Kit Built Kadet Senior Sport
04-17-2015, 03:10 PM
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I did intend to maden the Kadet, so I assembled her and performed a range check.
I took pics, too.
Notice that the ailerons are huge. This suits my flying style which is slow. The enlarged ailerons will permit control during slow flight.
I took pics, too.
Notice that the ailerons are huge. This suits my flying style which is slow. The enlarged ailerons will permit control during slow flight.
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04-17-2015, 06:29 PM
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Congrats to Ed & Tom for the maidens!! Well done guys!
Tom, that Sr looks GREAT! Should be a trip at super slow speeds.
Tom, that Sr looks GREAT! Should be a trip at super slow speeds.
04-19-2015, 07:09 PM
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I'm approaching retirement age and have been building flying airplanes since the '60s including 1/2a Sterling C/L kits and several Guillows models.. I LOVE stick built airplanes. IMO most large RC airplanes weigh far more than necessary. Once upon a time as an adult I worked at an FBO that taught aerobatics and realize that real airplanes and stick built models have much in common. I've restored a full scale Citabria and a Stearman and worked on many tube and fabric planes. Worked on a couple of airplanes that were flown at the IAC Worlds. Still, I prefer flying RC to getting in the airplane.
I really feel sorry for the masses today that only want to fly BARFs because they have no idea how it feels to create an aircraft with their own hands and fly it. The only construction as good as stick is home brew monocoque composite. Everything else is wannabe and inferior due to the weight gains and inferior strength to weight. Just my opinion. Kudos to those that see how good stick construction really is!
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04-19-2015, 08:34 PM
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I have been building model since 1958. My first was the Sterling Ring Master powered with a McCoy .35 glow engine. I've been building ever since. Of all the planes I own, only two are Barfs. Only because I got them at a ridicules low price. A few of my planes are over 40 years old.
I have gotten a couple of club members to try to build their first kits. Now they are hooked. All I hear from them is what a great time they are having building their latest plane.
It's really true, once you build your own plane, you become hooked on the building part. Second comes the thrill of flying what your two hand built.
What I hate to see are the "Build" posts when they are actually only assembling something that was "built" on an assembly line in China. They should change their post to " Assembly Thread".
Frank
I have gotten a couple of club members to try to build their first kits. Now they are hooked. All I hear from them is what a great time they are having building their latest plane.
It's really true, once you build your own plane, you become hooked on the building part. Second comes the thrill of flying what your two hand built.
What I hate to see are the "Build" posts when they are actually only assembling something that was "built" on an assembly line in China. They should change their post to " Assembly Thread".
Frank
04-20-2015, 01:14 AM
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i know what you mean. I hate when i hear guys at the field talking about " the kit there building". and when you perk up your ears and ask what kit just for them to reply " a Hanger 9 something or another. "One thing i like about the BARF age is that while everyone else flies the same few planes, we always show up with something completely unique. Im not totally against BARFs, If it werent for them, my club would be like 3 or 4 members instead of 150. And like Frank said, Ill even buy one now and again if its a crazy bargain. But i totally perfer to glue sticks together into the shape of an airplane.
04-20-2015, 04:55 AM
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He may have been referring to the fact that he would actually have to assemble a few pre built parts, and install the radio gear.
People want different things out of our hobby, I guess. There's nothiong wromg with that.
People want different things out of our hobby, I guess. There's nothiong wromg with that.
04-20-2015, 08:30 AM
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My oldest daughter is a Studio Artist (painter). She is an Associate Professor at a major art museum. Some of her artwork has been displayed in several studios, New York, Chicago, and Mexico included. Me? I botch the simplest paint-by-number portraits, which my daughter laughs at - naturally.
We all have our talents, and disciplines. If a guy want to just fly, so be it. Maybe, for some, assembling an ARF is a stretch of their talents. And, maybe some day, they'll say to themselves, "hey, if I can assemble this ARF, maybe I can tackle a box-o-lumber!" Who knows.
It's a hobby, so it should be all about the fun, right?
We all have our talents, and disciplines. If a guy want to just fly, so be it. Maybe, for some, assembling an ARF is a stretch of their talents. And, maybe some day, they'll say to themselves, "hey, if I can assemble this ARF, maybe I can tackle a box-o-lumber!" Who knows.
It's a hobby, so it should be all about the fun, right?
04-20-2015, 11:46 AM
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Speaking of ARFs, I think my Kadet Sport Arf is ready to maiden.
