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Trax540 11-21-2008 08:37 AM

VK Model kits vs. Busa ??
 
Im almost finished with my current project and im starting to research my next kit.

I think ive narrowed it down between the BUSA Sopwith Pup, or the Proctor Enterprise Sopwith Camel

Ive not built a kit from either of these manufacturers yet and i was hoping to get some opinions of the quality of both of them if possible
I have heard some say they recieved there Busa kit and the balsa was shotty and so on. Then others praising there qualities.
A few solid opinions before i order would be great

Thanks

abufletcher 11-21-2008 08:51 AM

RE: VK Model kits vs. Busa ??
 
Proctor's VK line of 1/6 scale models includes a Fokker DrI, a Nieuport 17, a Sopwith Camel, and a Sopwirh 1 1/2 Strutter. These are considered very nice scale models but not on a par with Proctors' larger "museum scale" models. Still, the VK kits are among the most respected small scale WWI kits produced in the US.

The BUSA 1/6 scale Pup is part of a new line-up of smaller WWI models. It's considerably more "sports scale" in structure and appearance than the VK kits. It follows the design principles of all BUSA models with an easy to build, flat-bottomed airfoil that doesn't need functional rigging. If you haven't done much building before the BUSA kit is probably a better "first WWI kit" and is probably easier to fly than the VK Camel.

On the other hand, if you're really interested in building a nice-looking scale model, the VK kit is the way to go. I'll add that CD ScaleDesigns also has a very nice and VERY scale 1/6 scale Sopwith Pup kit.

http://www.cdscaledesigns.com/Englis...p%20Titel.html

squeakalong 11-21-2008 10:02 AM

RE: VK Model kits vs. Busa ??
 
I agree with abufletcher. I have the VK DR1, D-7 and the Nieuport 17 kits and they all require some solid building under your belt to complete a good flying model. The BUSA kits build easier and, in my experience, fly easier. VK kits can be built up to look super nice but being the kit they are, they require more "on your toes" flying ability. I'd go with the BUSA 1/6 Pup kit first and then pick out a nice Proctor (VK) kit to build afterwards.

Soft landings.

Joe

abufletcher 11-21-2008 10:09 AM

RE: VK Model kits vs. Busa ??
 
The Flair Puppeteer is also a very nice kit that builds into a neat looking flyer. I did one "from box to air" in about 6 weeks.

http://www.flairmodels.co.uk/Aircraf...coutframes.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2I8efn72PI

Trax540 11-21-2008 11:39 AM

RE: VK Model kits vs. Busa ??
 
in comparison whats a better build / Flyer

The Busa Sopwith or the CDsacaledesigns?

Am i understanding the CD kit right, you need to basicly cut all your own parts from the balsa? Or am i mistaken do they offer a pre cut actual kit


abufletcher 11-21-2008 12:21 PM

RE: VK Model kits vs. Busa ??
 
Quote:

ORIGINAL: Trax540

in comparison whats a better build / Flyer

The Busa Sopwith or the CDsacaledesigns?

Am i understanding the CD kit right, you need to basicly cut all your own parts from the balsa? Or am i mistaken do they offer a pre cut actual kit

It's available either as "plans only" or as a full kit with CNC cut hardwood, ply, and balsa parts as well as a polycarbonate cowl and brass fittings sheet. It's a bit more involved than the BUSA Pup kit but the CD Pup as 100% scale outlines all around. Here's a thread about the prototype. It's apparently a very good flyer.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_46...h%2CPup/tm.htm

It really boils down to how much building you've done and what kind of model you want to end up with. The CDScaleDesigns Pup can be built to competition standards with a little extra effort (as with Allan Flower's Pup shown in the webpage). The BUSA is strictly "stand-off scale," designed to be an easy building, fun Sunday flyer. Both are fine kits just designed for different interests.

Here's a link to Allen's outstanding build of the CDScaleDesigns Pup:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_66...tm.htm#6629161

papermache 11-21-2008 12:21 PM

RE: VK Model kits vs. Busa ??
 
trax,

I've built a few of the BUSA kits and I'd recommend them without reservation to anybody who is an intermediate builder/flyer. They are straightforward builds with good instructions, and they fly beautifully.

No, BUSA kits are NOT "museum scale". Most have been modified for ease of building, flying or ground handling. They do, however "look the part" and can be modified quite easily to include more scale details. The quality of each of my BUSA kits has been excellent with top-quality woods and second-to-none die cutting.

VK kits (I have one, not yet built) are 1970s vintage and I doubt they have changed much over the years. They can be made very scale, and their construction is definately more scale than BUSA. IMHO, however, you'd have to be a pretty advanced builder to get a good model. The instructions are less than specific on many things and presuppose a lot of knowledge on the builder's part.

The choice is yours, and there's no wrong or right involved. It's simply what you want. The important thing is that you have fun while you're doing it. Good luck.

papermache

abufletcher 11-21-2008 12:27 PM

RE: VK Model kits vs. Busa ??
 
Sounds like good advice. Also, I think I'd give the BUSA Pup the scale nod over the Flair Puppeteer. The Puppeteer is nice but the fuse is a bit more like a Strutter than a Pup.

Also in terms of "instructions" BUSA probably can't be beat. The Puppeteer instructions are just some notes and a couple sheets of isometric drawings. It's enough but not the "step-by-step" manuals some people prefer. There is also no manual for the CD Pup, just online construction photos.

Trax540 11-21-2008 02:52 PM

RE: VK Model kits vs. Busa ??
 
Sounds great just the info i was looking for, although the CD and VK are tempting models,
since this will be my 3rd build i think il play it safe and go with the Busa.

Thanks all for the input always appreciated!:D

abufletcher 11-21-2008 03:09 PM

RE: VK Model kits vs. Busa ??
 
Sounds like the right decision for now.

KitBuilder 11-21-2008 06:51 PM

RE: VK Model kits vs. Busa ??
 
Im in the middle of building the vk 17 1/6 from proctor.. go with the balsa USA. VK is definately late 70's technology and i'm making changes as I go for strength. For instance it states to wrap the balsa / piano wire cabanes with gauze for extra strength !![sm=spinnyeyes.gif]. I assume the balsa usa may have servos in the wings where the vk utilizes the throug the wing bellcranks with aluminum tubes laminated ,etc to the ailerons, etc etc...
Mike


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