug into each channel.

Ch. 1 Throttle
Ch. 2 Right Aileron
Ch. 3 Elevator
Ch. 4 Rudder
Ch. 5 Flaps (Use a reversing Y harness or matchbox for the 2 servos) (Listed as Gear Channel on Receiver)
Ch. 6 Left Aileron (Listed as Aux 1 on Receiver)


System Set-Up Mode

To begin setting up the transmitter, press and hold the down and select buttons together, and turn the 6102 on, then release the down and select keys. Press the down button until you get to MODEL SEL, and select the model number that you want the ultra stick on by pressing the increase or decrease keys. Now press the down key until you see MODEL TYPE. Then press the increase key if the type is set to helicopter, or leave at aircraft if it is already set as aircraft, and then press the select key. Then press the clear key to reset that model to factory defaults. Press the down key once to get to the MODEL NAME screen. Name the model as desired, and use the 6102 manual as a guide on how to do this. Press the down key twice and it will bring you to WING TYPE screen. With the arrow pointing at Flaperon, press the increase key to turn the Flaperon ON. It should say V-Tail OFF under the Flaperon. You can now press the down key until you get to MODULATION selection which it will either say SPCM or PPM. Match this to the receiver type you are using. Then press the down key until you get to SWITCH SEL. Here you can set your dual rates to the switch of your choice, and also the gear channel and flap channel. You can either choose different switches for the gear and the flap, so that you can have a position with no flaps, take off flaps, as well as crow, or you can choose just one switch for both functions but you can then only have a position for no flaps and for crow. Consult your 6102 manual if you have any questions on assigning the switches.

Function Mode

Next we will set up the function mode of transmitter. If you are still in the system mode, just press the down and select keys together twice, or turn the radio off and back on, and press the down and select keys together again. This will get you into the function mode.
Set your servo reversing correctly so that each surface goes the correct direction. Do this by pressing the up key until you get to a screen that says REVERSING SW. Press the select key to change the channel being changed, and press the increase or decrease keys to change the direction.
Set your Dual Rates and Expo as you desire. Press the DOWN key to get to D/R and EXP, and press the select key once to adjust the expo, and twice to adjust the dual rates. Press the select key to select the channel to be adjusted, and press the increase or decrease keys to adjust the values. Always use a positive value for expo, as a negative value will make the control response more sensitive around center and could cause you to over control the plane and crash. 30 percent expo on aileron, and 25% on elevator and rudder is recommended to start with. Set your dual rates around 70% to start with, and change to your tastes.
Set the sub trims as required leveling the control surfaces. Press the UP key until you get to the SUB TRIM screen. Press the select key to select the channel to be adjusted, and press the increase or decrease keys to adjust the values. Do try to keep these as close to zero as possible. Using too much sub trim can result in running out of travel on the servos, and the possibility of over-driving the servos.
Set the travel adjustments such that you get the control movements required. Consult your Ultra Stick manual for the required control surface travels. You may need to use 1” long servo arms to achieve the maximum travels listed in the manual. Try to use as high a travel adjustment value possible to achieve the throws so that you use as much of the servos travel as possible. Press the UP key until you get to the TRAVEL ADJ screen. Press the select key to select the channel to be adjusted, and press the increase or decrease keys to adjust the values.
To start setting up the advanced features of the Ultra Stick, we need to center the arms on each servo to the exact center position with the arm perpendicular to the servo itself. Do this with each of the gimbals in the center, the trims centered, and the switch selected for the gear channel and flap channel set away from you or the up position if using the dual rate switches. The throttle servo you will set the arm as needed for you installation when setting up the throttle.

Mixing Elevator to Flap

Press the UP key until the screen says MX1. Press the + key until the first channel says elevator, then press the select key so that the arrow points at the second channel, then press the + key until the second channel says gear. Now press the select key three times, and press the increase or decrease key and select the switch position that you would like to have this active. It is best to use a different switch than was set for the gear and flaps in the system mode switch selection from earlier. Now press the select key 4 times to take you back to the rate set up. Set the switch you selected so that the screen says ON in the upper left hand corner. Now press the increase key while holding up elevator until you get to about 35 percent. If the flaps go up, reverse the value from +35 to –35. Now push down elevator, and press the increase key to 35. If the flaps go down, reverse the value from +35 to –35. This will give you flaps mixed to the elevator for tight loops, etc.

