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Old 07-24-2011, 08:07 PM
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Another one you could look at is tarheel Hal down in Galveston I was thinking about painting mine like that one but I decided that I will build a razorback when I finally get to it
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Good morning "Red",I should be receiving an OS120 AX for the Simla later today. As for the finish detail on the P-47,I am not sure how crazy I want to get with that. I have been building models for over fifty years, but this ismy first giant and my first war bird. The guys in the build I referred you to earlier went all out on the panel lines and rivets. They really look great, but I'm leaning more to a stand off scale appearance; at least for this first time project. I have been thinking about aMustang and/or a Corsair build in the future, so maybe I can get crazy on one of those.
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Old 07-25-2011, 03:30 AM
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I built the TF 60 P-47 and added the panel lines and rivets. Honestly it only added maybe a few days to the total build. Panel lines are easy, took all of 1 day to lay the chart pack tape out, spray the primer then wet sand the next day. Rivets, maybe another day or two max.....it really doesn't take as long as you might think. Makes it worth it when just one person comes up and knows what I put into it..
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:42 AM
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redbisquits and billberry................how did you determine where and how much to angle the horizontal/elevator/fin/rudder hingeline angles at the tips. I've pondered doing that and just cannot seem to figure out where to start the angle and the angle itself. Would either/both of you be so kind as to publish the dimensions you used so I could follow suit? Also, I'm thinking of adding triangle stock to the trailing edge of the horizontal and fin to make a better hingeline that does not have a gap. I've looked at some photos of the real thing and it seems that that is how the real thing was. I have studied and studied this bird and am making decisions on what I will and won't do while building it. My father-in-law flew a P47 in WWII which got me interested in this particular warbird. I'm also building it as a Razorback............just like that style better than the bubble version.

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Old 07-25-2011, 11:58 AM
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Andy,
I kinda just eyeballed it from what Bill did on his. I could get the protractor out and tell you exactly if you want. I still want to fiddle with it a little as the full scale isn't just a straight angle cut, It has a little bit of a curve to it.
Here is a link I found that may help a little.
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:08 PM
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redbisquits...............yes........anything you could provide would be helpfull............I heard from billy via email and between the two of you I should be able to figure something out. This is the reason I didn't do it in the first place.........figuring that no matter what I did..........it would be wrong

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Old 07-25-2011, 12:38 PM
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Oldtyme, consider this. How wrong would it be if you did nothing at all? Even a little off is better than a straight line on the stab and fin. If you are not involved in scale warbird competition, give it a go and be satisfied with the results. Good luck!
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Old 07-25-2011, 03:20 PM
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Good morning ''Red'', I should be receiving an OS 120 AX for the Simla later today. As for the finish detail on the P-47, I am not sure how crazy I want to get with that. I have been building models for over fifty years, but this is my first giant and my first war bird. The guys in the build I referred you to earlier went all out on the panel lines and rivets. They really look great, but I'm leaning more to a stand off scale appearance; at least for this first time project. I have been thinking about a Mustang and/or a Corsair build in the future, so maybe I can get crazy on one of those.
Bill............you sound like me............been building forever and this is my first (and last) giant and first warbird. I've wanted to do this for a long time and now that I'm retired I have the time............and maybe patience. This will also be my first glass/paint and I mostly have just covered all my models in Monokote and I've only had two models before this one with retracts. I've bought the retracts, wheels/brakes and engine and have also acquired fiberglass parts from Fiberglass Specialties and as I did not want to work with the ABS parts. Did that on the TF C182 and HATED it!!

