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#2801
The attached .pdf copied from "The Basics of R/C Model Aircraft Design" by Andy Lennon (ISBN: 0-911295-40-2), page 75, shows optimum landing gear geometry for both conventional and tricycle landing gear. As designed (according to the SIG drawings for the Mid-Star) the conventional gear main wheel is located 14 degrees forward of the balance point. This is the L/G location that was giving me ground handling trouble. When I moved the L/G forward an inch the angle came in at 20 degrees forward of the balance point. That change made all the difference, virtually eliminating the nose-over problem that plagued my earlier taxiing experiences.
When you taxi, do you apply full up elevator ? I see many pilots attempt to taxi their tail draggers without doing so.
Another reason may be a need for larger wheels. Large wheels, on turf, make it easier to taxi.
#2803
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Mt Mustang is like that. Really can be a PITA to taxi and takeoff when the gear is so far back. I finally got the angle right so that it is less nose tippy.
#2805
#2806
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Grumble Grumble Grumble!!!! Started working on the 4*60 with retracts, and while trying to cut out the plywood stiffeners for the landing gear mounts, my bandsaw blade broke. Since it is a Craftsman, finding blades has not been easy. Looks like Lowes has a few different ones, but not a 1/4" x 14tpi that I had on there.
Going to use mechanicals, and they fit well, only thing I haven't done yet is figured the mounting of the servo. Should go get one to make sure it fits. Also need to re-route the servo leads to behind the spar.
Going to use mechanicals, and they fit well, only thing I haven't done yet is figured the mounting of the servo. Should go get one to make sure it fits. Also need to re-route the servo leads to behind the spar.
#2807
You'll probably have an easier time getting new blades for your bandsaw than I have getting them for mine. 1948 Craftsman, takes 62" band. Only source I've ever found in this area is our local farmers co-op - they sometimes have the 1/8" or 1/4" blades, on rare occasions, both. No choice at all in TPI.
#2808
I gave up on my old 1940’s Craftsman bandsaw too hard to find blads for. So i got lucky and found a 12” jet at a garage sale. For 100 bucks.
Acdii have you thought about two servos for the retracts or is that just crazy. I have only set three with retracts. So i was just asking.
Acdii have you thought about two servos for the retracts or is that just crazy. I have only set three with retracts. So i was just asking.
#2809
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I have a 1930's Craftsman lathe for metal working, try finding anything for that!
Trying to keep weight down, or would have gone with Eflites, so single servo. Spectrum A7040 servo with programmable end points. I have a pair in my P-47 and they are great. If I have to mount it on top of the wing, I will since it will be hidden in the fuse anyway.
Trying to keep weight down, or would have gone with Eflites, so single servo. Spectrum A7040 servo with programmable end points. I have a pair in my P-47 and they are great. If I have to mount it on top of the wing, I will since it will be hidden in the fuse anyway.
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Acdc band saw blades
Heyrfella i live in st louis, mo i have no trouble getting band saw blades from sears.
How many inch diameter is your blade? Mine is a craftsman bench type.
Harbor freight has some band saw blades
some machine shops that do metal work on lathes & milling machines usually have a blade spot welder & could spot weld the blade for you. I have done this several times
you will have to readjust the tension on your saw.
When using the saw do not push it let the blade do the work.
That way you don't break the blade as often. When cutting long length watch to keep the work piece straight so the blade does not get twisted.
I know you know all this i just like to train folks
trainermaster80 good lick
How many inch diameter is your blade? Mine is a craftsman bench type.
Harbor freight has some band saw blades
some machine shops that do metal work on lathes & milling machines usually have a blade spot welder & could spot weld the blade for you. I have done this several times
you will have to readjust the tension on your saw.
When using the saw do not push it let the blade do the work.
That way you don't break the blade as often. When cutting long length watch to keep the work piece straight so the blade does not get twisted.
I know you know all this i just like to train folks
trainermaster80 good lick
#2811
Hey trainermaster80!!! Good seeing you - you haven't been around in what seems AGES!!.
#2813
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Heyrfella i live in st louis, mo i have no trouble getting band saw blades from sears.
How many inch diameter is your blade? Mine is a craftsman bench type.
Harbor freight has some band saw blades
some machine shops that do metal work on lathes & milling machines usually have a blade spot welder & could spot weld the blade for you. I have done this several times
you will have to readjust the tension on your saw.
When using the saw do not push it let the blade do the work.