Setting up Crow and Mixing Flap to Elevator

Press the up key until you come to a screen saying FLAP SYSTEM. Here you can adjust the amount and direction of the ailerons in crow by adjusting the percentage with the increase or decrease key with the arrow pointing at FLAP. For the elevator compensation with crow, press the select key one time. Now activate crow by whatever switch combination you have chosen, and press the increase or decrease keys as necessary to get the down elevator compensation mentioned in the manual. To adjust the amount of flap movement, go to the travel adjust function, and adjust the gear channel travel as needed.
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Danny;
Again thank you for your quick and informative reply.
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Old 05-28-2004, 08:36 AM
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No problem! Please let us know if you have any further questions.
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Hi Danny

I did the setup exactly but when you get to the mixing the elevators to flaps the problem starts.
The radio see the ailerons as flaps. The elevator and ailerons(flaps) work together.

What am I doing wrong?
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Old 11-13-2006, 09:36 AM
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Make sure for the elevator program mix that the slave channel is the gear channel, not the flap channel. The flaps should be programmed into the gear channel.
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Old 11-14-2006, 08:56 AM
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Hi Danny

I still do not understand. Also rememer the flaps are plugged into the gear channel and also when you map the switches the flaps work
on the gear switch. Can you please explain to me how to map the flaps to the gear channel for the mox as the radio sees the flaps as the
ailerons that go up when you apply the crow brake switch.

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Old 11-14-2006, 09:38 AM
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Default RE: 6102 sMix Setup

You can move the flaps to be controlled by another switch on the gear channel through the switch selection screen. This is something that you have a choice of which switch to use as mentioned in the guide that is posted above. The radio must see the ailerons as the flaps in order to do the crow function, which is both ailerons coming up in the crow position. In other words, flaperon must be turned on, the ailerons plugged into channels 2 and 6, using the flap system to set the ailerons for crow, and the flaps in the gear channel, using the gear channels travel adjust to set the throw. And for both cases you can select the switch you want to use to control each.
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That is all fine and I managed to do the setup and I do understand that. However when I get to the section saying "Mixing Elevator to Flap" that is where
my problem starts. According to the Ultra stick manual they clearly show that "Mixing Elevator to Flap" is where the Flaps (inside 2 ailerons) go down
and the elevator go up and that will ensure that you can do tight loops. My radio the x2610 (same as XP6102) only have the following under the
ELEV - F Mix = E-DN = %
E-UP = %
SW - secting which switch to use for this feature
this is on page 36 of the manual.
When I apply the feature with the spesified switch the ailerons(outside 2) go down and the elevator go up.

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Hi Danny

I now realize there is 2 versions of this setup floating on the internet and I have been using the wrong version.
The one that I was using looks the sam it is just the "Mixing Elevator to Flap" that are different and that are wrong as
it does not work. It tells you to use the ELEV - F Mix not the Mix1.

That version was published by Horizon Hobby. I can mail you that version if you would like to see the confusion that it creates.

Thanks for all the help now it seems to work.

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Default RE: 6102 sMix Setup

I wrote the guide, there has only been 1 version.
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Well someone is publishing the wrong version

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Ya, I have no idea where that came from. [8D] I'll make sure it is corrected.
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Hangar9 also use it on their website

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The Hangar 9 site pulls from the same data as the Horizon site. These are in the process of being corrected. I'm going to delete the links you posted to prevent any confusion.
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Thanks a million. I am very greatfull for all your help and now my stick are performing like a STICK.

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Default RE: 6102 sMix Setup

I have a quick question regarding my 6102. how do i set up the timer. I have searched the manual for it and it is no where to be found. any info would be great. thanks.
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Old 03-08-2007, 10:14 AM
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The 6102 does not have a timer function. It has a total model timer and that is all.
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is there a way to reset the total time each i start to fly? If there is no function it is okay, but a way to reset the total time before each time i fly would be nice. Thanks danny
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To reset the total model time, hold the scroll(down) + select at the same time and then turn on the Tx.
Select the model you want to reset the time on.
The arrow should be beside the #of the plane--example--- >#2 PLANE PPM
Then push the select button one time, the arrow will move down to the total time, as follows-- >TOTAL T 0:15:39
Push the clear button.
The time is reset.

Oh yeah don't forget to either turn off the Tx or press the scroll(down) + select to exit programming.
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