I bound and programmed the radio, today. I need to check balance, but other than that, she should be ready.
I bound and programmed the radio, today. I need to check balance, but other than that, she should be ready.
04-20-2015, 08:02 PM
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I have found that the guys that just like to fly, usually don't last long in the hobby. Once the challenge of flying a plane is satisfied, they lose interest and move on to something else. That is how I got my two barfs soooooo cheap. Both were new the box and a real steal. The guys just lost interest in the hobby and didn't care for them. So they practically gave them away. If you watch Craig's List in your area you will find more like them there. This is one of my designs. Designed for flying fast and stable but with a walking speed for landings.
Frank
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04-21-2015, 12:56 PM
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Senior maiden ed today 4/17/2015. Final RTF weight is a scooch under 7 pounds. Turnigy G-46, 420 KV motor, 4S 4000 mah LiPo for 10 minutes plus. I was concerned about those little 3" Golden Age wheels that I found in my junk box, but they were absolutely no problem. It exceeded all of my exportations. Thanks for all of your help here in this thread for making it happen.
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Wow...that's a beauty! Wouldn't think there would be any problem with those wheels...this plane comes in so nice and gentle!
04-21-2015, 01:03 PM
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My oldest daughter is a Studio Artist (painter). She is an Associate Professor at a major art museum. Some of her artwork has been displayed in several studios, New York, Chicago, and Mexico included. Me? I botch the simplest paint-by-number portraits, which my daughter laughs at - naturally.
We all have our talents, and disciplines. If a guy want to just fly, so be it. Maybe, for some, assembling an ARF is a stretch of their talents. And, maybe some day, they'll say to themselves, "hey, if I can assemble this ARF, maybe I can tackle a box-o-lumber!" Who knows.
It's a hobby, so it should be all about the fun, right?
We all have our talents, and disciplines. If a guy want to just fly, so be it. Maybe, for some, assembling an ARF is a stretch of their talents. And, maybe some day, they'll say to themselves, "hey, if I can assemble this ARF, maybe I can tackle a box-o-lumber!" Who knows.
It's a hobby, so it should be all about the fun, right?
04-21-2015, 07:29 PM
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As a guy who does both kit building, and ARF assembling I will try my best guess on some of this. I for one have never heard the term "builder's ARF" but maybe it applys to a "POS" low quality ARF that requires major modifications, revisions or reinforcement in order to complete and fly. When I buy and assemble an ARF I try to stay with one of the name brands, but even then sometimes some additional engineering and modifications are needed to have an acceptable finished model. Very rarely can I assemble any ARF with out doing a least a few small changes. The brand name ARF's are normally much better than the off brand ones, but not totally free of some misfitting parts and weaknesses. Actually the same can be said of kit builds. How many kits have you built that were done EXACTLY as the plans and instructions (if there were any) called for. Yes, it is much easier to make changes as you go along with a kit built plane than an ARF. With ARF's already covered you don't want to have to go inside and have to remove and then replace covering to fix or change something and that when someone with no real building skills hits a brick wall. A builder can do it but an "ARFer only" can't. If an ARFer puts enough models together over time he will learn how and where a little help (extra glue, parts fitment, reinforcement etc) is needed and some even get up the nerve and desire to try a kit build. As stated above, it's all good for the hobby. As for saying that "I built" this model, I do reserve that for kit built models being sure with ARFs to say "I assembled" or in some cases " I assembled and bashed" this model. To me there is a difference and I try to state it honestly.
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04-22-2015, 08:35 PM
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I think there is a big difference in the people that show up at the field with his $500.00 ARF and the guy that shows up with his scratch built Ugly Stik. I appreciate and admire the scratch built Ugly Stik alot more than the High dollar ARF.
The guy that spends time in building his plane earns more credit than the guy that just spends big bucks.
And that isn't ELITISM, that's RESPECT !!!
Frank
The guy that spends time in building his plane earns more credit than the guy that just spends big bucks.
And that isn't ELITISM, that's RESPECT !!!
Frank
04-22-2015, 09:04 PM
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I have found that the guys that just like to fly, usually don't last long in the hobby. Once the challenge of flying a plane is satisfied, they lose interest and move on to something else. That is how I got my two barfs soooooo cheap. Both were new the box and a real steal. The guys just lost interest in the hobby and didn't care for them. So they practically gave them away. If you watch Craig's List in your area you will find more like them there. This is one of my designs. Designed for flying fast and stable but with a walking speed for landings.
Frank
Frank