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Old 11-13-2013, 10:53 AM
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Hello all,
I'm looking for a dummy engine for my 1/4 scale Fleet not having any luck finding any.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:38 AM
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None made that I know of. I made mine per directions and really wasn't difficult to stack up a bunch of discs on a dowel. The tops were cut from maple.

The real challenge came from mounting them to the cowl in a visually believable fashion. I took an old prop and used it as a template to spin about the crank, then moto tooled a lot of wood away and came out with:



The 1/3 scaler is an exact duplicate so once the trim flights are over, we'll break out the moto tool.

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Old 11-20-2013, 11:17 AM
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More details that needed attention before a full on rig was initiated. The 1/4 Fleet I have uses wood screws to secure the wings to the spar extensions and, over time, wallowed out and became loose requiring an occasional CA application to tighten up the fit.

This time, I elected to embed a blind nut in each blade. The forward blades you'll note the drilling did not go through so as to hold on to some of the strength of the ply blade. I figured, if I drilled all the way through, it would provide a weakness point that could fail on high g loads. Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

On the large forward blade, I slotted the wood to provide access to insert a 4-40 blind nut with attending plastic tube to keep the epoxy out of the hole and foul the cap screw.

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Old 12-06-2013, 08:28 AM
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Struts are now made from 1/8 CRS rod with a 4/40 cap screw brazed on the ends to allow precision adjustment and positioning of the wings/Incidence.

My first attempt I used silver solder (not the soldering iron variety). Good and strong but eventually ended up brazing with bronze rod.

After they were fitted , I slid 1/2 inch alum. streamlined extrusion over it with a 1/8" square maple stick to tighten things up within. The socket heads were filed flats so the extrusion wouldn't slip around the rod.

Cabanes are 5/16 CRS with 6/32 socket cap screws brazed onto the end. All the connectors will be Dubro 4-40 large scale rod connectors. The cabane connectors will be drilled and tapped to 6-32. Testing the tensile strength in a vise is good with no breakage or slippage.

I've 12 more large scale fittings on order through my LHS and may be in today so all is basically on hold.

Next up is devising some sort of AOA measuring apparatus.

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Old 12-06-2013, 09:16 AM
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Ray, I've used this in conjunction with the beam and clamp from a Robart Incidence Meter.

http://www.harborfreight.com/digital...uge-95998.html



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Old 12-06-2013, 10:32 AM
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Thanks for the suggestion Bob.

I can swing without the digital meter but I have to get the 36 inch bar as the wings are 16.5 inch in chord. I don't thing the bar, as is would work. Care to measure yours to see what the max wing chord they could support?

I homemade my last set for the 1/4 Fleet but can't seem to find them.

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Old 12-06-2013, 05:40 PM
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Robart makes a 36" Parallel Bar part #404029M
http://www.robart.com/products/36-meter-bar

I have one of these and it can be used with the clamps from the short bar (18.5") incidence meter.
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Old 04-11-2014, 11:59 AM
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Been awhile since I did anything much with the Fleet. Winter and life took it's own dues but Spring has sprung and I can think about getting back to finishing this project.

Driving me absolutely nuts is getting the rigging and alignment spot on or at least as close as I can make it. Anal retentive maybe the operable word but the straighter and true she is, the easier to fly.

All of the struts are finished. Most are 5/32 CRS rod that has socket cap screws brazed on and tested to assure the strength expected. This allowed me to use the jumbo clevis ends to be used to make truing everything easier. So I thought. I'd adjust here and over there something went out. Readjust that and the other went South. Key is the angle of attack and dihedral.

I got my 4 degrees of lower wing dihedral easily enough with only one of the two landing wires. Top wing is very long but very straight and no warps. The right lower wing has developed a bit of a warm of almost 2 degrees wash in but may be pulled out with enough time under pressure.

Interestingly, what ever I set up and leave overnight will have some movement and twist noticed the next day. Wood and fabric will absorb and dry with the weather so having such an accurate meter can make dialing it in much more rattling. I used bubble levels on my 1/4 Fleet and flew just fine.

Some pix if this thing still works as I remember.

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Old 04-11-2014, 12:05 PM
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Forgot to add that after trim flights , the rods will be faired with 3/8 K&S Aluminum streamlined stock. I made some up but decided to wait until all were made and trim flights over and save some time.


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Old 09-24-2014, 03:17 PM
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All rigging complete. Two days of rigging the final cabane with 1/8th Steel braid cable. Went with that as it is the easiest and most flexable when the wings are removed. Last detail is to make the engine cylinders. Those are all traced out and just need the gumption to cut them out.

On the Concept Fleet, I've begun to remove the fabric and inspect the wings for transmittal damage. Well, I found very little and No spar damage found. The plywood spice blades took the brunt of twist and hem and haw. All but one of the blades fractured at the point where they merged major assys together. I was most surprised. The socket head screws that kept the joiner blades in their pockets sheared and made removal most time consuming.

I'm still to tackle the fuse but I know it has some firewall damage and gear attach mounts needing to replace. While I'm in the fuse, I'll change the walking beam servo setup to each elevator having it's own servo. I'm stoked as I think this will be ready for Spring. Well, that's my schedule. I'm put the TBF off a while longer.

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Old 09-24-2014, 03:21 PM
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I tried to capture the joiner blade detail and how they snapped at the point between assemblies.

During therebuild , I'll splice the top wing into one as Retransit has done to his Fleet, and , since the fuse needs major repair, I'll make the lower wing a one piece as seen on some Fleets. No FAA form 337 will be required yet.

Amazing how much I can get done when I'm out of work. Sorta forced retirement.



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Did this plane get finished ? Did it fly ?
I'm deep into the build of the Weiss 1/3 Fleet , and would like to know how it all worked out.
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Yes , the 1/3 scale is complete except for final balancing. No flight yet. I'm a bit concerned over my choice of powerplant. OS 300 twin sits up front but I'm feeling the weight and began to think about it. Enough power to fly but I don't know about any hot stuff.

Besides, I'm not able to find a flying field big enough for it. My last club was 45 miles away and recently left for greener pastures. Closer field is too small with very tall trees that used to eat my sailplanes.

All in , it is a beauty with a hand carved pilot and will probably let some one own the bird and take what ever from it. It is big enough to nearly fill my garage.

Thanks for the interest.

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That's too bad , I hope you find a field that will be big enough soon. Please make many pics and or video when she flies.
I will post some pics as soon as I'm done with the struts and landing gear and get the wings on the fuse.
Your build log was very helpful during the build because the plans are kind of unclear about several things.
Like the Balsa USA planes I've done this one will also be all Electric , using the Rimfire 65 CC
Anybody else out there building this plane right now ?
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Old 01-12-2017, 06:44 AM
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Hello all,
I'm looking for a dummy engine for my 1/4 scale Fleet not having any luck finding any.
Thanks
Dan
I used Williams Brothers J5 cylinders as an approximation. Mounted backwards they look sorta like the Kinner.

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Old 01-12-2017, 06:56 AM
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Most convincing in appearance to boot. Nice job.

I'm still putting off making my cylinders for the 1/3 until I'm more mentally prepared.

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