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Old 01-24-2015, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by acerc
Here, not pretty but you get the idea. ...
I have used the pulley servo "arm" myself. However, to maintain the effectively linear motion of the cable off of the pulley to the controlled surface, I have used a similar pulley there also. The angular change of the controlled arm as shown changes the effective distance between the two elements and causes a slack or tight cable condition.

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Originally Posted by spaceworm
I have used the pulley servo "arm" myself. However, to maintain the effectively linear motion of the cable off of the pulley to the controlled surface, I have used a similar pulley there also. The angular change of the controlled arm as shown changes the effective distance between the two elements and causes a slack or tight cable condition.

Best regards, Richard
The slack and or tightness can be alleviated by using the same moment geometry.
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Old 01-24-2015, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by acerc
The slack and or tightness can be alleviated by using the same moment geometry.
Only with two pulleys of the same diameter or two arms with attachments at equal distances will you have parallel cables or rods, and proper geometry. Lay it out to see for yourself.

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I am guilty of not absorbing all that has been stated! On a cub don't you want aileron differential? I know you can do it with the radio as I have a diferential mix built into my radio and used it on my cub, but if you could do it with the linkage way not. So having the geometry not being equal as long as you have it in the corect direction wouldn't that be desired. I forget if it is more up and less down but something like that right?


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Old 01-25-2015, 04:49 AM
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T/B
you are right more up than down and from memory the differential is 25/30 percent on all clark Y type airfoils.

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So glad your feeling better Leroy. I see even the pox of shingles couldn't keep you out of the shop.
Being sick and building is a drag. But if you can build. Being sick and building beats just being sick.
The wing and ailerons look very nice. Anxious to see your attention to detail hanging and working.

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Leroy it is nice to see someone building scale hinge lines. It really only takes imagination, patients, and time, but not really more in context of a scale build. It always amazes me to see beautifully finished planes and the hidiouse push rod and control horn on a beveled control surface, lazy in my opinion


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Originally Posted by Leroy Gardner
This geometry I under stand, I have laid out every wrong way over the years just to see what happens, also learned a few things working on cable systems on EAA airplanes, there's nothing hard about it.
I don't question your experience or build quality. However, a simple graphic layout, of which I am sure you have done may times, will prove that the use of a circumferential cable pulley system cannot be used in conjunction with a simple servo arm and maintain proper geometry. Do the math. I am done and done with this. I am also done with this thread and this bunch of self-centered egoists that will only accept ides from their "fraternity brothers" and exclude other valid ideas. And, you question where all the builders are? They are out here, just tired of you.

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Originally Posted by spaceworm
I don't question your experience or build quality. However, a simple graphic layout, of which I am sure you have done may times, will prove that the use of a circumferential cable pulley system cannot be used in conjunction with a simple servo arm and maintain proper geometry. Do the math. I am done and done with this. I am also done with this thread and this bunch of self-centered egoists that will only accept ides from their "fraternity brothers" and exclude other valid ideas. And, you question where all the builders are? They are out here, just tired of you.

Over and OUT!
It would seem the only ego getting hurt would be yours. None of us are stating ours is the only way, but rather a discussion of every way. Each poster has his views and every viewer can draw from those differences. Now, as for the differential, on the Cub it is designed in by way of the control horn lengths top and bottom from center of the pivot point. So one "can" obtain correct geometry without any differential in/on/or/ attached to, the servo. What I have been discussing is a method of reducing the throw with minimal component's while maintaining or even increasing a scale appearance. But , if you can't handle civil discourse then be gone with you.
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Originally Posted by spaceworm
I don't question your experience or build quality. However, a simple graphic layout, of which I am sure you have done may times, will prove that the use of a circumferential cable pulley system cannot be used in conjunction with a simple servo arm and maintain proper geometry. Do the math. I am done and done with this. I am also done with this thread and this bunch of self-centered egoists that will only accept ides from their "fraternity brothers" and exclude other valid ideas. And, you question where all the builders are? They are out here, just tired of you.

Over and OUT!
Well, talk about self centered and egotistical! And a 'TOUCH HOLE'! Modeling didn't teach him any patience, modesty or humility, did it? Well, I guess that is one way to clear out the riff raff! aye? Leroy, and the rest of us, quit being such self-centered and egotistical..................what ever he said! hehehehehehe! What a moron, aye? I'll bet he's fun at a party!
Fair to say, he doesn't deserve any more of our time or efforts. I have probably said more than enough!
So, Carry on buddy. You are doing just fine!

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Originally Posted by spaceworm
I don't question your experience or build quality. However, a simple graphic layout, of which I am sure you have done may times, will prove that the use of a circumferential cable pulley system cannot be used in conjunction with a simple servo arm and maintain proper geometry. Do the math. I am done and done with this. I am also done with this thread and this bunch of self-centered egoists that will only accept ides from their "fraternity brothers" and exclude other valid ideas. And, you question where all the builders are? They are out here, just tired of you.

Over and OUT!
Well, talk about self centered and egotistical! And a 'TOUCH HOLE'! Modeling didn't teach him any patience, modesty or humility, did it? Well, I guess that is one way to clear out the riff raff! aye? Leroy, and the rest of us, quit being such self-centered and egotistical..................what ever he said! hehehehehehe! What a moron, aye? I'll bet he's fun at a party!
Fair to say, he doesn't deserve any more of our time or efforts. I have probably said more than enough!
So, Carry on buddy. You are doing just fine!

Da Bird....

Just one more thing BUD, not all, but a lot of 'builders' as you put it, are here! You evidently aren't one because you aren't here...........anymore!
Don't poke me in the eye buddy, I'll spread you out like a pic-nic lunch! Now, go away before you say something STUPID...........STUPID!
Sorry guys, he just pushed my button!
They say duct tape won't fix stupid, but, it sure muffles the sound!
My apologies to you Leroy and to cubman and the rest of the group for displaying my intolerance for insolent people. Can you imagine if everyone thought like him? Whew! He darn sure wouldn't like them either! A butt hole never likes another butt hole! No one likes a mirror reflection of themselves!

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Hay Guys

This OLD F#$T is just watching and learning and saving every thing I might be able to use, even though I have been building sense I was 6, so just keep posting those ideas.

Leroy I really like the way you are going at this bash, the way my repairs are going I will not get to my cub till next winter.

Cheers Bob T
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Just keep up the good work Leroy, and enjoy the thread, it is yours after all!
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If I remember correctly I never got Chickenpox so I wonder if that means I'll dodge the Shingles bullet?

I love the discussion on cable systems for ailerons, very interesting reading.
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http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/154912.php

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Can I get a dose of wing please?
Thanks.

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