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DX7, AR6100 and a Stryker?

Old 02-26-2007, 01:39 AM
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Here's my experience with the DX7, AR6100, Stryker F27C combo:

I picked up a DX7 and AR6100 last weekend. I installed the AR6100 this weekend, which up until then I had been using the stock ParkZone Tx & Rx.

First thing I noticed when I got in the air was that the Stryker is a LOT more responsive with this radio system. The latency is noticably lower.

Flying a normal flight pattern, I lot signal somewhere around 500-700 feet (estimate, the plane was close enough to clearly see). The throttle went to the default setting, which for me was off. It headed for the ground, but then I regained control and managed to bring it back up. A couple seconds later, I lost signal again, and this time I wasn't so lucky. Crash. Fortunately, it went nose first into very soft mud. Damage report: broken nose, easily fixed.

I did a range check afterward and confirmed that signal intermittenly drops at 700+ feet.

I'm scared of using the AR6100 for really anything but very slow, close range flying. I'm rather disappointed. I was hoping to use the DX7 / AR6100 combo for most of my small planes, but now it looks like I'll be forced to use the $100 AR7000. =(
Old 02-26-2007, 09:04 AM
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Default RE: DX7, AR6100 and a Stryker?

Jeff,
That is very good to know. The edge of my flying range is about 700 feet! With the speed of the Stryker, it is easy to get there in a short time. Do you think an AR7000 with fit in the F-27C? If so, I guess I had better switch mine out too!

I have flown two times with the same setup, and only went to about 500 feet because I wasn't going all out yet. I am glad to have your information.
Old 02-26-2007, 10:16 AM
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tclaridge,

I did install the AR7000 in my Stryker after the issues with the AR6100. I haven't had a chance to fly and test it out yet though. I'll let you know when I do.

I decided to put my AR6100 in my Typhoon. I recently purchased the PlugNPlay Typhoon and have yet to fly it (too windy!). I'm guessing that since the Typhoon isn't as fast as the Stryker, it'll be easier to keep it within close range.

I'm bummed that to have peace of mind, I'll have to purchase the $100 reciever...

Regards,
Jeff
Old 02-26-2007, 06:55 PM
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Me too. I guess I can always use the AR6100 in a future plane, but I am confused about this because there are many reports of folks using the older AR6000/DX6 on the F-27C with no issues. Oh well, better safe than sorry!
Old 02-27-2007, 12:00 AM
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got a replacement 6100 from horizon a couple of days ago. they said they repaired a ant. in my unit but gave me a replacement for my peace of mind. From what my 6100 was doing its no way it was just a ant problem. i duplicted the problem with the tx only 5 feet away. elevator going full down one second then to neutral then the rudder went full right and locked there long enough to pick up the tx and see elevator alierons and throttle working perfect but moving the rudder stick on tx had no effect.touched connection at plug ins on rec rudder went to neutral then i saw orange light on rec go off and back on real quick. antenna only i dont think so have not tried the replacement yet and might not
Old 07-02-2007, 11:31 AM
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The range of the AR6000 is basically identical to the AR6100. The benifits of the AR6100 are as you say, lighter, faster, and smaller, and also will require less battery consumption from the TX than the AR6000.

Why does the TX require more battery consumption using a 6000 RX than a 6100 RX? Does the TX know which type of RX is bound to it?
Old 07-03-2007, 08:05 AM
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Yes, the transmitter operates in DSM when using the AR6000, but operates in DSM2 with the AR6100 and this protocol has less battery consumption.
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Yes, the transmitter operates in DSM when using the AR6000, but operates in DSM2 with the AR6100 and this protocol has less battery consumption.
Thanks for replying. I never realized that. So to do that, the RX would have to have a small TX built in it to identify it as DSM or DSM2 to the DX7 during binding??

If you don’t mind, I would like to expand the conversation some.

Is the extra TX power consumption used for transmission output? The reason I ask is that in the Sailplane group someone did a range test using the 6000, 6100, and 7000 inside and outside a carbon fuse. This was done using the range check procedure and counting off steps until the RX lost reception.

