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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/6/2011 1:41 AM   
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The truck looks great Dale, especially with those meatier rims on. I know from fiddling with 1/6th scale savages that having huge MT rims and tires is an intoxicating proposition, but the reality is often disappointing.

It's good you stuck with it, I've been eyeing up a Rampage to convert to brushless where the problem of bogging with the petrol motor would be suitably offset with a gnarly enough drive system. If the truck isn't reliable though then it's pointless heaping further complexity onto it with a power conversion.


Thanks for the compliment. My Rampage and I are doing better for sure after another few runs.

IMO I think that the drivetrain could probably handle a big brushless setup if you can get some kind of slipper in place to ease into the power instead of dumping it all onto the drivetrain immediately. Once the drivetrain is engaged and rolling out, that isn't going to be a problem. It's only when you throw 3HP of brushless torque from a dead stop that I could see parts screaming for help.

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 12:23 AM   
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What a comedy of errors this truck is for me... So, I was participating in a professional COW RC video shoot today with helicopter cams, professional photographers, the whole shabang. There was about 50 people there. I had my HPI 5B, HPI 5T and Rampage. I planned on running each one in a cycle to get each one in the video. So, after about 10 minutes of easy run time, the Rampage begins to rev but not move at the very beginning of a scene shoot!!! whaaaaa???

Upon close inspection, the Rampage failed me again... AGAIN!!! Nothing broke, but the main transmission idler gear set nut came loose after securing with thread lock AND using the nyloc nut. Really? Are you kidding me? Really?



The only cool thing is when the gear came loose, it melted a perfect circle in the gear cover which is pretty sweet.





After this mishap, I literally ran the HPI 5B & 5T in cycles for 3 hours STRAIGHT with 0 issues. It wasn't until we ran a massive launch ramp that I broke a few rod ends from the rear shocks of both HPI Bajas.

People just walked buy and talked to me about the Rampage. They just laughed at the amount of problems this platform has given me and what a contrast it was to see that break and see the abuse the HPI Bajas took. So, I have my second HPI Baja now which I should have bought in the first place. The Rampage is getting cleaned up and sold. I am 100% done with it and I can't recommend the Redcat Rampage to anyone.

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 1:15 AM   
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Sorry to hear that you are giving up on the MT that gear cover did'nt have enough vent holes and that let the gears get hot and made the loctite let go leve the cover off and clean the threads off with brake clean and put the gears back on use red loctite and install the nut on and let it set up for 30 min do you have a shim on that shaft so you can tighten that nut good and tight without binding up the bearing Jim

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 2:23 AM   
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I've seen that happen on Noyb's Hurrax (it might have been the FG or the Nutech, can't keep count with all the cars he has...), so don't be stressed...it happens to the best of us, LOL!!! 


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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 3:05 AM   
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Sorry to hear that you are giving up on the MT that gear cover did'nt have enough vent holes and that let the gears get hot and made the loctite let go leve the cover off and clean the threads off with brake clean and put the gears back on use red loctite and install the nut on and let it set up for 30 min do you have a shim on that shaft so you can tighten that nut good and tight without binding up the bearing Jim


I hear ya... The old me would be planning the best way to address this. The fed up me just doesn't care.

By design, the Rampage should have been designed as such that the gear cover didn't need vent holes. The vent holes are a remedy to a poor design. All of these fixes we do and put up with are just remedies and band-aids to poor design. I was willing to overlook design and material shortcomings to a point but I hit my limit. Maybe the new owner will fare better than me.

My new 5BSS that I bought thrashed and rebuilt last night already gave me 2 perfect hours of runtime today! My 5T is bone stock and has given me probably 20 solid hours of runtime over the last 2 years with very few repairs and none to address manufacturing shortcomings. There is now in my mind no comparison between the Rampage and HPI 5B platform. They are in different leagues. Maybe the new Rampage line will close the gap, but as it stands now that gap is wide and IMO peoples' money is better spent on an HPI 1/5 scale product. Keep in mind that HPI and Redcat are all I know for 1/5 scale, so I am not attempting to say that other brands are inferior- I just don't know anything about them to say anything.

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 3:20 AM   
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I think the whole problem lies in the 4 gear transmission...too many moving parts generating a lot of heat and variables which will lead to failure. The latest belt drive systems that are being released may cure this but the simple spur and pinion transmission is really efficient and cheap. it just sounds like laziness on the part of the manufacturers...Now, keep in mind that I have a MCD that runs the similar setup but too me and it runs great with metal gears but it is outdated.


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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 4:17 AM   
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with steel gears you don't need to run a cover and really shouldn't as steel generates a lot more heat that can be bad for bearings and loctite, ..i've never had a nut come off using just blue loctite with no cover and never had a problem with running open gears... all my 1/5ths with steel or plastic gears i've ended up running with no cover...all they do is retain and build heat.
I do understand your frustration ...as regards the rampage (I had the V1 so issues were infinitesimal) i could write a novel on trying to make a silk purse out of a pig's ear, in 2 1/2 yrs of tinkering i think i managed to make a hessian purse at best but i can honestly say, despite it's foibles, i still had a heap of fun with it. you've come this far and done all the necessaries so i'd be inclined to suggest that you ditch the cover, loctite the bloodly bejesus out of the nut and give it one more chance. before i retired mine ol' piggy ended up being a pretty god damn stalwart rc, though since it's release, it's become a bit of a dinosaur. However at the time it was released it was the only 4wd 1/5th mainstream option back then other than the MCD which wasn't much more reliable and cost 3 times as much.

