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Old 05-26-2014, 03:07 PM
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I know there is a vast wealth of knowledge from you guys on this thread so maybe you can help me. Does anyone know if there were any Pups that flew with the American 25th Aero Squadon? I'm trying to find some pictures or drawings if you know of any. I am getting ready to start building a 1/4 BUSA Pup and have the decals for the BUSA SE5. I'd like to use the roundels if there was a Pup that flew with these markings. Anyone know?

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Their first flight was the 10th November 1918, 1 day before the armistice, they were flying Se5' the Pup was drawn from the front line well before that.
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What we really, really need is a 1/4 scale Albatross

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Yeah I'd buy one for sure, 1/3 is too big for a lot of people.

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Old 05-27-2014, 10:35 AM
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Perhaps your Pup could be a training aircraft from that squadron? Just a thought.
I think the only company that kits a 1/4 scale Albi is Proctor. Nice kits, complex in the build, very scale. oh... don't forget $$$$$$$. But I have delt with Proctor many times and have no problems with their service at all.
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My DVII in it's final preparation for the Nats. 3D printed honeycomb radiator installed as well.

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Outstanding work there VG!!

I have the 1/4 D7 in the box and was planning all the bits I need to collect when I came across the 1/4 albi from proctor, they have in the accessories part the stensils to paint lozenge fabric in 4 or 5 col in 1/6,1/5,1/4.
http://www.proctor-enterprises.com/p...s/albatros.htm
Is anyone familiar with this? used before?

Where did your covering come from VG?
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Flying the SPAD in the rain at the Warbirds over Missouri meet last weekend.
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Outstanding work there VG!!

I have the 1/4 D7 in the box and was planning all the bits I need to collect when I came across the 1/4 albi from proctor, they have in the accessories part the stensils to paint lozenge fabric in 4 or 5 col in 1/6,1/5,1/4.
http://www.proctor-enterprises.com/p...s/albatros.htm
Is anyone familiar with this? used before?

Where did your covering come from VG?
Thanks, 3136.
I have painted losenge one time, long ago. I used the GTM fabric. I think he still sells it, and to be honest, if I had the money, I would buy enough of it to build 2 or 3 planes. Not sure how long it will be available. In my opinion, it is the best losenge option available. My airplane was covered over 7 years ago, and it ages very well.
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Flying the SPAD in the rain at the Warbirds over Missouri meet last weekend.
Nice! where are those gutless hun?
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Old 05-27-2014, 07:57 PM
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Here's my 1/3 FokkerDVII cowl. Used the material from there Albatros 1/3 kit replaced the screen.
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Thanks for the info 3136. You too jeffEE. May have to rethink the roundel thing.

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Old 05-27-2014, 08:44 PM
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VG am I correct in thinking the earlier versions had 5 col and the later models used the 4 col ?
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Please add me to your list. I am currently rigging a 1/3 Sopwith Pup.
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I think it was the other way around, but you would have to check for your specific aircraft. He sells both. The 5 color is more "Blueish" and the 4 is more "greenish".
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Old 05-28-2014, 09:41 AM
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VG.. that DVII looks like crap! oh wait...that's mine I am looking at. All kidding aside, it looks great! Knock em out of the sky at the Nats.
And the 4 color came first, but not for very long.
Oh by the way, I think Balsa USA is selling their 5 color Solartex. Its nice, but a bit see thru. And it saves a lot of time over painting.

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Old 05-28-2014, 12:03 PM
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I always thought it would be cool to do one of the first DVII's in streaked green with maltese crosses. Maybe the next one?
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Hello Vertical Grimmace

Do apprciate your efforts and know your enjoyment will last a long time.
Hope also that your efforts get their deserved recognition.
By the way, I do love the engine replication . . . is that a Mercedes or the BMW ? ?
And did you fab it yourself ? ? ? Or is it an available kit (hope, hope) ? ?


Good Luck
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Old 05-28-2014, 06:24 PM
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So I am finally back home and am able to post some photos of my project.
This model was purchased from Ebay partially built and I must say built quite well. The previous owner has gone for the stick fuse and more scale like tail feathers being fully operational but it was obvious he had come to a halt with some of the mechanics regarding how to work the tail feathers. Fortunately after some research and a lot of slow thinking, I think I have come up with some solutions that may work, time will tell.
Engine will be a DLE RA 20 cc which I will fit a Frank Bowman ring and give the reed valve area a bit of a clean up before running in.
Hitec servos with a pull pull arrangement for rudder and elevator. Normal linkage arrangement for ailerons.
I found a light weight aluminium pot on Ebay from china of course. That looks about right for the cowl, a lot more scale and a lot more room for the engine. Engine will have to be recessed about 40mm back, so a bit of balsa bashing there.
Planning on adding a bit more scale and practising the art of scale modelling with this one so will have to see how far I go. It will always be a BUSA model so no matter how much I do it will alwas be stand off but this should be fun
I promise some updates as the build progresses in its glacier way



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ashby, nice progress, your details edited @#62

astrofly1 we'd love to see some pics

FokkerD7 I like the look of your scheme, a tad easier to replicate than some, where I fly we have a tree lined hill in front of us so if you are down low you can loose a plane if it is too well cammo'd.

TXAG96 I would love to see that reduction drive you made, also I previously gave you #90, sorry for my typo there, you have #70

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Sorry, I don't have any very good pictures of the drive right now. The one on the Pup is using a Fuji 50 because that is what I had. It is turning the 32 x 18 prop at just over 3000 rpm. I am now working on a G38 belt reducer which is a better combination I think. I am using very similar drive ratios to the commercially available Toni Clark unit.

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Nice work TXAG96

Hey VG, I see you are competing with your DV11, can you run through the scale changes you went through?
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Ashby,
That pot looks right to me. When I built my Eindecker 90 I found a stock pot at old time pottery that fit pretty well. Unfortunately, it was stainless steel and a little heavy but gave mme the weight I needed up front to balnce the model.

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68goat I think your right, took a whole bunch of proportional measurements off of the 3 view and scaled them to the size of the fuselage. Will give the pot a bit of a sand then cut the cowl and ply bulkhead.
I have shifted the engine bulkhead back 45mm so this is going to make the engine fit the new shorter cowl (95mm) just fine. Presently soldering up the tail gear, bit of an exercise and still fiddling with the control horn locations etc for the tail feathers. I wonder how much the elevator needs to deflect to control the flight?
Nose weight is also something I will have to consider, I have used the aluminium hanger 9 engine stands so that adds some useful weight forward, will also be putting the throttle servo back of the engine bulkhead, then some detail added may mean less added lead forward. Such a long tail!
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That pot looks right to me. When I built my Eindecker 90 I found a stock pot at old time pottery that fit pretty well. Unfortunately, it was stainless steel and a little heavy but gave mme the weight I needed up front to balnce the model.

By the way nice model
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Nice work TXAG96

Hey VG, I see you are competing with your DV11, can you run through the scale changes you went through?
I did not make any outline changes. and it has done very well in that respect.

The major items otherwise, I completely scratch built the landing gear, mainly using a 1/4" axel. I use GTM fabric, I added a Proctor dummy engine. I used Proctor decals for the nomenclature, (which are not available now), I also added a GTM cockipt kit.
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Thanks Glenn. Where you decide to balance the a/c will influence effective elevator deflection. Less deflection is needed if cg is towards the rearmost recommended range. I had mine set up pretty much neutral and i think it flew scale-like with about 3/4" of throw. Good luck and be sure to post a picture when she is finished.

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