That way you don't break the blade as often. When cutting long length watch to keep the work piece straight so the blade does not get twisted.
I know you know all this i just like to train folks
trainermaster80 good lick
How many inch diameter is your blade? Mine is a craftsman bench type.
Harbor freight has some band saw blades
some machine shops that do metal work on lathes & milling machines usually have a blade spot welder & could spot weld the blade for you. I have done this several times
you will have to readjust the tension on your saw.
When using the saw do not push it let the blade do the work.
That way you don't break the blade as often. When cutting long length watch to keep the work piece straight so the blade does not get twisted.
I know you know all this i just like to train folks
trainermaster80 good lick
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Skylark-flier
trainermaster80, yes i am still at it. Been busy and have been trying to finish my dynaflite super decathlon kit. Terrible kit.
However i am just about finished with the fuselage. The wing only needs the le & tips, the tail feathers are done.
I am plumbing all the gas tanks & smoke pump. & all the wiring.
Hopefully by this week end i can start covering it.
Other guys on rc universe have the same regard & problems with the kit as i have been having, however the end results of those who have compleated & flown this kie report that it is a very good flyer.
Looking forward to that. Never tried smoke before, if i am successfull at that that's just one more thing i can add to my 88 years or about 78 years of modeling.
what are you building & flying.
I plan to sell all my kraft transmitters and 4 of my 5 futabas. May buy a hitec flash with an optima receiver as recommended to me by the man on the hitec web site.
Wen to the heart dr. Today & he say's i am doing o.k . For 88.
Bought new glasses today too. Next is a new hearing aid.
thanks for caring. Oh! P.s. I just finished an article on lou andrews with with pictures & letters i received from him. Will put in the vrcs news letter & ama. Sent all the info i got from lou back to his daughter. I had been trying to locate her for 7 years. My daughter found her on face book.
Tha! Tha! That's all for now folks, ha! Ha! Tranermaster80 frankie.
trainermaster80, yes i am still at it. Been busy and have been trying to finish my dynaflite super decathlon kit. Terrible kit.
However i am just about finished with the fuselage. The wing only needs the le & tips, the tail feathers are done.
I am plumbing all the gas tanks & smoke pump. & all the wiring.
Hopefully by this week end i can start covering it.
Other guys on rc universe have the same regard & problems with the kit as i have been having, however the end results of those who have compleated & flown this kie report that it is a very good flyer.
Looking forward to that. Never tried smoke before, if i am successfull at that that's just one more thing i can add to my 88 years or about 78 years of modeling.
what are you building & flying.
I plan to sell all my kraft transmitters and 4 of my 5 futabas. May buy a hitec flash with an optima receiver as recommended to me by the man on the hitec web site.
Wen to the heart dr. Today & he say's i am doing o.k . For 88.
Bought new glasses today too. Next is a new hearing aid.
thanks for caring. Oh! P.s. I just finished an article on lou andrews with with pictures & letters i received from him. Will put in the vrcs news letter & ama. Sent all the info i got from lou back to his daughter. I had been trying to locate her for 7 years. My daughter found her on face book.
Tha! Tha! That's all for now folks, ha! Ha! Tranermaster80 frankie.
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If you have a SIG, be it a KIT or ARF, and love building and flying SIG, you are welcome to be a member of the SIG Brotherhood. Only requirement, own a SIG plane.
I will try to update this list every weekend, so if you wish to get a number, ask in a post by itself so it wont get missed. They will be added in order as posted. Other than than, please feel free to discuss everythign SIG related, and hope to see you at the SIG booth in Toledo this year! I am planning to go, so if you are too, there will bee a meet and great, time and date TBD.
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Welcome to all SIG fans.
I will try to update this list every weekend, so if you wish to get a number, ask in a post by itself so it wont get missed. They will be added in order as posted. Other than than, please feel free to discuss everythign SIG related, and hope to see you at the SIG booth in Toledo this year! I am planning to go, so if you are too, there will bee a meet and great, time and date TBD.
Official Member list, currently at 56 members as of 9:30 CST 2-1-14
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#8 foodstick
#9 UPF-7
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Welcome to all SIG fans.
#2816
442dave - good to see another brother checking in, and with a Kougar to boot. Good plane, no doubt about that. Gotcha all logged with #195. Welcome to the SIG Brotherhood!
