Top Flite GS P-47 sports scale; diary of a build
07-30-2015, 11:58 AM
#2201
Well Edwin and I arrived at Bomber field today to get setup for the scale masters qulifire.
Miss Fire is ready for some test flights, waiting for later in the day.
Only thing I forgot was my spinner cap and mix oil, Edwin has the oil, going to have to fly without the cap.
TB
Miss Fire is ready for some test flights, waiting for later in the day.
Only thing I forgot was my spinner cap and mix oil, Edwin has the oil, going to have to fly without the cap.
TB
08-01-2015, 04:46 PM
#2203
Tony,
I hope the rest of the flights went well. Here are some pictures I took this morning at Bomber Field:
Here is the take off run
A few from in the air
And of coarse, the landing
I hope the rest of the flights went well. Here are some pictures I took this morning at Bomber Field:
Here is the take off run
A few from in the air
And of coarse, the landing
08-02-2015, 05:09 AM
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Scale Masters quilifer Report.
So this weekend was the Final Scale Masters qualifying event before the championship in October.
We arrived at Bomber Field on Thursday, set up and got ready.
The conditions where not to bad but we did have a cross wind.
The first day was just getting ready as I have only a half dozen flights on this plane and no time to practice a routine.
I did get a couple flights in at the end of the day as the wind sat down, just to start working out the kinks.
First flight was short, just to get a feel of the field.
Take off was good, engine was running good, but the gear was still not going all the way in, so that needed some work. Landing was good but still haven't tried flaps.
Second flight was short and about the same, getting better with the landings.
On Friday it was windy with a direct cross coming at the pilots stations.
So I did some tweaking and not any flying until the afternoon around 7:00 when the wind sat down. I adjusted the 3P valve so my gear would close faster and my inner doors would close slower. This is all I could do.
I did try flaps and there was no issue so I landed with them, works good with full flaps as there was light to no wind by then.
Still could not tell if the gear was closing all the way but at this point I have to go with it as is.
The day of the event.
There was about 20 pilots for this qualifier. Most where first timers in the Pro/ Am sportsman beginner class and a few in Pro/Am sportsman pro class.
There were two export team entries,
One was a scratch built WW1 plane.
The other was a CARF P-47 with a Moki 250.
Static judging was only for export entries so only these two planes got judged.
It was interesting to see how this was done and all the things they were pointing out.
On this plane the lack of rivets and detail was a hit, and documentation was lacking from what I was hearing.
The CD of the event has over ten years of experience at scale masters and top gun so he was explaining what was needed to be competitive,. this was good info.
Flying was setup for 4 rounds and two judging flight lines. So two planes in the air at the same time.
Wind was not to bad but still a 90 dg. cross. Flying started around 10;00ish.
I got ready and filled out my cards. There are 10 maneuvers you need to perform, two are mandatory, take off and landing
So I needed to come up with a routine off the fly. I did not get to do any practicing or flying short of a few test flights.
I have yet to even roll or loop this plane.
So my routine went as fallows.
1. Take off
2. Fly past.
3. Dirty pass.
4. Axis Roll
5. Loop
6. Climbing turn
7. Imelman
8. Figure eight
9. Realism
10. Landing.
So I got in line and it was go time. yes I was nervous as I have yet to do any of the maneuvers short of take off and landing with this new plane.
My caller would call " begin maneuver" when I started the maneuver, and "end maneuver" when I was out of it. He would also coach me and set me up for the next. IF we where in clos proximity of the other plane he would call orbit and I went around to get separation.
I chose to take off from the grass as there was a good cross. So I rolled out and lined up. Begin maneuver was called and I advanced the plane slowly and it tracked strait as an arrow.
The pass and dirty pass was good, then the roll. I did a roll on the back side just to see what she did. It was good so I turned and lined up for the maneuver. You can do maneuvers on the back side and they count as realism so you have to stay in character.
Into the roll and it was ok, I dropped a bit after the roll.
Next was the loop, again a did it on the back side at altitude and then in front of the judges. It was ok but not having the time to trim for it or practice it was not that good.
Next came the Climbing turn, easy and clean but it all needs work. into the Imelman again a little drift on the up climb.
The figure eight was the hardest to keep centered in the judges, keeping elevation and chimerical turns, needs practice.
Now to the landing, I got it pretty good and it was nice and slow with a good stable line to a good stop.
I am getting use to the shinny affect.
Here are my scores from round one.
It was getting windy and the jet guys were having a hard time, one plane took out the judging station as they scattered and a plane hit the chairs.
So they had a meeting as this was just the beginning of round three and wanted to call it at two rounds. Those that did not get a second flight in could go now, so I did as I needed to, to qualify.
I got lucky as the wind sat down, so I fired up and rolled out to take off on the grass. I advanced and as soon a s my tail came up I got a nasty prop strike shattering my prop as I nosed over, no damage just a broken prop.
So I put on a new prop, but all I had was a 24x10, to small but I was only going to keep throttle at half stick.
