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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 5:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		The wings, booms and elevator are monokote.  We have one of these airplanes that we made with full composite wings booms and fuselage, but the price was very different do to the cost of materials and manufacturing.  We construct the kit in our factory in Ecuador and final assembly is accomplished in South Florida.  Every single kit is inspected before it leaves our warehouse for any defects.  Like in any mass production of products there are always some that have blemishes or defects, we stand behind our product and do our best to keep that down to a minimum.  That is why we have people that go through every kit before it is shipped to insure that they are ok before it leaves our warehouse.  We are stocking a full line of spar parts, covering and hardware to try to give the best customer service to our clients. I have attached a few picture of the airplane before it gets painted and covered for you to see the quality of our work.  

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 6:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some more info.  The decals on the airplane are all high quality vinyl not that cheap clear plastic printed stuff, the stars & bars are printed vinyl and the letters are all cut vinyl. All decals are factory installed.  There was also a question on what size struts the retracts accommodate, they are made for 3/8 struts. Also 18lb of thrust is the max for the jet so a P80 will not be ok and will not fit into our engine mount.


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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 7:02 PM   
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 7:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I will post full pics and hopefully a video of the airplane next week if the weather holds up.  The manuel will be on our website late next week as well thanks.  We are currently building one  for the manuel and taking lots of pictures so you can see step by step the construction.  Thank you for your patience we will do our best to get pictures out ASAP


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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 7:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whilst I have missed (and gladly so) the earlier confrontations in this thread, I do think that the name is confusing and was disappointed that the colour so closely resembles the Bobcat scheme.

This seems to be quite an original approach to jet modelling. IMO it deserves an original name and original colour schemes. That said, if it flys well, I think it will be a big seller.

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 7:58 PM   
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Status: online 		I have to agree that the name sucks, I opened the thread expecting to see a new swing wing bird (even when I went to your website a week or so ago that's what I thought until it opened up to this airplane. (at least it's not called a KeeKat or Lingkat like some of the other asian knockoff's were called!)

Having said that, if the airplane is strong and flies well, and all components work as advertised I will be very impressed.
The price makes me a bit skeptical as to quality though, I don't mean that as a slam, unfortunately with companies like Fly Eagle Jets who have brought out jets at very low prices, only to show that they fall apart or don't work, my confidence in offshore produced very inexpensive products is very low.
Having said that, I'll take your word that this airplane is higher quality, I look forward to seeing "consumer reviews" on it.

Now the big question, are there any plans to have it available with a white gelcoat fuselage and the wings and such uncovered so that we could chose our own scheme and do it ourselves? Or at least a white fuselage with white wings etc? That would make it more appealing to me.

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 8:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		We chose the Navy Trainer paint scheme because it is very popular scheme in the RC world and I really was tired of having sport jets not being available with a nice military scheme.  As for the name we choose TORNADO because it sounds cool, not only in English but in spanish,russian, german etc.... try saying "Striker T" in IsiZulu which is spoken in South Africa where we have 10 planes sold to.  


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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 8:18 PM   
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Status: online 		Ok, that's great, but will you be offering it in an all white or uncovered scheme?

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 8:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		At the moment we don't have any plans of having the plane come in white Gel coat but let me see what I can do.  We have a production line for this jet and it would be difficult to change it to accommodate a different scheme even if it is white.  We are in the process of making another 300 kits for February and maybe we can make some of those in white only.  As for the quality they are built strong and light.  If people do as we ask in the instructions and don't install 25lb thrust turbine in a airplane that was designed  for a P60 or P70 then the plane will be great.  


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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 8:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks promising! Love the Navy hi-viz paint scheme... real easy to see.
Can't seem to open up your web page? It goes to some other web sites? Is it www.modellbau-usa.com? cause that one does not work?
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 8:22 PM   
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 8:24 PM   
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 8:43 PM   
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At the moment we don't have any plans of having the plane come in white Gel coat but let me see what I can do.  We have a production line for this jet and it would be difficult to change it to accommodate a different scheme even if it is white.  We are in the process of making another 300 kits for February and maybe we can make some of those in white only.  As for the quality they are built strong and light.  If people do as we ask in the instructions and don't install 25lb thrust turbine in a airplane that was designed  for a P60 or P70 then the plane will be great.  


So there is only one scheme available?

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 8:51 PM   
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 8:58 PM   
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         We would like to formally introduce our new jet the TORNADO.  As many people already know the airplane is going to be sold as an ARF.  It's construction is made up of a composite fuselage and built up wings,booms and elevator that are fully sheeted.  The jet is made to accommodate a 12lb.-18 lb. thrust engine with a case diameter of 3.25 inches - 3.75 inches i.e. P60,P70,Wren 70-75, King Tech K80 etc...  The airplane  comes with factory installed spring air retracts, composite fuel tank made by Derrick Martin, composite control horns, and aluminum turbine mount pre-installed on the airplane. Pre-sales will start in mid-November and we are expecting to have the first shipment by mid-December.  Total price of the kit is $475.00
      
         We are also offering a complete servo package that includes 10 metal gear ball bearing servos, all extensions needed for the jet and a 6.6V LiFe battery for $250.  All servo's extensions and batteries are made in house.  We have also partnered up with Spring Air products to offer a set of Wheels,Brakes and struts for under $200. A mechanical or electric brake valve along with a UAT will be offered by Dreamworks RC to complete the kit off. 

       In about 1 1/2 weeks we will have a full set of pictures and a manual for you to view.  Anybody interested on getting on the pre-order wait list you can email your full name, phone number and email to info@modellbauusa.com.  There will be exclusive dealers for Germany, UK and Australia, so check back with me for more details.



Looks like a BVM Bobcat..


