BBailey711

Sorry Joe,
I can not be of help as I bought all my adhesives years ago and never had any issues. You may be right and, I don't know who the 2 manufactures are, but they definitely need to be contacted ... There's normally not enough room in a modeler's garage or building, let alone put a refrigerator.

BBailey

rgburrill

Bingo. You assemble an ARF, you build a kit. But don't tell the jet guys that.

tailskid

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Just used some Pacer Smooth and Easy that I haven't used since 2004 and the darn stuff still works!

acdii

Used some 5 YO Z-Poxy 30 minute stuff to glue the stab and fin on a *GULP* arf. Yeah, not a real built plane, but its a SIG. My other plane is still being worked on, SIG Biper Cub. Have many many hours left before it will fly. I saw the Somethin Extra and just had to have it, though I could have bought a kit and done that, but that takes too long. Have an itch to fly it this year

Steve S. Helland

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I have taught many folks young and old how to build, cover and finish model airplanes...none of them stuck around into it. One must have a very certain passion for it. This is an art form that not many of us do anymore.

Duncman

Several years ago my son and I went on a bit of a road trip up in the Portland, Ore. area, we went through McMinneville and just on the outskirts of town Evergreen Aviation has one of the most beautiful Aviation Museums outside of the Smithsonian A & P that I have seen. It is huge and has not only outside displays but several large buildings and one of which has Howard Hugh's H1 Hercules (Spruce Goose) on display, can't miss it from the road as there on top of one of the buildings is a 747 mounted and used as a water-slide, all this in a pine forest setting and manicured lawns. The point of this is that the museum celebrates all forms of aviation including modeling, in the rear of the property is a very nice RC Park with a grass runway and inside one of the buildings next to the SR-71 the museum has reserved what is approximately a 2,000 square foot build shop that the local modelers have set up their own work stations, it is very well equipped with community power tools like drill presses, table saws, etc. and there are many models in various states of construction, the build shop I belong to reminds me a lot of this one minus all the really cool full size stuff. I'm here to say that building, not arfing, is alive and well in McMinneville, Ore. and Redding, Calif., may it only grow.

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most flyers are lazy now just arfs>>why cry over what is built and notit does not take me ove one month to build any model

AERORICH73

HI FELLOWS: JUST GOT AROUND TO LOGGING INTO THE FORUM. WHILE WORKING FOR HORIZON AIRLINES, I JUST KEPT UP PURCHASING KITS BEFORE THE STOCKS RAN OUT. RETIRING IN 2000, MY SUPPLY OF KITS, ENGINES, AND EQUIPMENT. WATCHING THE HOBBY GO SIDEWAYS INTO A BLACK HOLE, BROUGHT OUT THE BRIGHT LIGHT OF SCRATCH BUILDING FROM PLANS. MY FIRST ONE WAS RANDY RANDOLPH'S "BEE-TWEEN" 1/2A MODEL. IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE HIGHSCHOOL WHEN FLYING THESE SMALL MODELS ON WIRES. I CAN SAY CUTTING OUT ALL OF THE PARTS TO FORM A KIT WAS REALLY A SATIFYING EXPERIENCE ALONG WITH COVERING THE WING WITH POLYSPAN MATERIAL SPRAYED YELLOW. WE ALL KNOW THAT BABIES TAKE SOME 9 MONTHS TO ARRIVE IN OUR ARMS, AND GIVES US A GREAT PRIDE IN WATCHING ONE GROW UP. THIS IS SOMEWHAT LIKE US BUILDING A MODEL FROM MATERIALS, AND SEE IT GROW INTO A LOVELY SHAPE CAPABLE OF FLYING UNDER OUR INPUTS. THE FACTORY CONSTRUCTED MODELS DO NOT IMPART THIS SORT OF FEELING TO ME AT ALL. YES, I PURCHASED SOME ARF'S WHEN BIDDING ON E-BAY. THE ONES I ASSEMBLED TOOK MORE TIME IN SOLVING INSTALLATION PROBLEMS FOR SERVO LOCATIONS AS WELL AS FOR BATTERY AND RECEIVER BUILDING FROM KITS CAN ALSO BRING OUT SOME, BUT AT LEAST YOU CAN CORRECT THEM BEFORE THE MISTAKE IS GLUED IN.

THERE ARE PLANS SERVICES TO FIND MODELS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BUILD; SO TAKE SOME TIME TO SEARCH. I JUST RECEIVED A COUPLE OF ORDERED PLANS FROM THE AMA. UNFORTUNATELY, ONE MODEL SUGGESTS I CARVE OUT A FOAM WING FROM A BLOCK OF BLUE STUFF. NOW, I HAVE TO TAKE THE WING INFO, AND DRAW UP A CONSTRUCTION FOR BUILDING A WOODEN ONE. SO HERE IS ANOTHER SCRATCH BUILDING PROJECT TO LOOK FORWARD TO.

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049flyer

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Aerorich-

I enjoyed your post but unfortunately it was displayed on my Ipad as all CAPS which normally translates into shouting on these forums. Maybe my Ipad is messed up or your CAPS LOCK was stuck.

Would also be easier to read if you broke it up into paragraphs for us.

Glad to meet a fellow builder!

BBailey711

Don't let anything stop you ... GO FLYING! I have 2 ARFs in my crowd of aeroplanes, one 15 yrs old and has never been flown ... BUT ... they are there if I have other problems like Radio, Engine, or if I ReKit some of my flyers. Even though my love is Scratch Built Scale, I'll fly and ARF before I sit inside. Nothing wrong with them, just a factory built them. And I find myself with a new love, "Parkflyers" or Foam Planes. What a concept! I have to learn all the jargon and how to do it first.

