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Old 07-12-2019, 08:13 AM
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No kidding!
Old 09-18-2019, 08:06 PM
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I know there are many of you that have built and flown the BUSA 1/4 scale cub. My question is about fuel tanks. I'm planning on using a RCGF 26cc engine. I'm guessing I need about a 16-18 oz tank to get me close to a 15 minute flight. How close am I? What have you guys used in your cub?
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I forgot to ask in my last post. What size tygon fuel tubing do you use.
Thanks in advance.
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Jay, a 12 oz. Dubro square fuel tank is plenty large enough for a 26 cc engine. I have a 16 oz. tank in my 1/4 scale Cub (mounted crosswise behind the fire wall), I get 15 min. flying time on 8 to 10 oz. of fuel. The I use is 5/32 or 1/8" ID Tygon fuel line for gas engines and make sure you get a gas conversion stopper. These items can be found on Tower Hobbies web page. By mounting the tank crosswise, it can be completely hidden from the cockpit. The #2030 post on this page, is my Cub, Cub II is still flying.
Post some pictures of your Cub build, we all would like to see them.

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Old 09-19-2019, 07:41 AM
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Rich, thanks for your help. Gas engines must not drink the fuel like a nitro engine. In my small planes if the manufacturer recommended a 6 oz tank I always put in a 8 oz. That extra 2 oz would give me my 15 minute flights.
This will be my first large plane and gas engine. I might be picking your brain for info. You've built more than one BUSA cub, did you ever modify your wing mounting like Tom Crump did or just go through the door? I like what Tom did and I might incorporate that in my plane.
Thanks for the information.
Old 09-19-2019, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Stikflyer
Rich, thanks for your help. Gas engines must not drink the fuel like a nitro engine. In my small planes if the manufacturer recommended a 6 oz tank I always put in a 8 oz. That extra 2 oz would give me my 15 minute flights.
This will be my first large plane and gas engine. I might be picking your brain for info. You've built more than one BUSA cub, did you ever modify your wing mounting like Tom Crump did or just go through the door? I like what Tom did and I might incorporate that in my plane.
Thanks for the information.
You are coming in to that size of airplane where the gasoline engines start to pay off over glow fuel. The four strokes aren't so bad but when you get into the larger two stroke nitro engines they can be a bit thirsty. I run a 25 cc engine in my BUSA N-17 . It has a 16 oz tank but I only used about 16 oz total during two flights yesterday. With a Cub you will likely spend less time at full throttle than I do with the fighter plane although as the saying goes, your mileage may vary. As Rich points out, a 16 oz tank is more than enough.
Old 09-19-2019, 09:01 AM
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I will try to get some picture of my Cub. I did make several mods, mounting the wings was one of them.
I have to move my MGB and get it down maybe tonight

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Old 09-23-2019, 04:08 AM
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Guess I should add mine to the list , 1/3 Stearman Valach 250 radial . sorry nothing too exciting as it was the maiden flight , just checking the ground handling and the trim in the air . super nice flying aircraft .


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couple of pictures of the build
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There is a lot to be said for unexciting maiden flight!
Old 09-23-2019, 07:48 AM
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Beautiful airplane, thanks for sharing the video and pictures. Maybe you should be in the brotherhood, if you are not a member already.

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Old 09-23-2019, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mgnostic
You are coming in to that size of airplane where the gasoline engines start to pay off over glow fuel. The four strokes aren't so bad but when you get into the larger two stroke nitro engines they can be a bit thirsty. I run a 25 cc engine in my BUSA N-17 . It has a 16 oz tank but I only used about 16 oz total during two flights yesterday. With a Cub you will likely spend less time at full throttle than I do with the fighter plane although as the saying goes, your mileage may vary. As Rich points out, a 16 oz tank is more than enough.
I know this is comparing apples to oranges but in my 1/8 scale unlimited hydroplanes, I carry around 20 ounces of fuel for a marine .67 sized engine. That lasts me for a bit over 5 minutes. There are a couple of differences in how a marine .67 and aircraft .60-65 run:
1) My engine tops out at 28K, the aircraft engine maybe 12K
2) My engine runs 50% nitro, 18% lubricant and 32% alcohol fuel, unlike an standard aircraft engine that runs 5-10% nitro, 18% lubricant and 72-77% alcohol fuel.
3) My engine is driving a 2.36" prop, a comparable aircraft engine drives a 12-16" prop, the goal being to get a proper load on the engine and to prevent over-revving(or should I day detonating) the engine.
As I said, apples to oranges but, that being said, application will affect how much fuel you can carry and how long you can fly with that load of fuel. Just be glad you're not using a ducted fan engine as they go through fuel faster than my boat engines do.
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There is also a difference in the resistance when moving a prop through water then through water.
Old 09-23-2019, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
There is also a difference in the resistance when moving a prop through water then through water.
Agreed, but the principles are still the same. Fuel mixture and quantity, engine RPM and load will all affect how long a plane will fly.
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And the load turning in water would be greater.
Old 09-23-2019, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
And the load turning in water would be greater.
Which is why my boat has a prop that's only 2.36" from tip to tip.
Old 09-24-2019, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jwrich
Beautiful airplane, thanks for sharing the video and pictures. Maybe you should be in the brotherhood, if you are not a member already.