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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 9:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		So does the Falcon 120,KeeCat,Angel,Pheonix etc.... your point is what and the Bob Cat looks like the RamCat which was the first twinn boom jet designed by RAM that never got released.  The point is that airplanes are airplanes and there is plenty of room for everything in the RC industry.


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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 9:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree 100% not everybody in this hobby wants to spend $7000 for a jet and some might not have the money to do that.  I think these guys are doing a great job on trying to make the jet world accesible to everybody.  With this economy, money is tight for everybody and at least they have thought of a way to keep our hobby going.  I dont understand why people like to stir up crap for no reason if you dont like it then go about your buisness.   

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 10:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very well said.  I have done buisness with Henry not related with RC and I all I have to say is that he is a very outstanding guy.  Our research facility purchased one of there UAV's and it was A quality work.  If people want to talk about expensive go an purchase one of there $300,000 UAV's.

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 11:36 PM   
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         The airplane  comes with factory installed spring air retracts, composite fuel tank made by Derrick Martin, composite control horns, and aluminum turbine mount pre-installed on the airplane. Pre-sales will start in mid-November and we are expecting to have the first shipment by mid-December.  Total price of the kit is $475.00
      
 ...... We have also partnered up with Spring Air products to offer a set of Wheels,Brakes and struts for under $200. A mechanical or electric brake valve along with a UAT will be offered by Dreamworks RC to complete the kit off. 


What size struts will the retract units accept?
Will the Jet Central Rabbit fit




Rabbit should fit easy.. It is smaller (not much) then a K80!

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/27/2010 11:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		From looking at the pictures in post #29 I can tell that the struts are too long. The Falcon 120 was designed with long struts so that a rear mounted prop will clear the ground. Obviously you copied that from the Falcon 120, however prop clearance is not a concern with a turbine.

The plane looks odd with such long struts and the extra leverage makes it easier to rip out landing gear mounts on a rough landing. For these reasons a lot of guys shorten the struts when they convert a Falcon 120 to turbine. The tornado would look a lot better if you shortened the struts by 1 1/2 to 2 inches. Additionally it would be beneficial if it were designed to accommodate knee action struts, such as Prolinks

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/28/2010 12:51 AM   
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From looking at the pictures in post #29 I can tell that the struts are too long. The Falcon 120 was designed with long struts so that a rear mounted prop will clear the ground. Obviously you copied that from the Falcon 120, however prop clearance is not a concern with a turbine.

The plane looks odd with such long struts and the extra leverage makes it easier to rip out landing gear mounts on a rough landing. For these reasons a lot of guys shorten the struts when they convert a Falcon 120 to turbine. The tornado would look a lot better if you shortened the struts by 1 1/2 to 2 inches. Additionally it would be beneficial if it were designed to accommodate knee action struts, such as Prolinks

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Hence my reason for asking what size strut the retract would accept...still no answer

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/28/2010 1:00 AM   
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From looking at the pictures in post #29 I can tell that the struts are too long. The Falcon 120 was designed with long struts so that a rear mounted prop will clear the ground. Obviously you copied that from the Falcon 120, however prop clearance is not a concern with a turbine.

The plane looks odd with such long struts and the extra leverage makes it easier to rip out landing gear mounts on a rough landing. For these reasons a lot of guys shorten the struts when they convert a Falcon 120 to turbine. The tornado would look a lot better if you shortened the struts by 1 1/2 to 2 inches. Additionally it would be beneficial if it were designed to accommodate knee action struts, such as Prolinks

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/28/2010 1:12 AM   
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/28/2010 1:15 AM   
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From looking at the pictures in post #29 I can tell that the struts are too long. The Falcon 120 was designed with long struts so that a rear mounted prop will clear the ground. Obviously you copied that from the Falcon 120, however prop clearance is not a concern with a turbine.

The plane looks odd with such long struts and the extra leverage makes it easier to rip out landing gear mounts on a rough landing. For these reasons a lot of guys shorten the struts when they convert a Falcon 120 to turbine. The tornado would look a lot better if you shortened the struts by 1 1/2 to 2 inches. Additionally it would be beneficial if it were designed to accommodate knee action struts, such as Prolinks

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 10/28/2010 2:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rich I actually replied to you this morning maybe you missed it the gear takes 3/8 struts and I did mention that the rabbit would be perfect fit.  

We have made 5 airplanes that had different configurations to test several things on this jet.  We decided to use longer struts for many reasons, one main reason was that the custom Spring Air retracts and struts offered were designed to bend before causing any damage to the wing structure.  The longer struts as well as the off-set that they are built with cause a force vector that is directly linear to the Oleo Leg.  The strut will bend straight back instead of  creating a twisting moment and then bend causing trauma to the wing structure that your normal " L " strut will have.  We are in the process of finishing trailing link struts that will fit into our gear in about 3 months.  The struts will be trailing link but will extend straight when no weight is on them allowing them to fit into the wing with out cutting the bottom of the wing.  

We have made this plane for one reason and one reason only. As you probably see the plane is very in expensive in comparison to other kits and comes with name brand high quality equipment.  We are not making very much money at all selling this kit or the future F-86D that we are releasing because we want to give back to the RC community and increase sales for the vendors that we are using to produce our parts.  We have been very fortunate to get a very large contract for our UAV's which has made us very financially stable, thats is why we are doing what we are doing.  Jet Cat,Spring Air, Weatronics USA and Graupner has supported our business for several years and now we are trying to move there product aggressively to show our gratitude.  Like I said we have a deal with the Jet Cat P60 that will sound almost impossible in November to do just that move product.  If you guys have any ideas for future projects we are open to suggestions.  As an avid modeler for over 18 years, this hobby has given me a lot and I feel like its time to give back.


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