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Old 07-25-2011, 03:38 PM
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This might sound dumb but I dont think you will want brakes on this plane as it is a tail dragger.
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Old 07-25-2011, 04:17 PM
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Andy,
I couldn't find the protractor, kids must of took off with it.
I hope the pictures explain themselves. I went ahead and hinged everything and I'm leaving the way it is.
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Cub's have brakes.
No, I don't think you would want brakes on this.
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Old 07-25-2011, 04:23 PM
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Oldtyme, I did use the ABS cowl, but then I have about 45 years experience with automotive plastic repairs ( I am a retired autobody man and painter). when you get ready for your fiberglas covering check with ACP Composites. They have a nifty .5 oz cloth. You have to be careful using it because it tendsto stretch apart when you pull on it. I used itto cover my wingsusing a first coat of Dupont urethane clear applied over the glass with a soft bristled brush 2 to 3 inches wide. Spread the clear out as thin asyou can get itover the glass while you work out the wringles and bubbles. Let the first coat set up completely.The surface of the wing will look semigloss with a cloth look to it. Next, scuff the surface lightly with 220 or even 180 grit paper if your careful not tosand through the glass. After that brush or spray on a second medium heavy coat of clear. Let it cure over night and then sand with either 220 or 180 grit until you get a smooth surface. After that I plan on using two light coats of grey urethane primer followed by a mist coat of black spray can lacquer as a guide coat. Block the surface until all of the black disappears and you should have anexceptionally smooth surface to work with. This method assumes that you have done all your filler work before you glass the surface. From here you should be able to apply your tape lines for your panels followed by a couple of light coats of primer, rivets, light scuff with 320 or 400 grit ( or even a scotch brite pad if the primer comes outreally smooth). Apply what ever finish color scheme you have decided to use. Because this method can add a bit of weight it is important to pay close attention when you are sanding and sand as much of the filler coats off as possible. I have been following my build weights and I believe I should come in at between 26 and 28 pounds. We'll see.
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Old 07-25-2011, 04:29 PM
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Redbiscuits I know they do its called a Prop.
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ORIGINAL: Bob Parker

Redbiscuits I know they do its called a Prop.
It stands for

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ORIGINAL: Bob Parker

This might sound dumb but I dont think you will want brakes on this plane as it is a tail dragger.
Bob........that may be true.......we'll see.......but I wanted to play with them and I have them and they were expensive..........but I don't have to use them We fly off of a 600' paved runway and some of the planes just roll and roll and roll so even a light touch would be helpful. The wheels that come with the brakes are awesome looking!!! After all this is just a toy to me and I wanna play. I'm even looking at having the intercooler doors work with the throttle. I got the design off of RCU and thought when the time comes I might....just might......give it a try. Thanks for the comment though......always a lot to think about with these things.

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Andy,
I couldn't find the protractor, kids must of took off with it.
I hope the pictures explain themselves. I went ahead and hinged everything and I'm leaving the way it is.
Red,

Thanks a lot for the info......it will be very very helpful to me and thanks for the quick response........really appreciate it.

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Bill,

Thanks for the instructions.........I'll print them off and save them in my P47 file. You and Red have been a big help.

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Andy,
Glad we could help. Post some pics of your progress when you get time.
I know the angle and shape isn't dead on scale but it works for me. Some may prefer to spend a little more time getting a more scale look but for me, I don't want to spend a week on such a small detail. It's easy to get bogged down on something like this and pretty soon 2 years have past and your only half done with a build and burned-out on top of it. JMO
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Subscribed I just love the Jug There's some good detail tips in this thread http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_28...tm.htm#2856415 I know it's only the 60 size but it will give you some ideas. I set up the hidden control horns and retractable tail wheel on mine. If you do it on a 60 size you can easy do it on the big bird.
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Old 07-28-2011, 10:47 AM
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Nice work,
Just curious, how are you to make sure the torque tube doesn't ever come loose from inside either one of the elevators?
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The tube will be epoxied into the elevator halves, and then drilled and pinned much like it would be if you used the elevator joiner wire. Just rough up the cf tube with some 80 grit.
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One more thing, I'm using Robart hinges with the hinge pockets so I can remove the control surfaces if needed.
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Made some more progress this weekend. Rudder is ready to cut away and hinge. I bought a Revell P-47D plastic model for reference purposes, should make details a little easier to figure out.
Almost time to start on the fuse.[sm=thumbs_up.gif]
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