And here's the listing, as I've got it today:
And here's the listing, as I've got it today:
1 - Hazel & Glenn Sigafoose
2 - Maxey Hester & the team
3 - acdii
4 - RCKen
5 - DGUY
6 - DBD1
7 - fix-n-fly
8 - foodstick
9 - UPF-7
10 - jeffie8696
11 - skyrat71
12 - Leroy Gardner
13 - CanDo
14 - JPMacG
15 - Thunder Chicken
16 - 5skyhawk172
17 - Cutlass 60
18 - Mr-Punk
19 - Sabreryder
20 - eastkurt
21 - FlyerInOKC
22 - rtn9105
23 - oliveDrab
24 - triumphman49
25 - ARUP
26 - willig10
27 - malitape
28 - OLDFLYER2
29 - justin80
30 - Jim Branaum
31 - crawler tech
32 - yel914
33 - ThunderBoat42
34 - sbd-3
35 - Thatsakitbuilt
36 - blw
37 - Mike Gretz
38 - Mako17
39 - Live Wire
40 - deanz406
41 - bchapman
42 - SrTelemaster150
43 - SushiHunter
44 - n8rloves2fly
45 - M_Callahan
46 - carlosponti
47 - xxwolfyxx
48 - landeck
49 - cherokeenut
50 - Mark Thomas
51 - rphiii
52 - n0kjf
53 - cymaz
54 - OldRookie
55 - gosch
56 - ThunderChicken72
57 - lfd47
58 - bikerbc
59 - badger5964
60 - N1EDM
61 - Hfrank
62 - Lowvoltage
63 - US185Damiani
64 - hsukaria
65 - lkruse
66 - Sgt. Meyer
67 - G-JIMG
68 - Hydro Junkie
69 - Twin_Flyer
70 - oldsterling
71 - J T Caldwell
72 - cloudancer03
73 - Super08
74 - Hab
75 - Smashmaster
76 - Rv7garage
77 - Neddy191
78 - JZHANDYMAN
79 - Pete Lane
80 - SIGPlanes
81 - rcmichael
82 - larryshobbies
83 - skyraider71
84 - Hawk570
85 - hogflyer
86 - cubcrasher
87 - chandler_ace
88 - Firewalkerd1
89 - Robin A
90 - GLGofLB
91 - On the Deck
92 - aircraftbuilder67
93 - FJRrider
94 - sdcranford
95 - AMA 74894
96 - W7APD Alan
97 - bobsrc
98 - kiwi4
99 - Flight Risk
100 - G.Barber
101 - I_Fly
102 - scaleforlife
103 - balsatermite
104 - 3136
105 - rc56
106 - R/C Addiction
107 - Fly North
108 - JFS737
109 - skylark-flier
110 - rdgettler
111 - allamericanflyer
112 - MartyPetriSr
113 - tribalturtle2
114 - Soboflyer
115 - jollyroger
116 - Captcrunch44
117 - 19wingwalker48
118 - tzlaser44
119 - larscato
120 - TomCrump
121 - guido
122 - RMeadows
123 - Old_RC_Guy
124 - TheComputerGeek
125 - hook57
126 - newbiedc
127 - PipeMajor
128 - RDJeff
129 - ABORH
130 - danpos
131 - mscic-RCU
132 - PSB
133 - aggieman
134 - Renegade
135 - bodybuildr
136 - SigSenior
138 - mike 71
139 - merto31
140 - thobin
141 - numb3rulz
142 - Gary in Fla
143 - VincentJ
144 - RICKSTUBBZ
145 - EJWash1
146 - BigTeeEldorado
147 - Aquila1954
148 - jwharkinz
149 - TCraft Lover
150 - Pork Chop
151 - drube
152 - trainermaster80
153 - samklem
154 - tkametz
155 - Vinnie6
156 - budof561
157 - RKRick
158 - leojzamboni
159 - sgtmonte
160 - smallrc
161 - daywalker
162 - angel asenjo
163 - Jeff Spicoli
164 - themutsnutz
165 - mvarzoni
166 - Big Stikflyer
167 - gutmark
168 - knuckleball
169 - capt. crunch jr.
170 - flygilmore
171 - Yasbush
172 - cardinalflyer
173 - bbrowncods
174 - pmoen70
175 - GSXR1000
176 - Comper
177 - stinsonsr9
178 - scale buff
179 - F4 Phantom blue angles
180 - OKC_Jim
181 - bigtj10
182 - Mrotar
183 - fcf
184 - ursharkfuel
185 - fredvon4
186 - Brendon.Gunnell
187 - JulianF25
188 - SailplaneJunkie
189 - GUS THE I.A.
