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Old 03-05-2019, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Truckracer View Post
Agree 100% with one addition. Many mature adults (read that 50+) are just as addicted to social media as the young people.

Another story and it relates to building though maybe not models. For the last couple of summers and for at least one more season to go, I have been rebuilding / remodeling and adding on to a family cabin in northern MN. The main part of the cabin was built in 1924 and added onto in 1956. Well back in the woods all previous work was done by hand powered tools as there was no nearby electricity. Though I have modern conveniences and tools today I'm trying to maintain the integrity and spirit of the old construction by using the same types of materials, construction methods, appearances, etc. In short, it remains a cabin and is not a house. These days I've acquired a nearby neighbor, he's in his 50's and is quite well off financially. Overall, he and his family are very nice people. In no way, shape or form can he even start to understand why I would put all that work into an old cabin! In his mind it is just a tear down property then you call a contractor to build a new one. In contrast, I want to preserve the memories and spirit of my pioneering relatives who built the place by their own hands. All of that would be gone if the structure went away.

This represents much of why building model airplanes is so out of favor among some people today. Many people just don't understand that creating something with your own hands imparts a sort of spirit and sole in the finished product that you just don't get otherwise. This is something you just can't buy! Yes I own ARFs but I still build some too though it is considerably more expensive to build something than to buy a similar ARF. I have several older planes I just keep around for their memories. Some are over 40 years old but they are treasures to me because I built them. No ARF will ever create that feeling of accomplishment that one gets from creating something from a pile of wood or parts. In the past most of the manufacturers in our hobby were also modelers who imparted a bit of that same spirit in their products. When we bought an engine, radio or whatever, it came with that pride and spirit that another modeler imparted into it. Many of us knew those people and considered them friends. Even if we didn't know them we often knew their story. When I buy an ARF, radio or engine today I get none of that as I don't know anyone in China.

Until people once again start to appreciate hand crafting and independence and that not all things in life are "social" I doubt we'll see much grown of our hobby. Building isn't a very social activity. Some of my grandkids can't understand what a workshop is. I've even been asked what tools are for and this was from teenagers! I just hope we can maintain what we still have! Sorry for carrying on ...... just too many things make me wonder where we as a society are headed.

DING DING DING We have a winner!!! Your hammer struck true! This is exactly the cause of the downfall. Throw away society! When I look at an old ornate building, with hand carve trim, sculpted plaster ceilings, carved stone fascia, I think back, that was all done by hand, and very few people now have that skill. I built furniture back in the 90's, wanted to make a business of it, but the work is not appreciated enough to be able to sell at a profit, let alone break even. I built an 8 foot tall Armoire out of Walnut, with hand carved ball and claw legs, raised panels on sides back doors, and dove tailed drawers using exotic woods, inset drawer pulls, carved goose neck trims, and turned spires. It took me nearly a year to build, and I should have been able to sell it at $8K, and was lucky to get $6K out of it.

True also on the old farts on SM, but at least with this SM of this Forum, we come here to learn, chat, etc. and give each other crap about things, but in a good manner. I hate facebarf, but makes a good place to stage pics to share.
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Old 03-05-2019, 01:19 PM
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I guess you could say we'll quit building when the pry the Xacto knife from our cold dead fingers and nail the box shut. And they better put some extra nails in to keep us from coming back to the workbench!
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Old 03-05-2019, 01:24 PM
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One thing I still enjoy about the various internet forums compared to FB and other social media is the general attitude difference. Here, we can express different ideas and methods to achieve a goal or end product. I think most of us understand that there are often different ways to achieve the same end and we learn from different opinions. On social media such as FB, if you don't express the currently accepted opinion of the moment about a subject, you can face ridicule or worse. People today don't seem to understand that it is OK to express different ideas and opinions. Certain groups tell you it is OK and even encouraged but then condemn you for expressing a viewpoint that is contrary to theirs. So its good to express any idea as long as its their idea. Such is the way that dumbing down of our society goes.

I use to enjoy the various model shows where you could go and talk to the builders of the models on display. You could learn so much how they did things and whether their methods fit in with your methods. The same for going to pylon and pattern contests in years past. So much to be learned! Some of this still exists in the forums though even here, posts are getting fewer and fewer all the time.