In the test, it was clear that the 6000 had a much higher range than the 6100 and the Spektrum website states "it will deliver reliable range exceeding that of any other receiver sold specifically for parkflyers"…and I assume by that statement that would include the 6100.

Is the 6100 a dual link RX? My following thoughts are based on it not being a dual link RX, which may be incorrect. I think this because on the Spektrum website, the term “dual link†is not mentioned in the 6100 description as it is with the 6000, 6200, and 7000. So if the 6100 is not a dual link receiver, which to me is implying that two channels are not secured and used by the TX but only one channel, not as much transmission power is required resulting in reduced battery consumption.

In my research, which is based on too much anecdotal information, if weight is not an issue then the 6000 seems to have a more robust link using dual link than the 6100 using DSM2 alone, and the 6000 seems to have a more effective range due to an unknown reason (possibly TX output, ant length, dual link??).

Any clarifications/corrections you could provide is appreciated.
Old 07-05-2007, 08:22 AM
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Default RE: DX7, AR6100 and a Stryker?

It has nothing to do with the output, just with the protocol used. The 6100 is not dual link, but it does operate on 2 channels just as all air Spektrum equipment does. The range of the 6000 and 6100 are very similar and in most cases the same. Both are designed for park flyers.
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ORIGINAL: dsnyder

It has nothing to do with the output, just with the protocol used. The 6100 is not dual link, but it does operate on 2 channels just as all air Spektrum equipment does. The range of the 6000 and 6100 are very similar and in most cases the same. Both are designed for park flyers.
Thanks again for your fast replies. The only other question I have remaining at the moment was how does the TX know which protocol to use, i.e. which RX is binded? Does the RX transmit during the binding process?
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It is determined during the bind process.
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It is determined during the bind process.
OK. But how does the DX7 know that a 6000 (and not some DSM2 RX for that matter) is binding to it thereby requiring DSM protocol from the DX7 which will use greater battery consumption? It would seem necessary in that case that the RX would have to actively transmit to the DX7 to let it know what it is.
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[8D]I am using a 6100 on my Stryker..without any problems...my receiver is mounted upside down on top of the canopy, with double stick tape and a safety nylon tie warp. This
allows the elevon lead to plug directly in. I have flown it with a 9303 w/module 2.4 ghz and with a DX-7 without any problems...the model is fast but very stable..rock solid link
between the model and me...a blast to fly...I painted the bottom of the Stryker WHITE...to keep track top to bottom....it is fast.

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During the bind process the protocol is determined and is stored for that model.
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ORIGINAL: dsnyder

It has nothing to do with the output, just with the protocol used. The 6100 is not dual link, but it does operate on 2 channels just as all air Spektrum equipment does. The range of the 6000 and 6100 are very similar and in most cases the same. Both are designed for park flyers.
To have a different protocol the receiver must have an inner transmitter for answering . Moreover transmitter must have his inner receiver to get this information. Is not it?
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Hey Speedpro,

You probably already know this by now by there was a defect in some of the original AR6100 receivers. If you search around you will find posts about the problem with the elevator going full down and crashing a number of aircraft. You have to make sure you have the updated V1.2 unit to be safe. I've read that HH will replace or upgrade the older units for no charge. Some guys even got their crashed airplanes replaced. If you are not using a V1.2 unit you may end up with the RX locking up under certain conditions.

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got a replacement 6100 from horizon a couple of days ago. they said they repaired a ant. in my unit but gave me a replacement for my peace of mind. From what my 6100 was doing its no way it was just a ant problem. i duplicted the problem with the tx only 5 feet away. elevator going full down one second then to neutral then the rudder went full right and locked there long enough to pick up the tx and see elevator alierons and throttle working perfect but moving the rudder stick on tx had no effect.touched connection at plug ins on rec rudder went to neutral then i saw orange light on rec go off and back on real quick. antenna only i dont think so have not tried the replacement yet and might not

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