So I went out and again it nosed over, but no damage to the prop. Restart and this time from the pavement.
Takeoff was good, overall it was not as good of a fun to me as the first. I came in a little hot and had a long roll and way at the end after the call of end maneuver I turned to sharp tearing off the right wheel from the hub and bending the strut leg, no damage otherwise.
Here are the scores from the second round.
All pilots qualified but for the one that crashed out into the pilots stand
This was a great experience in to competitive flying as there was no static judging for Pro/am class in qualifiers. In the championship there will be.
Thanks to Rick I get to see that my doors are closing and the gear is going all the way in. My tail wheel doors are a bit lazy so I will tighten them up.
I do have some work to do to get her ready for the big bird event next month at our field. Need to go over everything, fix the strut, and get a few things tweaked. I will practice as much a s I can so I will be better prepared for Octobers championships.
Just an FYI, Pro/ Am is staked with flyers, but there inexperience also puts them in a disadvantage as they are not use to scale flight, those that practice will do well. I will be moving up into the more builder of the model class as that will suet me best.
TB
We arrived at Bomber Field on Thursday, set up and got ready.
The conditions where not to bad but we did have a cross wind.
The first day was just getting ready as I have only a half dozen flights on this plane and no time to practice a routine.
I did get a couple flights in at the end of the day as the wind sat down, just to start working out the kinks.
First flight was short, just to get a feel of the field.
Take off was good, engine was running good, but the gear was still not going all the way in, so that needed some work. Landing was good but still haven't tried flaps.
Second flight was short and about the same, getting better with the landings.
On Friday it was windy with a direct cross coming at the pilots stations.
So I did some tweaking and not any flying until the afternoon around 7:00 when the wind sat down. I adjusted the 3P valve so my gear would close faster and my inner doors would close slower. This is all I could do.
I did try flaps and there was no issue so I landed with them, works good with full flaps as there was light to no wind by then.
Still could not tell if the gear was closing all the way but at this point I have to go with it as is.
The day of the event.
There was about 20 pilots for this qualifier. Most where first timers in the Pro/ Am sportsman beginner class and a few in Pro/Am sportsman pro class.
There were two export team entries,
One was a scratch built WW1 plane.
The other was a CARF P-47 with a Moki 250.
Static judging was only for export entries so only these two planes got judged.
It was interesting to see how this was done and all the things they were pointing out.
On this plane the lack of rivets and detail was a hit, and documentation was lacking from what I was hearing.
The CD of the event has over ten years of experience at scale masters and top gun so he was explaining what was needed to be competitive,. this was good info.
Flying was setup for 4 rounds and two judging flight lines. So two planes in the air at the same time.
Wind was not to bad but still a 90 dg. cross. Flying started around 10;00ish.
I got ready and filled out my cards. There are 10 maneuvers you need to perform, two are mandatory, take off and landing
So I needed to come up with a routine off the fly. I did not get to do any practicing or flying short of a few test flights.
I have yet to even roll or loop this plane.
So my routine went as fallows.
1. Take off
2. Fly past.
3. Dirty pass.
4. Axis Roll
5. Loop
6. Climbing turn
7. Imelman
8. Figure eight
9. Realism
10. Landing.
So I got in line and it was go time. yes I was nervous as I have yet to do any of the maneuvers short of take off and landing with this new plane.
My caller would call " begin maneuver" when I started the maneuver, and "end maneuver" when I was out of it. He would also coach me and set me up for the next. IF we where in clos proximity of the other plane he would call orbit and I went around to get separation.
I chose to take off from the grass as there was a good cross. So I rolled out and lined up. Begin maneuver was called and I advanced the plane slowly and it tracked strait as an arrow.
The pass and dirty pass was good, then the roll. I did a roll on the back side just to see what she did. It was good so I turned and lined up for the maneuver. You can do maneuvers on the back side and they count as realism so you have to stay in character.
Into the roll and it was ok, I dropped a bit after the roll.
Next was the loop, again a did it on the back side at altitude and then in front of the judges. It was ok but not having the time to trim for it or practice it was not that good.
Next came the Climbing turn, easy and clean but it all needs work. into the Imelman again a little drift on the up climb.
The figure eight was the hardest to keep centered in the judges, keeping elevation and chimerical turns, needs practice.
Now to the landing, I got it pretty good and it was nice and slow with a good stable line to a good stop.
I am getting use to the shinny affect.
Here are my scores from round one.
It was getting windy and the jet guys were having a hard time, one plane took out the judging station as they scattered and a plane hit the chairs.
So they had a meeting as this was just the beginning of round three and wanted to call it at two rounds. Those that did not get a second flight in could go now, so I did as I needed to, to qualify.
I got lucky as the wind sat down, so I fired up and rolled out to take off on the grass. I advanced and as soon a s my tail came up I got a nasty prop strike shattering my prop as I nosed over, no damage just a broken prop.
So I put on a new prop, but all I had was a 24x10, to small but I was only going to keep throttle at half stick.
