Mike Wiz

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I just ordered a DX7 and I also preordered a couple AR6100 recievers. My question is where do I have to stop using the 6100 and start using the 7000 rx? In particular, I have a brushless Stryker. It's very similar in preformance to the new one you guys offer with hot brushless setup. Is the AR 6100 OK to use in a plane like this?

Thanks in advance,

Mike Wizynajtys

Mike Wiz

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Nobody knows? I would have thought the people at Horizon would know. After all, the plane and radio are their products.

Carpilot

Well I'm glad to see the Whole JR, Spektrum, Horizon thing is still going strong. Do you smell that dead horse?

Anyway Mike Wiz, As per Spectrum instuctions on the AR6100

"At only 3.5 grams and 19mm x 30mm x 9mm (WxLxH), the AR6100 is the ultimate 2.4GHz receiver for most any small electric model from mini profile foamies to 400 class helis."

The AR7000 is the only receiver for glow aircraft.

I have also seen alot of mistakes made setting these High performance strykers up. ESC and battery choice are very important here, so the receiver power coming from the ESC does not drop too low during high current operation.

dsnyder

The 6100 receiver is for park flyer models, anything above a park flyer should use the AR7000.

Mike Wiz

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I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about here. I'm definitely not trying to beat a dead horse. I have a serious question and this is the best place I could think of to get an answer.

While the Stryker is advertised in the parkflyer section of the Horizon website, the brushless Stryker with it's high preformance dosen't seem like it fits the parkflyer catagory. Also, it dosen't lend itself well to the installation of the 2 piece AR7000 RX that comes with the DX7. So guys at Horizon, what do you suggest? Should I just stick with my old JR 8103 TX with a JR RS6UL. I mean the old system works just fine, but I would like to convert it to use my new DX7.

Wiz

Mike Wiz

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So is the F27C by Parkzone not a parkflyer? You guys are going to have to draw a line in the sand with the AR6100. Give us a size and/or speed limitation and not just say "parkflyer". That term is too open to interpretation by the end user.

I'm not just some wiseguy trying to make trouble. I'm a very loyal JR/Horizon customer.

Mike Wizynajtys

dsnyder

The F-27C is a park flyer. Park flyer is the size limitation, there is no speed limitation.

Mike Wiz

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OK then, my brushless F-27B Stryker is similar in performance to the Parkzone F-27C Stryker. With that in mind, can I infer from this that the AR6100 is suitable for use in my Stryker?

When you say "Park flyer is a size limitation" are you saying the limitations of the AR6100 are relative to distance? As you know, the F27-C is quite fast, and while it's too small to get too far away from a pilot I do fly mine a lot farther away than say a Tensor.

BTW, thanks for answering these questions, Danny.

Wiz

John Redman

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Hey Wiz,

I can tell you I fly my F-27C on a DX7 with an R6000 rx unit (yep the one that came with the DX6. The 6100 will work fine for you in this case, you will have no worries. Save the 7000 rx unit for something bigger.

Enjoy the Spektrumized Stryker!!!

Mike Wiz

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Thanks, John.

This discussion gives me a better feel for the system I just bought. For some reason I thought speed of the aircraft figured into the equation. I'm glad that's not the case. I'm looking forward to geting the new DX7 system and saying goodbye to the frequency board.

Thanks to you too Danny.

Cheers,

Wiz

tclaridge

Thanks for the inputs everyone. They are helpful.

I have the same setup: F27C and DX7 radio. I was wondering about the AR6000 vs AR6100 because I think of capability in range, not size of the aircraft. Although I might fly a big plane farther because I can see it, the fast F27C will put on some distance in short order.

My question is: How does the range of the AR6000 compare to the AR6100? My guess is the AR6100 should be the default receiver for DX7 owners (in a park flyer), and I don't need to bother with an AR6000. Sound right? What's not to like in the AR6100? Lighter, faster, and smaller, and all at the same price!!

dsnyder

The range of the AR6000 is basically identical to the AR6100. The benifits of the AR6100 are as you say, lighter, faster, and smaller, and also will require less battery consumption from the TX than the AR6000.

tclaridge

Very nice. Thanks.

Crash One

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I'm not really trying to start anything here...but I do want to make sure I understand the pro's and con's of the DX7 Technology so I can purchase the correct equipment. You say the range of the 6000 and 6100 units are the same but a disclaimer from one or your retailers says this about the 6100's:

"NOTICE: This is a limited range receiver. ******** has tested and is working under our test results that the range is good to no more than 600 ft."

