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RE: OS 1.60 run-in procedure - 7/7/2004 12:21:49 PM

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Yep big props are like airbrakes when at or near idle, and when in deadstick.. My Giles glided dead stick like the space shuttle...

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RE: OS 1.60 run-in procedure - 7/7/2004 2:15:07 PM

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I have a couple of 18/10 MA Classics for my Moki 180, I think they will do the job. plane I'm using right now has pretty heavy wing loading for a 40 size and stalls quick on landing, I think it will help me learn what to expect when it comes time to bring the Giles in. I still havn't gotten it down completely but I'm not bustin' props every landing now. It has real springy landing gear and bounces easily so I have to be pretty close to right on to get it down.
My fuel tank is foam wrapped then secured with a couple of small hooks on the sides and a rubberband running behind the tank connected to them. Kind of like my receiver is mounted in this pic. Seems to work. It's the tank that came with the kit, not modified.

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RE: OS 1.60 run-in procedure - 7/7/2004 6:03:55 PM

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The Giles isn't that hairy just keep your speed up and don't try to 3 point unless you are in the grass cause you will most likely drop a wingtip when you try to stall it onto the wheels...

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RE: GILES 202 - 7/10/2004 4:15:43 AM

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My maiden flight on this thing was Monday. I flew Tues, Thurs and today (Friday). I've got about 16 full flights (about two hours total) on it. Last night I was so stoked that I got interested in IMAC and printed the basic class pattern. I've never flown pattern and have only been flying for 28 months. I did the pattern a bit on real flight g2 this morning and went to the field. To me, RFG2 is incredible. Now, I know the Basic Class pattern is ...well pretty basic, but this my first .60 plus size plane and yes, I can see that she has a tendancy to plummet like Milli Vannili. But man, I just can't get enough! I never had slow and four point rolls look so axial and even have learned a respectible rolling horse shoe

. (I'll make it a circle one day). Now Don't say the word (D**D St**K). I'm sure I'll get mine soon. I haven't had any problems with the pitts muffler or the needle or the OS FX 160... KOW. I've put in a 24 oz tank and never thought I'd come close to running out before I was ready to come down. On my last flight tonight after an engine hickup, I called "LANDING!". I soon heard a 40 size trainer idling behind me and off the far end of the runway and my spotter satisfied me it was waiting. I came in and started to set my wheels down and my spotter told me a plane just rolled onto the far end of the runway?[

. I started to abort and she went lean, whined and hicuped badly (you know what that means. ) So I hollered "LANDING OR CRASHING" and

killed the throttle myself and forced her down with a few bounces. I was fortunately able to stay well away from the trainer and everthing was fine. Its a good thing I have to spend the second week of this vacation with the family and away from the plane... I can't take this much excitement

. I really like the plane. It looks great in the sky, tracks like a wolf and sounds like a pissed off wife

...oh, sorry...gotta go

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RE: GILES 202 - 7/10/2004 4:38:19 AM

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Congratulations on your successful flights, and all that fun you are having. Nothing better than when all goes soooo well!! Very happy for you. keep up the great work and have loads of fun.

LOL on this one.

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I really like the plane. It looks great in the sky, tracks like a wolf and sounds like a pissed off wife ...oh, sorry...gotta go

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Reply to Diabo, re Tank. - 7/10/2004 5:01:08 AM

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Sorry I forgot to answer your question about the tank compartment. I use foam. I get our Computer guy at work to save discarded packing foam for me. In fact I need some more

Also, I got the 24 oz Slimline slant tank. Because of my throttle rod, I have it inserted a little on the left side of the compartment on its side with the vent tube inside the tank turned appropriately. I made the pickup tubes come out so they come out of the firewall hole. The tank is wrapped entirely in 1/2 inch thick foam. Then I have more foam to keep the things cozy. Anyone fly with their tank a bit off the thrust line? Am I looking for trouble?

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RE: DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT COLOR? - 7/10/2004 5:06:46 AM

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Anybody know what exact colors of monokote and cowl paint they use on the giles GP 202 1/4 scale? (the red and blue mainly). I don't need it yet, but would like to know. Oh also, the canopy that comes with the arf I have is different from that pictured on the box. I think I like the one on the box better because my canopy's red paint is a little off of the color of the rest of the plane.

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RE: GILES 202 - 7/10/2004 12:55:00 PM

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I second that... I don't know whether or not you clear monokoted your hinge gaps.. If you didnt keep an eye on them... If you sealed them you should be ok, I didn't and had to rehinge some surfaces.. It was my fault too as my aileron linkages had a little play in the control horn.. Thats all it takes... Good IMAC plane!