BBailey

FlyWheel

ARF/RTF brought an end to the need for any building skills.

Gyros and crash prevention software brought an end to the need for any flying skills.

So the uninitiated are finally right; they really are just "toy airplanes" now...

Duncman

Boy did you hit the nail on the head.

rick hamel

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Took the words from my mouth

Flyboywbl

Just finished a good old Hog Bipe kit Saturday. 106.75 hours total. Lots of fun to build but even more fun to fly!

acdii

I flew with a tri axis once.......once. Ripped it out of the plane that night. Felt unnatural for the plane to right itself and straighten out. Gyros and flight correction do not a pilot make. There are builders/flyers, and there are the park weenies. The park things are great to start out on, but to really enjoy this hobby, building your own plane from a box of sticks, and then taking off and flying it is the bigger thrill!

Tom Nied

Flyboywbl, that Hog Bipe is awesome. Have fun

tomgreen

I am building a 1/5 scale Cessna Bird Dog from RCM plan, # 1189, It's coming along well and will be powered by an OS 70 FS 4 stroke. Should be ready to fly by Oct. The weather will be cooler out here in Az.

Hydro Junkie

Is it time to brag about projects yet? If so, can I join the party? At this time, I have the following builds going on:
Modified Sig Kadet Jr
1/8 scale 1973 Pay'N Pak unlimited hydroplane
1/8 scale 1985 Miss Executone unlimited hydroplane
1/8 scale 2000 Miss Elam Plus unlimited hydroplane
1/8 scale 2009 Oh Boy! Oberto unlimited hydroplane
and four Dumas hydroplane kit builds
Does this make me a builder or just flat out insane?

Tom Nied

Probably insanity, I've got it too. I'm so bad that I've justified buying new planes/kits/arfs thinking it would jump start my building. I've put the kabash on buying anything new to get some control of this. So I'd guess you're pretty much like the rest of us.

HoundDog

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The Apprentice has brought more people into this hobby than any other plane in recent years.
Example our club has about 6 or 7 new members this year. One young lady (young because she is 20 years my junior and I'm 72)
She refuses to TO in anything but Beginner mode and won't fly with out it in Intermediate mode. But U know what She's having fun. That's what's it's all about. ( her previous hobby was racing full scale Hydro Plane boats).A Couple others are old geezers (cause they are older than me. They will never break the proverbial Cord, but who cares they will never build a plane but they are having fun (I think). Then there the 3 young men that in a matter of a couple of week ends have outgrown the Apprentice at least for it's Stabilization. They were flying them in 12 to 18 MPH cross winds that ground most of us. Why because they didn't know they couldn't.
Again it about having fun and if building is your fun so be it. Please don't look down from your high and mighty because some one can't/doesn't build what they fly. Over the years the lack of pre-built models has discouraged more people from continuing in this hobby. They spent hundreds of hours building their first ever master piece and they come out and are told first they can't fly it here because they don't belong to the AMA or the club. Then some old Geezer (Builder)comes over and proceeds to rip on these people about how they have built a peice of crap.
I didn't mean to get on my soap box, But the hobby has many different facets and building is just one of them. Personally I hate building, Mainly because I'm not very good at it. If I could put it on a BridgePort and mill it and screw and dowel it well then maybe. I purchased USED. 2 Reasons It's less expensive by half, and I'm not as attached to them when the crash. So sorry if I stepped on any toes. Just realize there so many facits to this hobby and not every one cares for them all. It's all about what spins your won wheels.
Now I'm going out to the field and have fun flying. I Hope. Happy Landings to ya.

Duncman

This thread is to celebrate and encourage those who wish to kit/scratch build any model, primarily airplanes but boats seem to get accepted here as well and fly/sail same in traditional ungyroed/unstabilized manner relying on building straight, square and true models and honing our skills to enhance our fun factor, nothing more than just that. This is old school for sure, but some part of modeling that some of us old timers wish to see preserved. If we seem to look down or on a high horse on those that go to the hobby shop and buy an apprentice and fly around in 20 mph winds all day while we supposedly don't fly(not really true) then maybe that is because we really feel we are a notch over them and that is as it should be, the beginner's are given an example to hopefully aspire to, and that is nothing but healthy. The last couple of years I have seen several of those Apprentice pilots show up at the field and ogle someones scratch/kit built model and the next thing you know they are buying a bunch of balsa or a kit and off to work they go, yaaaa, modeling wins.Personally I think as you, that products like the Apprentice bring more folks into the RC community, unlike you I feel these same folks that stay at that level are maybe having fun, but are not really getting the most out of what modeling has to offer and not growing, and yes they are playing with toys. Just my humble opinion

Duncman

oh, and the guy that nit picks a model that a newbie built is not trying to discourage the guy/gal but rather to prevent an unsafe aircraft from endangering folks as well as preserving the newbies investment.

cloudancer03

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here i am.i love working with balsa wood and building planes.there are builders around maybe not a lot but i can still find kit makers .and i can build from a set of good plans depending on the plane i choose,older patterns are really flying boxes as far as construction.and ww1 planes are fairly simple strightfoward construction.there are a number of short kits available where the more difficult pieces are already cut.u just buy the planking and accesories.yes myself and many others still build,i find it totally theraputic and when it maidens i still get nervous and excited as i did 35 years ago.

cublover

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looks like tons of us are still around...lol

HoundDog

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