What am I working on this winter? Mostly (2) bathroom updates at home but model projects include getting an old Andrews Sportmaster, Bridi T-6 and Bruce Tharp Venture ready to fly again after sitting a few years. Several gas planes need checking over but they don't require much maintenance. I watch Ebay and the various forum classifieds regularly for old desirable kits but dang, they are getting harder to find and the really desirable ones are EXPENSIVE! Even desirable glo engines are starting to bring more $$ than they did a few years back. Somebody out there is building or at least, collecting.

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Old 03-05-2019, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC View Post
I guess you could say we'll quit building when the pry the Xacto knife from our cold dead fingers and nail the box shut. And they better put some extra nails in to keep us from coming back to the workbench!
Prop me up beside the workbench when I die. Lord I want to go to heaven, but not until I fly, fill my workshoes up with sand, put some balsa in my hand, prop me up beside the workbench when I die!

I have a few kits, one from National Balsa for a P-61 and one I have been searching for, a Liberty Sport from SIG. My problem is I lost my enthusiasm for building lately, with how the AMA screwed up and how the government is stepping all over our hobby making us criminals if we don't follow along, it took away my want to fly. That and members at my club have passed, and no new members have joined. Last time I was out, there were 2 guys who show, and half the time, no one is out. I used to fly at my friends house, but his flying field got cut in half by the local gravel company, so now he doesn't fly anymore either. He doesn't support AMA (don't blame him) since he flew at his house and didn't need it, so he won't fly where I fly, and we used to have a blast chasing each other around the sky. I still make fun of the time he flew his Cub through a tree. He rebuilt it, but never flew it.
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Old 03-05-2019, 02:17 PM
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I still enjoy building very much but don't as much as I once did. Mostly because I moved and retired (events not related) a few years back and no longer have access to a full mechanical shop or a place where I can paint easily. When I paint now I use a pop up paint booth set up in the back yard. Not overly convenient so just the effort limits what and when I can paint. Lack of a mechanical shop limits my engine and metal fabrication to what I can do with simple tools. It sucks when you have the ability but not the facilities to do things. As long as I have a toaster oven, freezer and small press I can still do most engine work though!

My main limitation on my building is simply the cost! Just collecting all the parts, pieces and materials for a build project costs a fortune these days. ARF alternatives are very attractive alternative in many cases when only cost is considered. I've had build projects where just the cost of paint, covering and other finish materials cost as much as a similar ARF.

I fly mostly at a friends field but civilization is getting closer so I see the old handwriting on the wall .... that site's time is limited. I hope progress holds off enough years that I will no longer care or I reach room temperature. Overall I have a good attitude about the hobby and try not to worry about the things I have no power to change.
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Old 03-05-2019, 04:44 PM
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Hello dirtdart,
Whew . . . sure took quite a while to read all of today's post on this forum. All I can contribute is we all are the forerunners of our society we see today. Kind of mirrors ACDC's comments.

Been seeing so much of the 3D printing stuff it boggles the mind (my mind anyway . . . LOL). Been wanting a replica of the antique Mercedes Dlll airplane engine to use with a BUSA Taube 90 kit. And the 3D "stuff" seems to be IT. This non-tekky old school guy did some internet looking and did get boggled for sure. Even bought a 1\48 scale plastic kit on line.

Is this something you might become interested in tinkering with ? ? ? BUSA has the 1\3 scale top portion kit, but their Taube 90 kit, looks to be about 1\7 scale in size.