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 4:38 AM   
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all they do is retain and build heat.




and stop rocks from completely destroying them.

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 4:51 AM   
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never had an issue i most of my running has been in gravel pits

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 5:24 AM   
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i ordered the belt drive from rc force for my cen matrix sc5 not here yet but i have ran 9 tanks of gas on the plastic gears an they still look good i did boil the gears first

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 7:39 AM   
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What a comedy of errors this truck is for me... So, I was participating in a professional COW RC video shoot today with helicopter cams, professional photographers, the whole shabang. There was about 50 people there. I had my HPI 5B, HPI 5T and Rampage. I planned on running each one in a cycle to get each one in the video. So, after about 10 minutes of easy run time, the Rampage begins to rev but not move at the very beginning of a scene shoot!!! whaaaaa???

Upon close inspection, the Rampage failed me again... AGAIN!!! Nothing broke, but the main transmission idler gear set nut came loose after securing with thread lock AND using the nyloc nut. Really? Are you kidding me? Really?



After this mishap, I literally ran the HPI 5B & 5T in cycles for 3 hours STRAIGHT with 0 issues. It wasn't until we ran a massive launch ramp that I broke a few rod ends from the rear shocks of both HPI Bajas.

People just walked buy and talked to me about the Rampage. They just laughed at the amount of problems this platform has given me and what a contrast it was to see that break and see the abuse the HPI Bajas took. So, I have my second HPI Baja now which I should have bought in the first place. The Rampage is getting cleaned up and sold. I am 100% done with it and I can't recommend the Redcat Rampage to anyone.



Sucks you are having problems man, but I just find it amusing when hpi Baja owners have to consistently point out they have the HPI version, just the amount of times you mention it makes me chuckle.
Redcat really just make ebay stuff that are designed for carparks and backyards, I wouldn't ever take a redcat product to a racetrack of any type.

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 8:43 AM   
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To be frank, HPI does make some great stuff, but they are not immune to errors. Releasing the Savage Flux with crappy diffs that wouldn't just loose teeth, but would actually shatter into pieces, Fiery escs due to incorrect gearing out of the box and people using nimh batteries because the manual says you can when Castle explicitly state using lipos only... The Blitz was released as a competition sc truck but had a diff that would leak oil, HPIs initial reaction was to fill it with grease and then fit a spring to increase friction within the bevels... By having them rub on the diff case halves. My MTDT is an amazingly designed truck, but has little things like the rear wheels rubbing on the trailing arms as they are an incorrect offset, the suspension arms are so short that they require cvds to ensure the dogbones stay in place. I have a bag of spares so when it inevitably loses one i can carry on running.

The Baja was a home run for HPI, no doubt and the Redcat has many issues, but very few RCs are perfect. The Baja didn't really push any boundaries, it's relatively light, with light, small diameter wheels, 2wd, simple and tough. It looks pretty 'scale' but it was an interpretation of what was already around, remade to be more attractive. If you put the Baja and the Rampage MT next to each other and asked people what they wanted to drive with no prior knowledge, i'm guessing the Baja would have dust on it by the time anyone picked it.

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 11:48 AM   
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hey dale mine made that exact same pretty round hole too, did you manage to find the other bit it too comes off in an exact circle. dont give up on it yet! 1 question when you fitted the v1 arms and you had to modify the chassis did you need to fit limiting straps?

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 2:26 PM   
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dont give up dale you have came to far with the redcat

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 4:33 PM   
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i can see this going south

why is it HPI and redcat have this near religious following....it's like the bleedin crusades.. can't say a bad word about them without someone wanting to poke you in the eye with a pointy stick... and it usually degrades into petty diatribe.

We own and play with toy cars, that, in many peoples' minds, makes us big kids...which we probably are...however it don't mean we have to act like one

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 5:18 PM   
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On a lighter note, Looks like your gear cover is VERY well vented now Dale

Moo: I dont mind people saying bad things about the Ramp, if they have experience with them. But to blindly say "shoulda got a Nutech" in this Redcat thread is asking for it. Thats my point. I wouldn't dare go to NRF, or any forum for that matter and chime in "shoulda got a Redcat" in a Nutech thread. Its more of a respect thing, and that is something I think Sherv and a few others needs to learn.






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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 6:01 PM   
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Sucks you are having problems man, but I just find it amusing when hpi Baja owners have to consistently point out they have the HPI version, just the amount of times you mention it makes me chuckle.