So I went out and again it nosed over, but no damage to the prop. Restart and this time from the pavement.
Takeoff was good, overall it was not as good of a fun to me as the first. I came in a little hot and had a long roll and way at the end after the call of end maneuver I turned to sharp tearing off the right wheel from the hub and bending the strut leg, no damage otherwise.
Here are the scores from the second round.
All pilots qualified but for the one that crashed out into the pilots stand
This was a great experience in to competitive flying as there was no static judging for Pro/am class in qualifiers. In the championship there will be.
Thanks to Rick I get to see that my doors are closing and the gear is going all the way in. My tail wheel doors are a bit lazy so I will tighten them up.
I do have some work to do to get her ready for the big bird event next month at our field. Need to go over everything, fix the strut, and get a few things tweaked. I will practice as much a s I can so I will be better prepared for Octobers championships.
Just an FYI, Pro/ Am is staked with flyers, but there inexperience also puts them in a disadvantage as they are not use to scale flight, those that practice will do well. I will be moving up into the more builder of the model class as that will suet me best.
TB
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08-15-2015, 11:30 AM
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Wheel fitment help
Hey guys. Been following several of the P47 builds here on RCU. Was wondering if I could get some fitment advice from everyone. I remember reading several posts on this issue a year or so back, but with so many threads/posts on TF P47 builds, I have no idea where they are.
As you can see from the pics, I'm worried that the gear wont be retracted enough to fully fit within the wheel wells once they are retracted. Especially after I fabricate some wheel pants as well. I've made some test shims to get the gear mount a little higher to give the gear more travel as well as shaved down the rib with the most interference as low as I think I can go and I still can't get the gear to go as low as it seems it should. I've got the 5" wheels the manual calls for, but maybe the 4.5" wheels would be better?
Perhaps it's fine, and after I sheet/glass the lower half of the wing, it won't be an issue. But wanted to get some input before I went past the point of no return with the epoxy. Thanks in advance for the replies.
JJ
As you can see from the pics, I'm worried that the gear wont be retracted enough to fully fit within the wheel wells once they are retracted. Especially after I fabricate some wheel pants as well. I've made some test shims to get the gear mount a little higher to give the gear more travel as well as shaved down the rib with the most interference as low as I think I can go and I still can't get the gear to go as low as it seems it should. I've got the 5" wheels the manual calls for, but maybe the 4.5" wheels would be better?
Perhaps it's fine, and after I sheet/glass the lower half of the wing, it won't be an issue. But wanted to get some input before I went past the point of no return with the epoxy. Thanks in advance for the replies.
JJ
08-15-2015, 03:51 PM
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In my expieriance (built three of theses kits) you can't get the gear in at the stock location. The gear doors won't close flush no mater how you shim it. The wheel axles are to far back from the LE too. The only way to do it is cut in the three spar system and rotate the gear and place the wheels in the deepest part of the wing. This can be done if the wing is all framed up. Cut them in from the bottom, well worth it, otherwise just go with it and don't try and get flush doors.
BTW 6" wheels are scale for this kit, 4.5 will look funny, to small.
TB
BTW 6" wheels are scale for this kit, 4.5 will look funny, to small.
TB
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08-15-2015, 04:21 PM
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In my expieriance (built three of theses kits) you can't get the gear in at the stock location. The gear doors won't close flush no mater how you shim it. The wheel axles are to far back from the LE too. The only way to do it is cut in the three spar system and rotate the gear and place the wheels in the deepest part of the wing. This can be done if the wing is all framed up. Cut them in from the bottom, well worth it, otherwise just go with it and don't try and get flush doors.
BTW 6" wheels are scale for this kit, 4.5 will look funny, to small.
TB
BTW 6" wheels are scale for this kit, 4.5 will look funny, to small.
TB
Ok I read your post 3 times and I pretty much have no idea what you are describing to make them fit flush, so I will probably just go with what I have. I went back and looked at Redbiscuits build thread and he seemed to be able to get them down a little farther in the well without changing up the mounting geometry http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/kit-...7-build-5.html (post 107) by adding an inboard shim. I'll keep fooling with it. If I can't get it totally flush I'm not gonna let it drive me crazy.
On another note, I wanted to ask you which 4 blade prop you ended up going with. I started this build because I wanted to have a plane that I could fly with a scale looking 4 blade Belia prop on it. I'll be running a dle 85 as well. It seems that the 22x10 isn't enough prop and the 24x10 is too much for the 85. Has anyone tried the 23x10 http://www.aircraftinternational.com.../Default.aspx? Seems like that might be the perfect prop for the 85cc motor? Can't find anyone that has actually flown with one. What's your advice on the 4 blade prop?
Thanks man!
Josh
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I am building the razor back version and am wondering if anyone knows the proper location of the landing light. I know that the D version has it mounted under the outboard wing but I can't find any pictures of the light on the razorback. Does anyone have a picture of it. Thanks.