190 - do335a
191 - Patrick R.
192 - sterbejj
193 - daniberry
194 - ETpilot
195 - 442dave
#2817
Skylark-flier
trainermaster80, yes i am still at it. Been busy and have been trying to finish my dynaflite super decathlon kit. Terrible kit.
However i am just about finished with the fuselage. The wing only needs the le & tips, the tail feathers are done.
I am plumbing all the gas tanks & smoke pump. & all the wiring.
Hopefully by this week end i can start covering it.
Other guys on rc universe have the same regard & problems with the kit as i have been having, however the end results of those who have compleated & flown this kie report that it is a very good flyer.
Looking forward to that. Never tried smoke before, if i am successfull at that that's just one more thing i can add to my 88 years or about 78 years of modeling.
what are you building & flying.
I plan to sell all my kraft transmitters and 4 of my 5 futabas. May buy a hitec flash with an optima receiver as recommended to me by the man on the hitec web site.
Wen to the heart dr. Today & he say's i am doing o.k . For 88.
Bought new glasses today too. Next is a new hearing aid.
thanks for caring. Oh! P.s. I just finished an article on lou andrews with with pictures & letters i received from him. Will put in the vrcs news letter & ama. Sent all the info i got from lou back to his daughter. I had been trying to locate her for 7 years. My daughter found her on face book.
Tha! Tha! That's all for now folks, ha! Ha! Tranermaster80 frankie.
trainermaster80, yes i am still at it. Been busy and have been trying to finish my dynaflite super decathlon kit. Terrible kit.
However i am just about finished with the fuselage. The wing only needs the le & tips, the tail feathers are done.
I am plumbing all the gas tanks & smoke pump. & all the wiring.
Hopefully by this week end i can start covering it.
Other guys on rc universe have the same regard & problems with the kit as i have been having, however the end results of those who have compleated & flown this kie report that it is a very good flyer.
Looking forward to that. Never tried smoke before, if i am successfull at that that's just one more thing i can add to my 88 years or about 78 years of modeling.
what are you building & flying.
I plan to sell all my kraft transmitters and 4 of my 5 futabas. May buy a hitec flash with an optima receiver as recommended to me by the man on the hitec web site.
Wen to the heart dr. Today & he say's i am doing o.k . For 88.
Bought new glasses today too. Next is a new hearing aid.
thanks for caring. Oh! P.s. I just finished an article on lou andrews with with pictures & letters i received from him. Will put in the vrcs news letter & ama. Sent all the info i got from lou back to his daughter. I had been trying to locate her for 7 years. My daughter found her on face book.
Tha! Tha! That's all for now folks, ha! Ha! Tranermaster80 frankie.
WOW! Lou Andrews is a legend in my world - definitely looking forward to seeing the article(s) in the VRCS news & AMA. Yeah, leave it to daughters to work all these newfangled gadgets and find what we need. I just call my granddaughter and she usually fixes me right up (well, most of the time anyway).
Y'need to check in more often, my friend. Take care.
#2818
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Well, not planning to do a build thread, since there are hundreds of them on the 4*, so just going to post the one modification I have planned. Retracts on a 60. Just need to epoxy the rails in, open the wheel area, and sheet. Going to wait until the other wing is built before sheeting, join them together so I can make the servo mount, then sheet them as one. Other than this, just a standard build.
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Just posted this on the Kadet thread. I just finished a big project this summer. Sig Kadet Senior in all its Koverall and dope glory. It's powered by a Saito FA-62. The only mod is taildragger conversion. It's had a gallon of fuel through it so far. It certainly stands out amongst all the ARF's.
Got an Astro Hog on the bench getting framed up.
Got an Astro Hog on the bench getting framed up.
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#2821
Chief Jay!! You never said you were retired USAF!!! Thanks for your many years of service, my brother.
#2823
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OH man we be slipping to page 2!!
I have the wing almost done on the retract SIG 4*60. Both panels are built with top sheeting in place, retract rails epoxied in, and only have one retract left to install, then join the halves together, and get the retract servo mount area cut out, platform installed to accept the servo tray, then I can complete the bottom sheeting. Started working on the fuse while the glue was setting, got the firewall drilled and ready for the mounts, got the throttle cable location drilled and ready, and both fuse sides laminated, so it can be fully assembled now.
I bought the mechanical to use in a Chipmunk build, but after looking at what it would take to modify the spar to use then, stuck them in a bin. They work perfect for this plane.