If that's the case I would think the 6000's would be the way to go for fast planes. I know 400' out and 200' up isn't much for a Stryker. Am I missing something here?

dsnyder

The range of the AR6100 and AR6000 are basically the same, and both receivers are limited to slow and park flyer aircraft and micro and mini helis.

tclaridge

I didn't think the range was as low as 600 ft. One of the eletric gurus at my LHS did a "walk test" of the AR6000, and he said it was up to 1000 ft on the ground, and then he gave up. Can't see that far.

Danny,
I know range will vary with the airplane installation, but doesn't 600 ft sound conservative? I would guess more towards 1000 ft, but I can't find any range information on the web at all. My interpretation of a "park flyer range" would be at least 300 yards (900 ft) Please help with a little info here.

dsnyder

We do not state the range of any receiver, and we have never stated there was 600ft of range. Range is dependant on atmospheric conditions etc and there isn't any way to say exactly what the range is going to be for any system. As I have said the range of these 2 receivers is very similar.

Crash One

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So, given that both units have nearly identical range, and both units are the same price, which would you personally use and why if size or weight isn't an issue? I know the 7000 is too large for my "park" planes but I don't want to buy 12 6100's only to find out the 6000's are better or vice-versa.

Also, why would that retailer make that range claim unless he/she possibly wanted to sell the 6000's because they didn't have the 6100's in stock yet? They have no range statements in their listings for the 6000's or 7000's.

I have 4 8103DT's and only want to buy gear once more. Our field is prone to glitching on everything, ( Futaba, JR, PPM, PCM, etc.) except the DX6's and 7's, which most of the members have gone to. I'm slow to change but do want to make the correct decisions.

Thanks for any comments to make this technology easier to understand for us old folks!

tclaridge

Crash,
I saw that statement about the 600 ft limit on the 6100, and it did not go along with any other posts on folks using the 6100. There was not any information offered about the plane or test condition either. If Danny says the range is similiar, I am good with that.

Given the folks I've talked too, the limit sounds more like 1000 + ft, and that is plenty for a Stryker unless you have eagle eyes. I have heard of a plane go in at 1500 ft, but at that distance, it could have been many things. A plane this size is a mere speck at 1500 ft.

I think the 6100 is a good bet for this bird. I am goin' for it. I will report any success or failure on this thread. It would be good to hear from everyones experience as the 6100 gets used more.

John Redman

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As has been stated it was a retailer that has made the claims on ranges for the 6000 and/or 6100. Horizon Hobby has never stated a range for either receivers as Danny stated earlier in this thread.

The newer 6100 is the second generation receiver in the DSM arena. Between the 6000 and 6100, the 6100 is the better receiver. I think this should make basic sense, we don't go backwards with technology. Bottom line is this; if you install either in a park flyer, you will have total control when you cannot tell what the plane is doing regardless of what distance you are flying from yourself. I will not define park flyer either, I believe the inteligent modeler can do that on his own. If you can discern what the model is doing with a park flyer size model, you will have control. The reason I use a 6000, is because I have been testing the Stryker C for close to a year, and we didn't have 6100's back then. Just because they are available now, I will not change it out, the 6000 does the job without reservation.

If the 6100's are in stock, buy those and enjoy life. If not and you want a receiver right now, buy a 6000 and go fly. Either one will do the job for you.

Crash One

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I appreciate the info. That makes sense. I was leaning towards the 6100's since they only work with the DX7's until I read that "limited range" statement. Maybe they tested on a bad day. I like the size of the 6100's better too. Thanks.

speedpro 1

i was flying my park flyer with my dx7 and ar6100 level flight 200 ft away just took a nose dive after only four flights no elevator control i thought i may have had a mechanical failure on the elevator. so i took the 6100 and put it to another plane for three or flights just to see if the 6100 was ok it seemed to be ok so i replaced the crashed plane with sometime like the old plane . fifth flight level no more than 300 feet away same thing nosed down had no elevator all other controls ok i was able to cut throttle before impact post crash inspection showed light on solid and all controls working. bad reciever? interfearance? i four one is scared of the6100 . the second crash had new esc, servos same motor and same 6100

dsnyder

If it is only happening on 1 channel it is not interference. In the event of interference, all channels will hold except throttle which will go to the fail safe position that was set during binding. It could be a connection problem, or some other issue. It may be best to send the system in for a check up.

speedpro 1

after trying to duplicate problem for a couple of hours (radio and gear on for a while then off then on it finally happened heres what it did tapping on 6100 then watching elevator went to max down one second then back to neutral10 seconds later rudder went full right and stayed there i moved rudder stick onTX NOTHNG all other controls working tapped on connector on RX rudder to neutral then the orange light went off about one second then back on has not done it again tonight.

dsnyder

I'd recommend sending the RX in for a check up.