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Old 03-06-2019, 02:01 PM
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Truck, I need to get you building some scale electrics, then you can do nice paint jobs with a sponge and water based paints. Also there are some real good ways to save cash on covering ... we get you to swing over to the dark side (WW1 1/4 scales !!!)
Do you realize between 1/4 and 1/3 scale planes there are over 20 WW1 planes in the club?
I know of several still un-flown due to recent completion..
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Old 03-06-2019, 03:15 PM
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I've got a Top-Flite Gold Edition F4U Corsair that I just recently crashed and most of the plane survived but the wing,it was destroyed.Top-Flite is no more and Horizon Hobby(who bought Top-Flite)only has the wing kit for the giant scale version.I've got some of the parts to rebuild the wing but I need the pre-cut balsa and wood pieces laser cut,I tried to contact some laser cutting companies but nobody replied to me.I've got the instruction manual and a copy of the wing plans for laser cutting to be put on CAD files.I found the exact kit on ebay that's never been built but I can't afford it(I couldn't barely afford it the first time)they want $350 plus $16 shipping.I'm in a wheelchair from Rhuematoid Arthritis and on a fixed income from social security and by the time I pay my rent,get food,pay bills and get my medications there's not a lot leftover for me.I tried some of the links on this website but a lot of the kit cutters are no longer in business.I'm hoping someone on here can point me in the right direction so I can get the parts cut and start the wing rebuild.Thanks for anyone who can help me,I really appreciate it.
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Old 03-06-2019, 06:27 PM
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i have a bunch of kits trying to unload as I am pretty much out of the hobby!!!
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Old 03-06-2019, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 71iknowaguy View Post
i have a bunch of kits trying to unload as I am pretty much out of the hobby!!!
Have you listed them in the sales forum with prices? You might find that they go quickly, depending on what they are. Heck, I might even want one or two
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Old 03-07-2019, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by dreddbatfan View Post
I've got a Top-Flite Gold Edition F4U Corsair that I just recently crashed and most of the plane survived but the wing,it was destroyed.Top-Flite is no more and Horizon Hobby(who bought Top-Flite)only has the wing kit for the giant scale version.I've got some of the parts to rebuild the wing but I need the pre-cut balsa and wood pieces laser cut,I tried to contact some laser cutting companies but nobody replied to me.I've got the instruction manual and a copy of the wing plans for laser cutting to be put on CAD files.I found the exact kit on ebay that's never been built but I can't afford it(I couldn't barely afford it the first time)they want $350 plus $16 shipping.I'm in a wheelchair from Rhuematoid Arthritis and on a fixed income from social security and by the time I pay my rent,get food,pay bills and get my medications there's not a lot leftover for me.I tried some of the links on this website but a lot of the kit cutters are no longer in business.I'm hoping someone on here can point me in the right direction so I can get the parts cut and start the wing rebuild.Thanks for anyone who can help me,I really appreciate it.
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We have a good one up in canada here eh. Lol . Greathobbies.com .Cheers
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:56 AM
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The Baron 1914 trainer still sells well in France. There's even a competition for them every year, La Coupe Des Barons or The Barons' Cup. Your humble servant stands to the right of the picture with his competition number "247" prominently displayed on the port wing. Two twin fourteen year-old girls kneel behind their white models to my right. The overall winner stands extreme right. Go to this link and scroll down to "Video Coupe 2018" to see what went on last year.: https://saffiotipatrick.wixsite.com/vl38/les-barons

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Old 04-12-2019, 05:53 PM
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That's a really nice event, Telemaster, thanks for posting. The closest thing to the Baron 1914 here in colonies besides the Das Ugly Stik would be the smaller 46" span Hobby Shack The Real Thing. Never did myself but heard during its hay day that some clubs had sport fun events with TRT. What you have going on in France is the true spirit of aeromodelling, IMHO.
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Old 04-12-2019, 08:10 PM
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Yes and no GG. At our club's flying field the ARTFs are always in the majority. Having said that, I have shamed six of my of my clubmates, five Frenchmen and a Dutchman who lived in Belgium for most of his life, into entering this year's Coupe in September, thus we will make up nearly 9% of the entry. Several new Baron's are being built and some old ones are being prepared. I'll let you know how we get on.

This year the organisers have made two changes to the rules. The size of eligible fourstroke models has been increased from a 40 to a 52. I love my fourstrokes and will be campaigning a 52 in mine. The grey model in the Russian WW1 colours featured above, has been re-engined with a Magnum 52 and test flown. It has required considerable weight in the rear to compensate for the heavier engine, the Baron being originally designed for a 15-19 size engine. I am building a second Baron to be fitted with an OS52.I have shortened the nose on the second model and intend to fit the servos in the rear fuselage. You are not allowed to use a spare model to La Coupe but if I plant one while practicising I've got another one to use!

The second rule change concerns the waiting list.Last year eighty pilots subscribed and a further five were accepted on a waiting list in case any of the eighty dropped out. For the event sixty-eight turned up. This year the size of the waiting list has been increased to ten so we should get a bigger field in September. My clubmates and I are all on the main list this year.

PS. On 19th May we have invited local clubs to join us for a fly-in complete with four-course French barbeque. We will be staging a "Mini Coupe" for Baron pilots.

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Old 04-13-2019, 02:37 AM
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We have a good one up in canada here eh. Lol . Greathobbies.com .Cheers
Bought a few in the past from them. Miss the Unionville kits they used to sell. Another great kit company gone!
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