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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Good idea on using a anrrow shat for the lighting wires. I have some carbon fiber ones i picked up a while back.

    I have laminated the horz stab and the elev sheet for the rib base. Now I am in the process of making all the "s" ribs...pain. I noticed that it's necessary to have the ribs in place on the base sheet before putting the TE and LE on so that they will center into them. That would have been an anrgy mistake LOL
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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    The center section is more of a problem for me than I had anticipated....
    Put in a couple of hours on it this evening.....Used epoxy to secure the spar into the spar box.
    I glued the two end spars on upside down.........that's what happens when you are half asleep and still building.
    I'll fix that later tonight or tomorrow.........should have gone flying today.....72 degrees, sunny and 5 mph winds....
    Next Wednesday it is supposed to get into the low 80's....we need rain badly...

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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Hi Sebo,

    Couple of questions. In post 15 you are using soild blocks in the center of hte horz stab, do your plans call for that? My plans don't show solid blocks for the center of the HS.

    Also, what size Robarts did you use in the HS and ELEV? I have some 308 hinges that look like they would work.

    My HS and Elev halves are framed, I am going to try to get all the surfaces tapered and sanded into shape tonight,


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    you must be flying ....
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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    I used 3/16 super hinge points. Used one hinge point more than the plans called for....just spaced them evenly....same with the vertical stab.
    Consider using a few lightening holes in the stabs.........every ounce saved in the tail saves 3 ounces in the nose. I didn't use lightening holes...wish I had.

    Now I know why you asked me about the 1/64 inch sheeting...........it is supposed to go over the balsa blocks. Yes, the blocks are on my plans right where it says to use the 1/64 ply sheeting. My blocks weren't high enough so I used spackling to fill the gap..........should have used 1/64 ply as the plans say.
    I can still do that now since nothing is assembled.
    Thanks for catching that.

    About the flying, too windy even though the temperature is in the 70's. Tomorrow is to be windy and Wednesday windy too. Temperature tomorrow, 81 degrees and on Wed 83.
    If the wind doesn't blow, I'll be flying on Wed.......tomorrow is filled with "to do" stuff.

    I've worked on the center wing section for a couple of days.
    Glued 4 of the ribs in upside down (how did I manage that?) andone of the receiving holes for the wing spar turned out to be 3/8 inch out of wack.
    I've fixed those itemsand will continue with the center section.

    I've got to quit working on it in the wee hours of the morning......I glue before I double check.....not good.

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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Thanks for the update on the hinges.

    You may want to look at the horz stab plans again and the ribs that go into it. Take a look at the detail on the ribs. You'll notice that the 1/64 goes over the 1/8 balsa that is used for the base of the horz stab. So the HS is a sandwich of balsa and 1/64 ply.

    I don't see any indicators on my plan that say you should put ply over the blocks. My plans are newer and there could be some differences. I have a note that says 1/16 balsa sheeting top and bottom of HS an elev. I am waiting on that sheeting pending getting some fligteskin in to test with.

    Later and build earlier in the day, nothing better than coffee and balsa in the morning - or for that matter a martini and balsa in the evening LOL!!!
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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    It definitely sounds like our plans do differ. Mine do not call for 1/16 sheeting. I can understand why the 1/64 ply would be used in your aircraft since it is over smaller sheeting.
    my plans are very old and the kit was cut many years ago....even the wingtips are pointed down (honer style) rather than up as the newer pictures portray. I have to give that some thought too,
    I had the kit cut and there wasn't even one sheet of 1/16 balsa in it. There was one small sheet of thin plywood.

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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Well that's pretty interesting. I guess at some point Hostleter decided to have the ES and IV on one set of plans and when he did that he made some updates.

    I did start a thread for the IV build it's Hostetler Lancair IV Build. Not much on it right now....
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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Both of them are on my plans too (I think).I'm not smart enough to decipher that.......I know that I requested that the kit cutter cut the ES for me. That he did and even supplied the landing gear for theES. So what do I do...I decide to gowith retracats.The ES gear is ina box in the closet.

    So this is where Iam as oftonight.....I mean this morning.................Worked on it most of the night.....still lots to dobut I'm getting there....Remember, I am a sloooowwwww builder.
    I make some mistakes but correct them as soon as I realize what I have done in error.

    Here goes........all together for rough fitting...notice that no wheels are attachedwith this trial fitting........cutouts will have to be made for them.