There is a reason for this and it isn't to seem elitist. I don't know anything about the clone bajas. I don't know how reliable they are or if they are any good. I say HPI Baja because I don't want some reader to assume their experience with a Baja clone will be the same as mine with an HPI Baja. Since I don't know a thing about the clones, I specify HPI Baja to clear up an ambiguity.

My only experience with a Baja clone was a new clutch I got from one for my HPI where one shoe came unglued from the shoe within 10 seconds of starting.

Make sense?

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 6:06 PM   
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This is my Rampage experience in pictures... We had photographers take almost 1,000 photos of all of our cars for the video shoot. This is the ONLY picture they got of my Rampage before it broke.



After the Rampage broke, look what I did to my Bajas. What I am saying is, I can't even get my Rampage to go reliably in a circle in the flat dirt!!! Comparatively, I beat the living tar out of my mostly stock 5T. It is night and day how much more reliable the 5T is.







Do you see what I am saying? I have very capable 1/5 scale platforms. Why do I spend any more time on one that can't give me this kind of performance and fun? My 5T broke one lower rear shock mount after just beating it senselessly for hours. The Rampage couldn't even begin to handle the abuse I put the HPI Bajas through.

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 6:11 PM   
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So, I can repair the screw and make some more changes. But then the next thing will come along. And the next thing. And the next thing. I know I have come a long way with the Rampage, and I am sure the new owner can make it right, but I am just done with it. I want to take my cars out, I want to beat them and I want to run them for long periods of time with minimal problems. I know this nirvana exists because I have achieved it with another platform.

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 6:19 PM   
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You get what you pay for as they say. The very few Redcat products Ive seen kickin around here have proven to be absolute garbage and 100% unreliable. Steering knuckles(and transmission shaft bearings) seem to be the recurring issue here locally with the 2 Redcat owners I know. Nutech and more specifically HPI make a much better 1/5th scale product. Can't wait for the Baja Shortcourse SS kit to come out. Im on board for one of those.

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You get what you pay for as they say. The very few Redcat products Ive seen kickin around here have proven to be absolute garbage and 100% unreliable. Steering knuckles(and transmission shaft bearings) seem to be the recurring issue here locally with the 2 Redcat owners I know. Nutech and more specifically HPI make a much better 1/5th scale product. Can't wait for the Baja Shortcourse SS kit to come out. Im on board for one of those.

how much does nutech pay you?

But Dale sure another problem will come a long but but a set screw is so minor. But I also understand what you are saying and how you feel. We have all owned a product (known to be good or bad) that may have just been a bad apple or was just plagued with problems. It is a real downer and sometimes you just feel like there is no point to keep on going. Who knows maybe if you give a week or two you might give it another chance. But out of curiosity how much are you selling it for? (or is it sold aready?)
I might not mind adding a modded/built rampage to my fleet.

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Sorry to hear that Dale, I wish I had the extra cash cause id buy that Rampage from you. But right now money for me is so tight I may have to do the unthinkable (at least as far as im concerned) and sell my Ramp too. I have had my fair share of problems with my truck as well but thats been the case with any R/C I have owned, ive never been lucky enough to own the perfect indestructable R/C car. It will be a sad day for me to have to sell mine if it comes to that.

Good luck Dale hopefully you get what your looking for when you sell your truck.

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/13/2011 9:41 PM   
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This is not a debate thread. Guys, out of respect please move your side discussions elsewhere. Do not derail this thread any further.

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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/14/2011 4:34 AM   
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I got it back to the way I am going to sell it. I am going to try and sell locally first. If I don't get bites locally, I am going to put it in the marketplace here.

Looks good with that body I painted a ways back.



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RE: Redcat Racing Rampage MT V3- Let's review UPDATE: ... - 2/14/2011 6:46 AM   
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Here is a quick overview of the screw mod for the front/rear suspension arm holders for each diff for those that don't know. The idea behind the mod is pretty sound. Basically, the Rampage relies on 4 diff screws to pretty much absorb a lot of shock of the suspension. The stock plastic suspension arm holders (illustration below) use plastic pins to locate the holders on the chassis. Someone found that by screwing the suspension arm holders to the chassis instead of using pins, the diff cases aren't as subject to as much shock from the suspension and help prevent breakage.



The first step is to drill through the existing chassis holes that position the front/rear suspension arm holders onto the chassis. I used a drill bit size to allow a 10/24 size screw to pass through (right around 5mm). Then you need to counter sink the screws and use counter sink fasteners so the bottom of the chassis stays smooth.

This is what my chassis looked like when I drilled the 4.



This is a close up of the screws passing through the rear suspension arm holder with nuts holding them on the other side. The 10/24 fasteners are right about an inch in length. Note, while you can get nuts over the screws with the steering setup in place, it is FRUSTRATING. I recommend pulling the steering plate and the whole steering assembly out for this.



This is a shot of the front suspension arm holder screwed down.



Note that I did end up cutting off the V3 ears from the chassis to clear the V1 suspension arms. I am going to use limiting straps instead. I think this will be easier on the chassis and gear case by not relying on those parts to limit maximum suspension travel.


good idea, i will try follow your picture....





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