I have the wing almost done on the retract SIG 4*60. Both panels are built with top sheeting in place, retract rails epoxied in, and only have one retract left to install, then join the halves together, and get the retract servo mount area cut out, platform installed to accept the servo tray, then I can complete the bottom sheeting. Started working on the fuse while the glue was setting, got the firewall drilled and ready for the mounts, got the throttle cable location drilled and ready, and both fuse sides laminated, so it can be fully assembled now.
I bought the mechanical to use in a Chipmunk build, but after looking at what it would take to modify the spar to use then, stuck them in a bin. They work perfect for this plane.
#2824
Yeah, neither the SIG nor the Kadet b'hoods have been super-active lately - must be that most of us are either out flying or building/repairing and just too busy right now. I know that in my case it's a bit of both. I've gone through close to a dozen gallons of fuel this year, which is quite a bit above my normal amount. Of course, the Stratus, with her OS.61, doesn't take long to go through a gallon of fuel - not long at all with a 14-oz tank sucking it up.
Stratus #2 is coming along fairly decently too. Having built one, and learning all the things NOT to do, #2 is already a whole lot lighter. Things like hollowed out ribs, wing-tips with inner frames and balsa sheet instead of a carved block, lighter sides on the fuse - she's going to come out a fair bit below the original design weight, I think/hope. #1 started life 1.2 lbs above design weight and is now another half-pound or so above that, with all the repairs I've done to her. She certainly doesn't look anything close to as good as she first did, but she sure does tear up the sky. One thing I did, and it screws me up sometimes when I've got #1 out with other 4-channel planes, is to reverse the sticks/channels for ailerons & rudder. I put the rudder on the same stick as elevator and ailerons on the stick with the throttle - more like a 3-channel would be set-up. She was designed with rather small ailerons in the first place, most likely due to the type of radios back in 1965-66. #1 has an increased aileron size (double) but #2 is "as designed". #2 will also have the sticks reversed. I found, early on, that she (#1) really does perform VERY nicely with just rudder - the ailerons are kinda not much more than a "boost" to many maneuvers - main exception being rolls and knife-edge. #1 also will spin with just rudder-elevator, no aileron input at all. Adding the ailerons just make spins a bit tighter.
Hoping to have #2 in the air by around the new year, with any luck at all. Covering, like #1, will be koverall & dope but haven't decided on colors or pattern - probably will more closely match Maxey's original white overall, at least on top.
I've been following your 4*60 with retracts - super good work there. One day, I'll be just half as good at building as many/most of you guys are ... yeah, sure I will -- right.
Stratus #2 is coming along fairly decently too. Having built one, and learning all the things NOT to do, #2 is already a whole lot lighter. Things like hollowed out ribs, wing-tips with inner frames and balsa sheet instead of a carved block, lighter sides on the fuse - she's going to come out a fair bit below the original design weight, I think/hope. #1 started life 1.2 lbs above design weight and is now another half-pound or so above that, with all the repairs I've done to her. She certainly doesn't look anything close to as good as she first did, but she sure does tear up the sky. One thing I did, and it screws me up sometimes when I've got #1 out with other 4-channel planes, is to reverse the sticks/channels for ailerons & rudder. I put the rudder on the same stick as elevator and ailerons on the stick with the throttle - more like a 3-channel would be set-up. She was designed with rather small ailerons in the first place, most likely due to the type of radios back in 1965-66. #1 has an increased aileron size (double) but #2 is "as designed". #2 will also have the sticks reversed. I found, early on, that she (#1) really does perform VERY nicely with just rudder - the ailerons are kinda not much more than a "boost" to many maneuvers - main exception being rolls and knife-edge. #1 also will spin with just rudder-elevator, no aileron input at all. Adding the ailerons just make spins a bit tighter.
Hoping to have #2 in the air by around the new year, with any luck at all. Covering, like #1, will be koverall & dope but haven't decided on colors or pattern - probably will more closely match Maxey's original white overall, at least on top.
I've been following your 4*60 with retracts - super good work there. One day, I'll be just half as good at building as many/most of you guys are ... yeah, sure I will -- right.
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Many of us in the northern tier of states have been plagued with un flyable weather and have been doing the fall chores - raking leaves, fall garden work, winterizing the house, etc. Now that daylight time has ended and it gets too dark to fly after work, we start thinking about the building season projects. So it may be a little quiet for a while from the northern guys.