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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Looking great! I am in the finishing up part of the horz stab and elevs. Hard to believe but I have probably put in 3 hours all together just in the frameing and sanding it! I got my sample sheetign from flight skin yeaterday, I did a test on an old V stab I built and never used. Prety cool stuff

    Do you know what the degree up and down is on the elev? Right now mine is pretty low and I need to sand down to fit into the h stab TE. Can you take a pic or two of your h stab and elevs where the elev LE and hte H stab TE meet?

    Thanks

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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.



    Check with Wendell.......He'll help you.......I don't know........When you find out, please post it here.........Thanks, Ron


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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Here are the throws.

    3/8" each way for ailerons, 1 1/2" each way for rudder, 1 1/2" up and 1' down for elevators. Adjust to your flying preference after test flights.

    Wendell Hostetler
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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Thanks........I haven't done any work on it for a week........been flying.........

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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Something that may be of interest.........I haven't "bashed" my kit as I would have if I had seen this piece of info first...........the fowler flapsappear to bethe same as on a Cessna; not as I have created on my plane.
    The landing gear is fartherout towards the wing than mine.....well, I am doing it my way and am enjoying the build.

    http://www.mutleyshangar.com/reviews/ag/rll/rll.htm

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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Lucky you for being able to get out and fly.... cold and windy etc here in VA.

    That is a cool link but it is not a ES or IV and the Legacy has many differences. It's funny you bring this up I was thinking of doing dive brakes like a Dauntless, but it'd be so out of scale...

    Looking to order my fliteskin the wing area on the IV is 1024" When I order I will be sure to add in mistake stock lol.

    I have spent a lot of time on the H stab and elev's I have adjusted my throws to meet Wendalls spec. I may just get all the flying surfaces built and then cover everything at one time.


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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    There sure a lot of variations of this aircraft.............I don't really feel out of line with my mods.
    If the real manufacturer can enhance it, I surely can too...........I will call it the Lancair RS.......(Ron Sebo).

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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    I like that ....

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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Sebo, you must be out flying... lucky you...

    Hey looking atyour wing build pics and looking at my iv plans there are some diferences betwenn the ES and the IV in the wing build. But the center section seems the same for the most part. There is where my question lays.... On the outboard end of the center section, my plans do not call out by rib number any rib to fit there. I looked at my W1's and the outboard is longer than the W1 rib, so did you end up crafting one?

    Also the ribs where the wing spars go into the spar boxes.. It looks like the center section ribs but be cut to allow the spar boxes to span the center section, is that a correct assumption?

    Thanks
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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Good assumption.........that's what I have been working on for a couple of days. The kit cutter cut a few ribs that were similar to rib number 1 with a note on them saying "cut as needed".
    Make sure that both wings are level with each other.........I wound up with a torque on mine and am working to straighten it out....trailing edge on one wing was higher than the other....spar boxes didn't quite match up....I think I have it ok now.
    Haven't been flying for a few days.........cold and windy........today is the first nice day and the field is closed for F3D or whatever until Sunday.
    Decided to work in the yard so that when the field opens again I can go fly. Don't want to be tied down by yard work.



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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    I am pooped...............it has been a hard fought battle but I am winning.....................
    I don't know if I should be sheeting the center section now or after I mount the center section to the fuse....too bad....I sheeted it anyhow....It can always be removed if necessary.
    Here are the pictures of about 20 hours of labor.
    I feel good to have it at this stage....
    Next I will cut out the wheel wells and hope that it all fits ok.

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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Looks good! I noticed you put lots of gussets in. Not a bad idea.
    Chasman

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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    LOOK WHAT I FOUND!!!!!!

    MY WORKBENCH!!!

    THIS IS A GOOD SIGN.

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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    One wheel done.........I'm quite pleased..................

    Perfect fit........
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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Very good. Nice job on the wheel!
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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    I got the other one in tonight.......Pictures coming later.

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    RE: Hostetler Lancair ES Build with retracts.

    Decided to put the arrow shaft into the center section so that I could sheet it.
    A box was created inside the wing rib so that there would be a place to store the connector for the wire that goes from the fuselage to the wing tip light.
    The center rib also has a box wooden cowl, so to speak that houses the arrow shaft half way through.
    The other half of the housing is sanded smooth so that the wires won't rub against the shaft.

    Sheeted part of the leading edge of the center wing section. I've been at this since 8:00 pm and it is now about 1:00 am. Time for a snack and then to bed.
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