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RE: Great Planes Giles 202 25% - 7/15/2004 2:25:53 AM

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It's to Bad this plane is such a great flier! It's really not built very well! I need to know the correct color of the Red Monocoat! I have the stress cracks in the sides of the fuse. I peeled the covering back and the balsa is all shattering! I placed a peice of 1/4 in basla sheet behind the out side walls. Hoping it will hold up. I put the V blocks in awhile back. I was looking at the stress cracks in the Fuse and I tried bending the body it was flexing up and down. I'm sure it would have snapped in half like I've seen others do. Right at the start of the wing! I've already got it's replacement a GSP Katana 72. Looks like they have got it looking good!

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RE: Great Planes Giles 202 25% - 7/15/2004 3:01:08 AM

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The color of the monocoat is True red. I purchased some a while back and had the same question. Here is the page link at Tower and a copy of the picture showing the color.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0095P?FVSEARCH=monocoat&FVPROFIL=++&search3=Go

I also attached a copy of the photos showing where I mounted the tristock. This solved the stress cracking problem for me. Unfortunately I had a mid-air the Giles is no more, but I had over 100 successful flights with no further signs of cracking before a trainer and I tangled. It was ugly and my first mid-air.

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RE: Great Planes Giles 202 25% - 7/15/2004 3:31:00 AM

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Roger. Thanks True Red. I already had the V blocks in the corners. It's flexing out side the light ply box. The sides of the plane were cracking up. I CA Glued a nice piece of 1/4 Balsa to the inside and CA d the whole cockpit floor to the dash it was all cracking there to. I also put some doublers inside the cock pit to the dash panel. The flex is gone so we will see what else falls apart next. It's a sweet flying bird though mine came in around 11.5 pounds. About twenty foot ground roll and shes up in the air a little further and I stand her on her tail and she goes straight up. I hope she stays together a while longer. I'm not getting attached to it though. I'm doing my stunts right over the field so when she falls apart I won't have to walk very far.

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RE: Great Planes Giles 202 25% - 7/15/2004 3:33:52 AM

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I'm doing my stunts right over the field so when she falls apart I won't have to walk very far.

I got a good LOL on that one

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RE: Great Planes Giles 202 25% - 7/15/2004 3:39:46 AM

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Here is a e-mail I sent to Great Planes. I''l post there response if I get one!

I've been flying my Giles since December of last year. I have an OS 160FX in
it with a Perry pump. The plane weighs 11.5 pounds. It Performs incredible.

There is a problem with it though. I've read most of the post on RC
Universe about set up and reinforcing the Fuselage wing and landing
gear. My landing gear pulled out early on and the wheel pants went through the
wing. I was able to repair the tops of the wings with very little cosmetic scaring.
I recovered the area on the bottom of the wing with sheet balsa and Yellow monocoat. I
replaced the Landing gear with V blocks all around the plate for the
gear and epoxied it in place. It has not gone anywhere after that. I used Dubro1/4 scale
hinges with pacer hinge glue and pinned the hinges in to the wing
and control surfaces. I've had Zero problems with them!
It is very sensitive to, to much elevator as stated everywhere. Ihave
mine set up to specs and it does just fine. The Plane has a nice glide
and will fly very slow without any unusually tendencies. Stalls clean and
predictable. It does great snap rolls in slow flight. Levels back off nice without
having to add power!
The problem I'm writing about is I found the fuselage and the
front of the wing mounting area is all cracked the covering got a split in it. I
peeled the covering back to see what was going on and found all the balsa above
the wing saddle on the fuselage sides to be cracked and shattered. If this
is such a high stress point why is it not built stronger. I glued some 1/4 inch
flat balsa stock in behind it to stabilize the fuselage it was flexing from
the top of the wing mount. Also I put some doublers in the cockpit to the dash
panel to stop the flex. If I did not catch it, it probably would have broken
right there as I have seen others do.
Overall I like the Plane very much. I'm just very disappointed in
the way it just falls apart. I don't think it's up to Great Planes Standards
for Quality. I bought an ARF because I don't have the time to build. But I
end up rebuilding were it should have been built in the first place. The plane
could use some Stronger joints and better glue penetration on the joints that are
there. The wing saddle area and the Fuselage sides could definitely use
some more strength.
Thanks for your time Steve Ludwig

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RE: Great Planes Giles 202 25% - 7/15/2004 3:54:08 AM

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Roger sorry to hear of your demise. I took out a trainer last year with my combat SPAD. I was praticing square loops of the back of the field and this. trainer guy fly in my box. That was three fuselages ago with my Saturday Night Speicial. I can put an new fuselage together in about an hour and a half.

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RE: Great Planes Giles 202 25% - 7/15/2004 8:58:48 PM

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Steve, I am in the process of finishing up on a new Gene Soucy Extra by G.P. The one thing I noticed in this plane is that they really did a good job in reinforcing the fuse with hardwood stringers along the fuse. See picture below of the Soucy- view from the wing saddle. I'm certain there won't be any flexing in this new model, but this is several years beyond the design of the G.P. 1/4 scale Giles. ARF's keep getting better. I guess they have learned from our experiences what works and doesn't. They have also made a much better