Rich
What is the balsa USA brotherhood ..
Old 09-24-2019, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
I know this is comparing apples to oranges but in my 1/8 scale unlimited hydroplanes, I carry around 20 ounces of fuel for a marine .67 sized engine. That lasts me for a bit over 5 minutes. There are a couple of differences in how a marine .67 and aircraft .60-65 run:
1) My engine tops out at 28K, the aircraft engine maybe 12K
2) My engine runs 50% nitro, 18% lubricant and 32% alcohol fuel, unlike an standard aircraft engine that runs 5-10% nitro, 18% lubricant and 72-77% alcohol fuel.
3) My engine is driving a 2.36" prop, a comparable aircraft engine drives a 12-16" prop, the goal being to get a proper load on the engine and to prevent over-revving(or should I day detonating) the engine.
As I said, apples to oranges but, that being said, application will affect how much fuel you can carry and how long you can fly with that load of fuel. Just be glad you're not using a ducted fan engine as they go through fuel faster than my boat engines do.
Hi HJ. Apples to oranges and maybe even a papaya. I gotta agree with you about ducted fans. They are the gas guzzlers of the modeling world. Even the electric fans, which seem more user friendly than fuel power, blow through their energy store faster than anything else. It's been over a decade since I saw a glow powered ducted fan anywhere other than Youtube or a swapmeet table.
As power goes you would obviously be aware of nitro is where it's at. You are probably far more experienced at getting racing levels of power out of an engine than I am. For ordinary flying it is more about matching matching up the right fuel to the right size of engine. This is a broad generalization but generally speaking methanol is generally friendlier to use in two strokes under one cubic inch. Once you start getting into bigger engines the much greater fuel consumption of glow engines starts to become an issue. Given the appropriate carb and tuning a 50cc engine will happily burn 15% nitro glow fuel but you end up blowing through $25 worth of fuel in a flying session. It's just my experience but it seems like after you get over about 20cc of displacement it is just more economical to get your power from displacement as opposed to hot fuel. I'm sure there are a of exceptions to this, certainly racing is one.
Are the converted Homelites still a thing in boat racing? It would be interesting to see the fuel consumption of a hopped up fuel burning Homelite versus the converted 25cc that I have pulling my Nieuport around.
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The Balsa USA Brotherhood is a group of modelers who have built and fly Balsa USA airplanes. You must have built, or owned a BUSA airplane, of any size. In post #2012 you will see a list of members from around the world. Canada is well represented. I maintain this forum page, if would like to become a member, just ask. Check out how the members are listed in #post 2012. If you look at many of the posts, you will see just about all of BUSA airplanes list, with pictures, videos, ideas of construction and mods made to the construction. Please try to keep on topic with Balsa USA information and planes. It helps me if you would list your membership number in your signature at the bottom of the post. Your recent post with the video and pictures of the 1/3 scale Stearman is what we like to see. Hope you become member, I am sure you can pass on a lot of valuable information for the Brotherhood.

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Originally Posted by jwrich
The Balsa USA Brotherhood is a group of modelers who have built and fly Balsa USA airplanes. You must have built, or owned a BUSA airplane, of any size. In post #2012 you will see a list of members from around the world. Canada is well represented. I maintain this forum page, if would like to become a member, just ask. Check out how the members are listed in #post 2012. If you look at many of the posts, you will see just about all of BUSA airplanes list, with pictures, videos, ideas of construction and mods made to the construction. Please try to keep on topic with Balsa USA information and planes. It helps me if you would list your membership number in your signature at the bottom of the post. Your recent post with the video and pictures of the 1/3 scale Stearman is what we like to see. Hope you become member, I am sure you can pass on a lot of valuable information for the Brotherhood.

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sorry been busy, sure add me to the list . Roger S ( RAMMJETT) I will edit my profile ..happy to answer any questions . cheers ..
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guessing I'm #162???
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Hi Roger, Welcome to the Hood. Your number will be #163, Welcome to the Brotherhood. I hope you share more pictures of your planes and building ideas. If you have questions just ask, someone in the hood can help you . If you do a construction thread on this forum or RCSB we would like to follow along.
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It would be helpful for me if all BUSA Brothers would post their BUSA Brotherhood number in their signature. If I have missed anyone please let me know.

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Hello, I have a 1/4 Bulsa USA Cub, and the original gear is broken. I'm looking to upgrade, looking for a Robart Balsa landing gear 690B. If you have one in good shape, please let me know.
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I don't have one but maybe if you ask on the Cub Brotherhood thread on the site. The Cub Man has a big following, all good guys. A am a member.

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A friend of mine just made the buy of a lifetime at a swap meet Saturday. A partially built Balsa USA Bristol M-1 kit with wheels and all the accessories for only $50. The workmanship of the previous owner was perfect.

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