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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/2/2010 4:57 PM   
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When will you have the video up. I want to see the tornado in action.

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/2/2010 5:05 PM   
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/2/2010 5:21 PM   
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maybe I missed in a previous post but do you plan to develop some scale stuff. Lord knows we have enough F15s, F16s, P51s etc. but thought I'd ask

keep up the good work amigo

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/2/2010 5:30 PM   
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The dimensions for the box are as follows  46x19x9 weight 10lb..   For domestic shipping we are working with FeEx to get the cheapest rate posssible.  For our international customers We will be shipping via USPS or by your freight forwarder of choice.  If your shipping quote you receive from these places is to expensive another option will be to wait for a authorized dealer near you to stock these. All dealers should have there stock of kits my March.  The dealer list is as follows

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/2/2010 6:24 PM   
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/2/2010 6:54 PM   
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For the people that were asking us about the reinforcement for the tail this is just one of the things that has been done to give added strength in this area. Along with fiber-glassing prior to painting.



oooooooo, what are the odds that the F14 in the background is a future model from modellbau?

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/2/2010 7:27 PM   
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/2/2010 8:27 PM   
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For the people that were asking us about the reinforcement for the tail this is just one of the things that has been done to give added strength in this area. Along with fiber-glassing prior to painting.


That does look MUCH stronger than what's on my Falcon. I can't wait to replace this bird with something cleaner like the Tornado.


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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/2/2010 8:46 PM   
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Status: online 		Please do not take this as critissm, just an observation from an old retired structural engineer.

If the inside of the Tornado is the same as the Falcon 120 at the rear engine mount then structually its not the best solution for less than prefect landings or less than perfect fields, if its the same its still a cantilever that is trying to take its strength from the skin of the fus without transfering the canterlever moment into a structural member, those that had problems with the Falcon had the skin of the fus cracking at the joint between the mount and the fus where the right angle is formed by the mount, by introducing the wedge as shown the forces will not be spread by the fus flexing, but will induce a crack at the joint line, may I suggest a better solution would be to take a structural tube or rod through the engine mount into the inside of the fus and glue it to the internal root rib on both sides.

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 1:00 AM   
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Please do not take this as critissm, just an observation from an old retired structural engineer.

If the inside of the Tornado is the same as the Falcon 120 at the rear engine mount then structually its not the best solution for less than prefect landings or less than perfect fields, if its the same its still a cantilever that is trying to take its strength from the skin of the fus without transfering the canterlever moment into a structural member, those that had problems with the Falcon had the skin of the fus cracking at the joint between the mount and the fus where the right angle is formed by the mount, by introducing the wedge as shown the forces will not be spread by the fus flexing, but will induce a crack at the joint line, may I suggest a better solution would be to take a structural tube or rod through the engine mount into the inside of the fus and glue it to the internal root rib on both sides.

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My thoughts exactly, from another engineer. One big mistake in the Falcon 120 design is that the flat piece of wood inside the bottom of the mount area stops at that right angle at the rear of the fuse. Any stresses on the mount are concentrated at that corner, which is why they typically crack there, and adding a wedge to the outside does nothing to improve the situation. A simple fix would be to extend the wood a couple inches into the fuse and add a rear former to tie it into the rear fuse fiberglass structure.

Those of us that regularly fly a Falcon 120 and have built a few are very familiar with its shortcomings. The Falcon 120 thread is full of various approaches to correct those issues and make the airframe safe for turbine application. Most of the comments and questions here are from potential customers who want to be assured that those issues have been addressed with the Tornado. I didn't interpret any comments as "Why don't you do it my way?". From his responses it appears that Henry and crew have done an excellent job of addressing the know shortfalls of the Falcon 120.

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 1:10 AM   
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 1:32 AM   
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I totally appreciate all the feed back I am getting from all.  We have done the very best to keep the cost of this airplane down with jeopardizing structural integrity.  If you use the suggested engine there will not be sufficient weight to cause a problem in breaking the rear mount. We have reinforced it the necessary amount not to have that happen.  I really appreciate all the comments that everybody has written out so far and I hope I addressed all questions.  We are doing are best to give you an inexpensive jet at a quality that is turbine ready, which the Falcon was not.  If you look at all the things we are giving you with the kit you will see that you have everything you need to and they are high quality.




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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 3:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		the first post is confusing because you list the retracts as coming with the airplane and then you say the retracts are about $200. Can you clear it up for me? Either way it is a great deal, but I have some fellow fliers that will be looking for something like this soon and want to be clear when I tell them the details of this airplane.



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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 3:52 AM   
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 4:02 AM   
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 4:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me. I guess I'm used to the gear set having the retracts and wheels/tires/brakes.

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 4:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nothing to stop you just fitting wire legs or sourcing/making your own trailing links as well, this way leaves the door open.

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 4:42 AM   
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 4:49 AM   
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420 USD at today exchange rate

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 4:54 AM   
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 4:57 AM   
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That's really not bad for quality trailing links. We need to see exactly what is going to be sold for the Tornado for 200 bucks. I don't mind putting a bit extra money in for grass flying safety.

Exactly...that's everything except the tubing, valve, and a tank
Sandor Kruise aka"Digitec"is great to deal with, I have bought a few sets from him...great service!

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 5:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is a great price, I can offer you guys the kit with out retracts for $395.00 if anybody would like that please let me know.  I am here to help!!!


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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 5:07 AM   
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That is a great price, I can offer you guys the kit with out retracts for $395.00 if anybody would like that please let me know.  I am here to help!!!


Now you're Talking!!!
I assume that if they fit the Falcon 120 they should fit this one.....correct

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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 5:19 AM   
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RE: The new Tornado sport jet - 11/3/2010 6:02 AM   
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At this time we are not because, it was designed around the custom spring air retracts and we do not want people to start cutting away on the gear blocks to squeeze in bigger gear and weakening the structure.


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Glad to see you have changed your mind from my original question and decided to offer the plane without retracts. Thank You!!

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